lol@ people not voting for ron paul because he is against abortion. thats like if i shoved a gun in your faced and you said "hold on let me fix my hair". jesus christ people, we are in a complete mess and people are worrying about the stupidest little things. lets get this debt and these wars taken care of and then we can worry about things like gay marriage or abortion
[QUOTE="Vuurk"] Everyone has the right to life. How can you take away someone's right to life? No one's rights trumps anyone else's. We all have equal rights. Vuurk
The problem here, however, is that there is an inherant clash of rights. So who's rights have priority?
The right to life trumps all. Take responsibility for your actions. Do not take away someone's right to life because of your life choices. And in the case of others' choices (rape) or where the rights to life do or potentially conflict (mother's life is endangered taking the pregnancy to term)?
[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="Vuurk"] I know what Roe v. Wade is. What does that have to do with my point?Vuurk
The fact that the unborn do not have rights that supersede the already born. Ridiculous way of thinking. Vuurk, i thought you loved and protected the constitution from all those big government liberals?
Why turn your back on it now by calling it 'ridiculous way of thinking'?
[QUOTE="Vuurk"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="Vuurk"] The right to life trumps all. Based on...?? So progressive of you to think that killing an innocent is acceptable... Oh alright, so you're not basing any of this off of anything substantial but rather on cheap appeals to emotion. Not surprising.
lol@ people not voting for ron paul because he is against abortion. thats like if i shoved a gun in your faced and you said "hold on let me fix my hair". jesus christ people, we are in a complete mess and people are worrying about the stupidest little things. lets get this debt and these wars taken care of and then we can worry about things like gay marriage or abortionmingmao3046
Reproductive rights and minority rights are not trivial matters, dipsh!t.
[QUOTE="mingmao3046"]lol@ people not voting for ron paul because he is against abortion. thats like if i shoved a gun in your faced and you said "hold on let me fix my hair". jesus christ people, we are in a complete mess and people are worrying about the stupidest little things. lets get this debt and these wars taken care of and then we can worry about things like gay marriage or abortionghoklebutter
Reproductive rights and minority rights are not trivial matters.There's also the little matter of assuming that Ron Paul's fiscal policies would "fix" the economy/government.
[QUOTE="mingmao3046"]lol@ people not voting for ron paul because he is against abortion. thats like if i shoved a gun in your faced and you said "hold on let me fix my hair". jesus christ people, we are in a complete mess and people are worrying about the stupidest little things. lets get this debt and these wars taken care of and then we can worry about things like gay marriage or abortionghoklebutter
Reproductive rights and minority rights are not trivial matters, dipsh!t. abortion - take the damn morning after pill. if you still screw that up, go to a state where abortion is legal gay marriage - wtf is the rush for marriage? they can still be together. maybe not ideal for taxes, but marriage wont change anything
[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"][QUOTE="mingmao3046"]lol@ people not voting for ron paul because he is against abortion. thats like if i shoved a gun in your faced and you said "hold on let me fix my hair". jesus christ people, we are in a complete mess and people are worrying about the stupidest little things. lets get this debt and these wars taken care of and then we can worry about things like gay marriage or abortionmattbbpl
Reproductive rights and minority rights are not trivial matters.There's also the little matter of assuming that Ron Paul's fiscal policies would "fix" the economy/government. they are a heck of alot better than obama trying to spend his way out of a recession, as his pal bernanke sends out trillions in secret bailouts all over the globe
[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"][QUOTE="mingmao3046"]lol@ people not voting for ron paul because he is against abortion. thats like if i shoved a gun in your faced and you said "hold on let me fix my hair". jesus christ people, we are in a complete mess and people are worrying about the stupidest little things. lets get this debt and these wars taken care of and then we can worry about things like gay marriage or abortionmingmao3046
Reproductive rights and minority rights are not trivial matters, dipsh!t. abortion - take the damn morning after pill. if you still screw that up, go to a state where abortion is legal gay marriage - wtf is the rush for marriage? they can still be together. maybe not ideal for taxes, but marriage wont change anything p. sure thats how abortion was legalized in the first place. The mom couldn't afford to go to the nearest state that was legalized. ERGO, people are poor in this country and cant afford to go to the nearest state.
He sucks at economic policy but I agree completely in foreign policy. I guess that's why many non-americans are in his favor. He's potentially harmful mainly for the US but not for the rest of the world like other US presidents lately have been.
[QUOTE="mingmao3046"][QUOTE="ghoklebutter"] Reproductive rights and minority rights are not trivial matters, dipsh!t.DroidPhysX
abortion - take the damn morning after pill. if you still screw that up, go to a state where abortion is legal gay marriage - wtf is the rush for marriage? they can still be together. maybe not ideal for taxes, but marriage wont change anything p. sure thats how abortion was legalized in the first place. The mom couldn't afford to go to the nearest state that was legalized. ERGO, people are poor in this country and cant afford to go to the nearest state. then maybe they should have used condoms? seriously if abortion and gay marriage are your number 1 issues here i am done. this is ridiculous.
[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"][QUOTE="mingmao3046"]lol@ people not voting for ron paul because he is against abortion. thats like if i shoved a gun in your faced and you said "hold on let me fix my hair". jesus christ people, we are in a complete mess and people are worrying about the stupidest little things. lets get this debt and these wars taken care of and then we can worry about things like gay marriage or abortionmingmao3046
Reproductive rights and minority rights are not trivial matters, dipsh!t. abortion - take the damn morning after pill. if you still screw that up, go to a state where abortion is legal gay marriage - wtf is the rush for marriage? they can still be together. maybe not ideal for taxes, but marriage wont change anything lol, not everyone can just move to another state so easily. It's not as simple as you think, you moron. As for gay marriage, marriage may be silly, but there's no good reason why gay people still aren't allowed to marry in many states.
[QUOTE="mingmao3046"] abortion - take the damn morning after pill. if you still screw that up, go to a state where abortion is legal gay marriage - wtf is the rush for marriage? they can still be together. maybe not ideal for taxes, but marriage wont change anythingmingmao3046
p. sure thats how abortion was legalized in the first place. The mom couldn't afford to go to the nearest state that was legalized. ERGO, people are poor in this country and cant afford to go to the nearest state. then maybe they should have used condoms? seriously if abortion and gay marriage are your number 1 issues here i am done. this is ridiculous. They are not number 1 issues. But they are still important. That they aren't necessarily top priority doesn't make them unimportant, sweetie.
[QUOTE="mingmao3046"] abortion - take the damn morning after pill. if you still screw that up, go to a state where abortion is legal gay marriage - wtf is the rush for marriage? they can still be together. maybe not ideal for taxes, but marriage wont change anythingmingmao3046
p. sure thats how abortion was legalized in the first place. The mom couldn't afford to go to the nearest state that was legalized. ERGO, people are poor in this country and cant afford to go to the nearest state. then maybe they should have used condoms? seriously if abortion and gay marriage are your number 1 issues here i am done. this is ridiculous.
You're the only one who's brought up gay marriage so far.
[QUOTE="mingmao3046"] abortion - take the damn morning after pill. if you still screw that up, go to a state where abortion is legal gay marriage - wtf is the rush for marriage? they can still be together. maybe not ideal for taxes, but marriage wont change anythingmingmao3046
p. sure thats how abortion was legalized in the first place. The mom couldn't afford to go to the nearest state that was legalized. ERGO, people are poor in this country and cant afford to go to the nearest state. then maybe they should have used condoms? seriously if abortion and gay marriage are your number 1 issues here i am done. this is ridiculous. Thank you captain hindsight. Please forfeit your rights to your respective state on aisle 3.
[QUOTE="Vuurk"][QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]Reading this thread, it's hard to take mingmao and Vuurk seriously as libertarians when you look at what they say about social issues.] There are MANY pro-life libertarians. You can keep being close minded as hell though. It sounds like you're a quasi states rights conservative-libertarian.
Reading this thread, it's hard to take mingmao and Vuurk seriously as libertarians when you look at what they say about social issues.chessmaster1989
i actually am pro choice and support gay marriage rights. however unlike you people, these are not my top issues. I like how ron paul will bring home all the troops, actually do something about this debt, and put a cap on the evil federal reserve.
[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]Reading this thread, it's hard to take mingmao and Vuurk seriously as libertarians when you look at what they say about social issues.mingmao3046
i actually am pro choice and support gay marriage rights. however unlike you people, these are not my top issues. I like how ron paul will bring home all the troops, actually do something about this debt, and put a cap on the evil federal reserve. That's the problem. He won't do anything about any of those. The president is not the sole decider, this is not a dictatorship. Paul will have no hope getting his radical ideas through Congress.
[QUOTE="mingmao3046"][QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]Reading this thread, it's hard to take mingmao and Vuurk seriously as libertarians when you look at what they say about social issues.SF_KiLLaMaN
i actually am pro choice and support gay marriage rights. however unlike you people, these are not my top issues. I like how ron paul will bring home all the troops, actually do something about this debt, and put a cap on the evil federal reserve. That's the problem. He won't do anything about any of those. The president is not the sole decider, this is not a dictatorship. Paul will have no hope getting his radical ideas through Congress. what part of commander in cheif dont you understand? he has direct control of troops. he could bring them all back on day 1
[QUOTE="mingmao3046"][QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]Reading this thread, it's hard to take mingmao and Vuurk seriously as libertarians when you look at what they say about social issues.Vuurk
i actually am pro choice and support gay marriage rights. however unlike you people, these are not my top issues. I like how ron paul will bring home all the troops, actually do something about this debt, and put a cap on the evil federal reserve. I agree. Gay marriage and abortion are very minor issues in the regard to the overall well-being of our country. LIBERTY FOR ALL*! *where 'all' means 'the set of demographics to which i personally belong'
Keep justifying murdering a human if that's what you need to do to sleep at night. Do you use this reasoning when advocating for pseudo free market health care knowing hospitals can effectively kill humans by turning them down if they don't have insurance?
[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="Vuurk"] So progressive of you to think that killing an innocent is acceptable...Vuurk
Oh alright, so you're not basing any of this off of anything substantial but rather on cheap appeals to emotion. Not surprising. I'm supposed to provide evidence that an individual has the right to life? Are you f*cking kidding me? What next? You need me to provide evidence that humans don't deserve to have their eyeballs gouged out? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhUNrpX8Rx4&feature=player_detailpage#t=16s
[QUOTE="Vuurk"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Vuurk"] I agree. Gay marriage and abortion are very minor issues in the regard to the overall well-being of our country. LIBERTY FOR ALL*! *where 'all' means 'the set of demographics to which i personally belong' No. gtfo your jimmies status [ ] not rustled [x] rustled hit a nerve? ;D
[QUOTE="mingmao3046"][QUOTE="SF_KiLLaMaN"][QUOTE="mingmao3046"] i actually am pro choice and support gay marriage rights. however unlike you people, these are not my top issues. I like how ron paul will bring home all the troops, actually do something about this debt, and put a cap on the evil federal reserve. That's the problem. He won't do anything about any of those. The president is not the sole decider, this is not a dictatorship. Paul will have no hope getting his radical ideas through Congress. what part of commander in cheif dont you understand? he has direct control of troops. he could bring them all back on day 1 Which would be impossible. We have too much stuff over there to withdraw troop in anything less than 6 months. Not to mention that would be an awful decision for our national interests.
[QUOTE="Vuurk"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] Oh alright, so you're not basing any of this off of anything substantial but rather on cheap appeals to emotion. Not surprising. -Sun_Tzu-
I'm supposed to provide evidence that an individual has the right to life? Are you f*cking kidding me? What next? You need me to provide evidence that humans don't deserve to have their eyeballs gouged out? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhUNrpX8Rx4&feature=player_detailpage#t=16s LOL
[QUOTE="SF_KiLLaMaN"][QUOTE="mingmao3046"][QUOTE="SF_KiLLaMaN"] That's the problem. He won't do anything about any of those. The president is not the sole decider, this is not a dictatorship. Paul will have no hope getting his radical ideas through Congress. what part of commander in cheif dont you understand? he has direct control of troops. he could bring them all back on day 1 Which would be impossible. We have too much stuff over there to withdraw troop in anything less than 6 months. Not to mention that would be an awful decision for our national interests. hahahaha. you honestly think we should be over there bombing people and nation building?
[QUOTE="mingmao3046"][QUOTE="SF_KiLLaMaN"][QUOTE="mingmao3046"] what part of commander in cheif dont you understand? he has direct control of troops. he could bring them all back on day 1 Which would be impossible. We have too much stuff over there to withdraw troop in anything less than 6 months. Not to mention that would be an awful decision for our national interests. hahahaha. you honestly think we should be over there bombing people and nation building? How did you get that out of my post? Of course I don't think we should be bombing people but if those people are threatening us, then yeah, bomb the sh*t outta them. As far as nation building goes, we already started, no reason to stop. I'd like to think the U.S. has some integrity. You don't just abandon your allies. I'm anti-war as much as anyone, but you can't quit halfway through, things will turn out worse that way.
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