Why Marijuana SHOULDN'T Be Legal

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#201 quatoe
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[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]

[QUOTE="MoetWitMedusa"]

you aint gonna go to jail man its practiclay legal here already. legalization is terrible becasue of the cost.

Legalizing weed is going to bring DOWN the cost. An ounce of Pot costs more than pretty much anything on Earth per weight, even more than gold and more than a ton of corn. The reason being that it's illegal. The black market artificially inflates the price past what it would be in a free market where supply/demand and the advent of mass production would naturally settle it.

Holy crap! You guys have to pay over $1000 for an ounce of weed? :o

Where I live an ounce is 240 $
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#203 jimmyjammer69
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[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]

Legalizing weed is going to bring DOWN the cost. An ounce of Pot costs more than pretty much anything on Earth per weight, even more than gold and more than a ton of corn. The reason being that it's illegal. The black market artificially inflates the price past what it would be in a free market where supply/demand and the advent of mass production would naturally settle it.

quatoe

Holy crap! You guys have to pay over $1000 for an ounce of weed? :o

Where I live an ounce is 240 $

That sounds more reasonable. An ounce of gold currently costs $1360. An ounce of *quality* bud would probably set you back close to $400 in the Netherlands, a country where it's semi-legal, and that's without factoring tax into the equation.

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#204 jimmyjammer69
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[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]

Legalizing weed is going to bring DOWN the cost. An ounce of Pot costs more than pretty much anything on Earth per weight, even more than gold and more than a ton of corn. The reason being that it's illegal. The black market artificially inflates the price past what it would be in a free market where supply/demand and the advent of mass production would naturally settle it.

Ramen1020

Holy crap! You guys have to pay over $1000 for an ounce of weed? :o

Sadly, yes.

What are the prices in your area? (assuming it's legal where you live)

I honestly don't know. I do know that friends were kind of taken aback by the high weed and hash prices in Amsterdam, though.

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#205 quatoe
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[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]

[QUOTE="quatoe"][QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]Holy crap! You guys have to pay over $1000 for an ounce of weed? :o

Where I live an ounce is 240 $

That sounds more reasonable. An ounce of gold currently costs $1360. An ounce of *quality* bud would probably set you back close to $400 in the Netherlands, a country where it's semi-legal, and that's without factoring tax into the equation.

$240 is the street price for an ounce. For medicinal marijuana I have no idea for how much it is, but $400 for good bud is a pretty decent price.
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#206 jimmyjammer69
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[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]

[QUOTE="quatoe"] Where I live an ounce is 240 $quatoe

That sounds more reasonable. An ounce of gold currently costs $1360. An ounce of *quality* bud would probably set you back close to $400 in the Netherlands, a country where it's semi-legal, and that's without factoring tax into the equation.

$240 is the street price for an ounce. For medicinal marijuana I have no idea for how much it is, but $400 for good bud is a pretty decent price.

Yeah, don't quote me on that though. It's a conservative estimate, based on this and common sense. I guess gram by gram, the figure is closer to $1000.

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#207 garathe_den
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Ok, first before I start, I am not positive either way. I go back and forth. But I believe no it shouldn't here's why.

If marijuana was to become legal, it would be run by tobacco companies, increasing amount of daily users, and users who will use it like cigarretes. They are worse for you than cigarretes. But they are sort of better, due to the fact that they aren't as addictive.

If it were to become legal, what do you think drug dealers would do? Give up? No, I say this: the people who sell drugs will push to sell harder dangerous drugs such as crack, and heroin, among other things. Not only that but marijuana does impact your thinking and motor skills.

I also think that they would increase in crimes, robbery ETC... To make the money.

Here's my solution. Keep it illegall. The only problem is illegall marijuana could be dangerous. People have been known to have seizures. So my advice? Stay away from Mary Jane.

dunl12496

Seizures would occur if you have a certain illness which would not mesh well with marijuana. The problem with marijuana is that dealers could put any old thing in it, such as fly spray or even cocaine/meth to make you think you "need" the marijuana when you only "need" the cocaine/meth/etc. Pure marijuana is not even half as bad.

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#208 quatoe
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[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]

[QUOTE="quatoe"][QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]That sounds more reasonable. An ounce of gold currently costs $1360. An ounce of *quality* bud would probably set you back close to $400 in the Netherlands, a country where it's semi-legal, and that's without factoring tax into the equation.

$240 is the street price for an ounce. For medicinal marijuana I have no idea for how much it is, but $400 for good bud is a pretty decent price.

Yeah, don't quote me on that though. It's a conservative estimate, based on this and common sense. I guess gram by gram, the figure is closer to $1000.

Where I am gram by gram would be $275 for street price.
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#209 DudeNtheRoom
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Reasons why it SHOULD be LEGAL:

- It's no ones right to tell another person they can or cannot put a near harmless substance in their body. Some ppl might just say it shouldn't be legal for the fact they might be bitter.

- It's not addictive. I know. I use to smoke it and quit back in 2000.

- It has relaxing effects that would make many ppl less agitated and so on.

- It would be one less thing for drug trafficers to utilize for income.

- personally, I think America would be a happier place.

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#210 HoolaHoopMan
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[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]

[QUOTE="MoetWitMedusa"]

you aint gonna go to jail man its practiclay legal here already. legalization is terrible becasue of the cost.

jimmyjammer69

Legalizing weed is going to bring DOWN the cost. An ounce of Pot costs more than pretty much anything on Earth per weight, even more than gold and more than a ton of corn. The reason being that it's illegal. The black market artificially inflates the price past what it would be in a free market where supply/demand and the advent of mass production would naturally settle it.

Holy crap! You guys have to pay over $1000 for an ounce of weed? :o

My bad, I guess not as much as Gold, but in comparison to other goods its ridiculous in price. Depends on the grade, it can be between 300-900.

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#211 paradigm68
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The government could stop bowing to the paper companies, make pot legal (the affects are much much less worse then tobacco and alcohol) tax it, get money for the country, make jobs and more.
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#212 Morphic
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The only thing it would do is give the economy more money coming in.

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#213 lawlnametaken
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Reasons why it SHOULD be LEGAL:

- It's no ones right to tell another person they can or cannot put a near harmless substance in their body. Some ppl might just say it shouldn't be legal for the fact they might be bitter.

- It's not addictive. I know. I use to smoke it and quit back in 2000.

- It has relaxing effects that would make many ppl less agitated and so on.

- It would be one less thing for drug trafficers to utilize for income.

- personally, I think America would be a happier place.

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is cheesy as the last point is I believe it pot is very social (or can be) and generally pot smokers are the nicest guys/gals around. I'll always share my bud and help out a stranger
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#214 Coffee_Blade
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weed is like catnip for people. its completely fine. Stoners don't hurt anyone
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#215 mrbojangles25
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[QUOTE="MoetWitMedusa"]

you aint gonna go to jail man its practiclay legal here already. legalization is terrible becasue of the cost.

HoolaHoopMan

Legalizing weed is going to bring DOWN the cost. An ounce of Pot costs more than pretty much anything on Earth per weight, even more than gold and more than a ton of corn. The reason being that it's illegal. The black market artificially inflates the price past what it would be in a free market where supply/demand and the advent of mass production would naturally settle it.

actually one of the arguments against legalization is that, if legalized, they'd put like a 50 dollar per ounce tax on it, plus the cost of the product itself.

Still, considering the cost of pot now, I don't see how it would be more expensive if legal.

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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

People flip flop like crazy on this website.

surrealnumber5

I'd like to know what exactly he means by "interventionist".

an interventionist is one that wants intervention from a authority as a norm this role is filled by the government but it may also be filled by other figureheads such as a parent or even a deity

Right, because we all know that if you want government intervention in any capacity and in any area that automatically means you want it in EVERY area to its full capacity. If you take that to its logical conclusion then everyone is either a facist or an anarchist, which is obviously not the case. In fact, I've run into far more people who professed to be against government intervention who are against legalization than people who have supported government intervention and are against it.

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#217 HoolaHoopMan
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[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]

[QUOTE="MoetWitMedusa"]

you aint gonna go to jail man its practiclay legal here already. legalization is terrible becasue of the cost.

mrbojangles25

Legalizing weed is going to bring DOWN the cost. An ounce of Pot costs more than pretty much anything on Earth per weight, even more than gold and more than a ton of corn. The reason being that it's illegal. The black market artificially inflates the price past what it would be in a free market where supply/demand and the advent of mass production would naturally settle it.

actually one of the arguments against legalization is that, if legalized, they'd put like a 50 dollar per ounce tax on it, plus the cost of the product itself.

Still, considering the cost of pot now, I don't see how it would be more expensive if legal.

Even with a tax it would be lower if legalized and regulated. The reason why it's so expensive now is because OF it's illegality. It can't be mass produced to the extent as if it were legal. You also have too many middle men in selling it along with trying to launder money around. All of this jacks the price up so absurd amounts. If it were legal you could cut out many of the middle men and mass produce the product. Agro companies could raise it the same way they do with any crop.

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#218 TheMightyHoov
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Car crashes often involve alcohol. The last thing we need is a bunch of high people driving on the roads too.

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#219 Danm_999
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Car crashes often involve alcohol. The last thing we need is a bunch of high people driving on the roads too.

TheMightyHoov
If the goal is to reduce road accidents, a society should move towards prohibition towards alcohol, as well as a ban on cell phones, driving while fatigued, and talking to other passagers while driving. But society doesn't, because it doesn't base the legality of something on the possibility it will be abused.
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#220 RACiEP
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Seizures would occur if you have a certain illness which would not mesh well with marijuana. The problem with marijuana is that dealers could put any old thing in it, such as fly spray or even cocaine/meth to make you think you "need" the marijuana when you only "need" the cocaine/meth/etc. Pure marijuana is not even half as bad.

garathe_den

This is a prime reason why it should be legal. The government should be able to regulate it like they do with alcohol to ensure the safety of the users. Personally, I've never done any drugs, but from what I've seen on Wikipedia, marijuana is not nearly as bad as alcohol. So why is alcohol legal? Should we ban that too? No, that already happened and turned out horribly, I might add.

The main dangers of marijuana use are lung damage (only when you smoke it, obviously) and slight risk of developing schizophrenia later in life.

Now, with all that being said... medical marijuana should at least be legal. There are so many people who are in pain from terminal conditions, only to have to suffer through it until the end. Why not let them feel better by giving them marijuana? It seems like giving them marijuana would only be an ethical decision.

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#221 TheMightyHoov
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[QUOTE="TheMightyHoov"]

Car crashes often involve alcohol. The last thing we need is a bunch of high people driving on the roads too.

Danm_999

If the goal is to reduce road accidents, a society should move towards prohibition towards alcohol, as well as a ban on cell phones, driving while fatigued, and talking to other passagers while driving. But society doesn't, because it doesn't base the legality of something on the possibility it will be abused.

I will tell you what. If the country can show me they can control alcohol abuse, I will support legalization of marijuana.

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#222 TheMightyHoov
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[QUOTE="garathe_den"]

Seizures would occur if you have a certain illness which would not mesh well with marijuana. The problem with marijuana is that dealers could put any old thing in it, such as fly spray or even cocaine/meth to make you think you "need" the marijuana when you only "need" the cocaine/meth/etc. Pure marijuana is not even half as bad.

RACiEP

This is a prime reason why it should be legal. The government should be able to regulate it like they do with alcohol to ensure the safety of the users. Personally, I've never done any drugs, but from what I've seen on Wikipedia, marijuana is not nearly as bad as alcohol. So why is alcohol legal? Should we ban that too? No, that already happened and turned out horribly, I might add.

The main dangers of marijuana use are lung damage (only when you smoke it, obviously) and slight risk of developing schizophrenia later in life.

Now, with all that being said... medical marijuana should at least be legal. There are so many people who are in pain from terminal conditions, only to have to suffer through it until the end. Why not let them feel better by giving them marijuana? It seems like giving them marijuana would only be an ethical decision.

Or maybe other painkillers?

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#223 Danm_999
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[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="TheMightyHoov"]

Car crashes often involve alcohol. The last thing we need is a bunch of high people driving on the roads too.

TheMightyHoov

If the goal is to reduce road accidents, a society should move towards prohibition towards alcohol, as well as a ban on cell phones, driving while fatigued, and talking to other passagers while driving. But society doesn't, because it doesn't base the legality of something on the possibility it will be abused.

I will tell you what. If the country can show me they can control alcohol abuse, I will support legalization of marijuana.

I don't understand the logic of that, unless you're suggesting that the same people who would smoke marijuana are currently drink drivers and alcoholics?
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#224 TheMightyHoov
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[QUOTE="TheMightyHoov"]

[QUOTE="Danm_999"] If the goal is to reduce road accidents, a society should move towards prohibition towards alcohol, as well as a ban on cell phones, driving while fatigued, and talking to other passagers while driving. But society doesn't, because it doesn't base the legality of something on the possibility it will be abused.Danm_999

I will tell you what. If the country can show me they can control alcohol abuse, I will support legalization of marijuana.

I don't understand the logic of that, unless you're suggesting that the same people who would smoke marijuana are currently drink drivers and alcoholics?

By "they" I was referring to the government. Not the smokers

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#225 RACiEP
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[QUOTE="RACiEP"]

[QUOTE="garathe_den"]

Seizures would occur if you have a certain illness which would not mesh well with marijuana. The problem with marijuana is that dealers could put any old thing in it, such as fly spray or even cocaine/meth to make you think you "need" the marijuana when you only "need" the cocaine/meth/etc. Pure marijuana is not even half as bad.

TheMightyHoov

This is a prime reason why it should be legal. The government should be able to regulate it like they do with alcohol to ensure the safety of the users. Personally, I've never done any drugs, but from what I've seen on Wikipedia, marijuana is not nearly as bad as alcohol. So why is alcohol legal? Should we ban that too? No, that already happened and turned out horribly, I might add.

The main dangers of marijuana use are lung damage (only when you smoke it, obviously) and slight risk of developing schizophrenia later in life.

Now, with all that being said... medical marijuana should at least be legal. There are so many people who are in pain from terminal conditions, only to have to suffer through it until the end. Why not let them feel better by giving them marijuana? It seems like giving them marijuana would only be an ethical decision.

Or maybe other painkillers?

That's actually a huge problem. Most painkillers have numerous unwanted side effects and it can be hard to come by ones that are powerful enough to do the job without hurting the patient.

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#226 Danm_999
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[QUOTE="RACiEP"]

[QUOTE="garathe_den"]

Seizures would occur if you have a certain illness which would not mesh well with marijuana. The problem with marijuana is that dealers could put any old thing in it, such as fly spray or even cocaine/meth to make you think you "need" the marijuana when you only "need" the cocaine/meth/etc. Pure marijuana is not even half as bad.

TheMightyHoov

This is a prime reason why it should be legal. The government should be able to regulate it like they do with alcohol to ensure the safety of the users. Personally, I've never done any drugs, but from what I've seen on Wikipedia, marijuana is not nearly as bad as alcohol. So why is alcohol legal? Should we ban that too? No, that already happened and turned out horribly, I might add.

The main dangers of marijuana use are lung damage (only when you smoke it, obviously) and slight risk of developing schizophrenia later in life.

Now, with all that being said... medical marijuana should at least be legal. There are so many people who are in pain from terminal conditions, only to have to suffer through it until the end. Why not let them feel better by giving them marijuana? It seems like giving them marijuana would only be an ethical decision.

Or maybe other painkillers?

Other painkillers are not always as effective as marijuana though. Nerve injuries for example are hard to treat with even strong painkillers, like morphine, but not marijuana. Not to mention many painkillers are as dangerous (or arguably more given how addictive they can be). As to your previous argument, someone on painkillers is hardly safe to drive around either.
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#227 Danm_999
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[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="TheMightyHoov"]

I will tell you what. If the country can show me they can control alcohol abuse, I will support legalization of marijuana.

TheMightyHoov

I don't understand the logic of that, unless you're suggesting that the same people who would smoke marijuana are currently drink drivers and alcoholics?

By "they" I was referring to the government. Not the smokers

The government will never be able to control alcohol abuse, no matter what it does. It even failed during prohibition.
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#228 TheMightyHoov
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[QUOTE="TheMightyHoov"]

[QUOTE="Danm_999"] I don't understand the logic of that, unless you're suggesting that the same people who would smoke marijuana are currently drink drivers and alcoholics?Danm_999

By "they" I was referring to the government. Not the smokers

The government will never be able to control alcohol abuse, no matter what it does. It even failed during prohibition.

Exactly, I just see more people being hurt if it is released to the masses for reasons other than medical needs.

And all in the name of self gratification (excluding patients)

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#229 BMD004
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I personally think it should be legal. I have never nor wil I ever smoke, and I don't think it's good to smoke marijuana, but who is the government to tell people if they can or cannot smoke a plant on their own personal time.

Think about it the same way you would think about alcohol.

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#230 worlock77
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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

People flip flop like crazy on this website.

surrealnumber5

I'd like to know what exactly he means by "interventionist".

an interventionist is one that wants intervention from a authority as a norm this role is filled by the government but it may also be filled by other figureheads such as a parent or even a deity

Ok, and you get this impression of me for what reason? I fully believe that consenting adults should be at liberty to do whatever their wish in regards to their own lives and bodies (providing that in doing so they do not infringe upon the rights of others.

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[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]

[QUOTE="MoetWitMedusa"]

you aint gonna go to jail man its practiclay legal here already. legalization is terrible becasue of the cost.

mrbojangles25

Legalizing weed is going to bring DOWN the cost. An ounce of Pot costs more than pretty much anything on Earth per weight, even more than gold and more than a ton of corn. The reason being that it's illegal. The black market artificially inflates the price past what it would be in a free market where supply/demand and the advent of mass production would naturally settle it.

actually one of the arguments against legalization is that, if legalized, they'd put like a 50 dollar per ounce tax on it, plus the cost of the product itself.

Still, considering the cost of pot now, I don't see how it would be more expensive if legal.

That doesn't mean there wouldn't be places where you could buy it for much less. It doesn't cost much to grow weed, and anyone can do it - the price argument going against it is silly I think.
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#232 worlock77
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Car crashes often involve alcohol. The last thing we need is a bunch of high people driving on the roads too.

TheMightyHoov

Got news for you: people who are inclined to drive while high already do so. Making it legal isn't going to increase that.

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#233 Thessassin
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[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="TheMightyHoov"]

By "they" I was referring to the government. Not the smokers

TheMightyHoov

The government will never be able to control alcohol abuse, no matter what it does. It even failed during prohibition.

Exactly, I just see more people being hurt if it is released to the masses for reasons other than medical needs.

And all in the name of self gratification (excluding patients)

Hurt how?

And of course its for the sake of self gratification, what is wrong with self gratification?

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#234 -Toshy-
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Exactly, I just see more people being hurt if it is released to the masses for reasons other than medical needs.

And all in the name of self gratification (excluding patients)TheMightyHoov
Are you saying that people with perhaps weaker immune systems are allowed to use it but it's too dangerous for healthy people?
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#235 freek666
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They are worse for you than cigarretes.

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Yeah, nah.

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#236 TINYOWNSYOU
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Ok, first before I start, I am not positive either way. I go back and forth. But I believe no it shouldn't here's why.

If marijuana was to become legal, it would be run by tobacco companies, increasing amount of daily users, and users who will use it like cigarretes. They are worse for you than cigarretes. But they are sort of better, due to the fact that they aren't as addictive.

If it were to become legal, what do you think drug dealers would do? Give up? No, I say this: the people who sell drugs will push to sell harder dangerous drugs such as crack, and heroin, among other things. Not only that but marijuana does impact your thinking and motor skills.

I also think that they would increase in crimes, robbery ETC... To make the money.

Here's my solution. Keep it illegall. The only problem is illegall marijuana could be dangerous. People have been known to have seizures. So my advice? Stay away from Mary Jane.

Edit: Please note I go back and forth. These are just reasons it shouldn't be legal.

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This, and it causes erectile dysfunction.

Just sayin'.

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#237 XxspritexX
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"Nobody cares about your dumb false information some idiot told you at your school's DARE meeting about how one puff of marijuana will make you rape your dog and kill your parents and shoot crack cocaine into your eyeballs." Just saying.
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#238 DudeNtheRoom
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Once again, it seems the ppl who are against it have no idea what they are talking about.
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#239 quatoe
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Once again, it seems the ppl who are against it have no idea what they are talking about. DudeNtheRoom
You hit the nail on head man.
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#240 carlandcarl
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Once again, it seems the ppl who are against it have no idea what they are talking about. DudeNtheRoom

Truth. I studied for my Theory of Knowledge class whether it is ethical to legalize marijuana, it was EXTREMELY hard to find reasons why it shouldn't be legalized

You can't possibly overdose from Marijuana, it is said that you have to smoke 800 joints to overdose at which point you have already died from the actual smoke, not the marijuana

Also Alcohol and Tobacco are far worse for your body then Marijuana, so why aren't they Illegal? Driving while high? are you kidding me, people drink and drive which is far worse for your visions and basic thinking skills. So driving high can't be used as a viable argument or again Alcohol would be illegal.

Hemp as well, is one of the most effecient natural resources, it grows quickly and is a strong material that can used for a variety of things.

America has a crap load of debt at the moment and is increasingly loosing money as the days go buy, if America Legalized it, regulated it and taxed it, they would be able to help their economy. Everyone already smokes weed anyway, why not make a profit out of it and be able to pay for America's health insurance?

This is out of the top of my head so sorry it's not all too accurate but you get the idea,
I don't smoke Marijuana but I don't get why it isn't legal like here in Holland

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#241 quatoe
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[QUOTE="DudeNtheRoom"]Once again, it seems the ppl who are against it have no idea what they are talking about. carlandcarl

Truth. I studied for my Theory of Knowledge class whether it is ethical to legalize marijuana, it was EXTREMELY hard to find reasons why it shouldn't be legalized

You can't possibly overdose from Marijuana, it is said that you have to smoke 800 joints to overdose at which point you have already died from the actual smoke, not the marijuana

Also Alcohol and Tobacco are far worse for your body then Marijuana, so why aren't they Illegal? Driving while high? are you kidding me, people drink and drive which is far worse for your visions and basic thinking skills. So driving high can't be used as a viable argument or again Alcohol would be illegal.

Hemp as well, is one of the most effecient natural resources, it grows quickly and is a strong material that can used for a variety of things.

America has a crap load of debt at the moment and is increasingly loosing money as the days go buy, if America Legalized it, regulated it and taxed it, they would be able to help their economy. Everyone already smokes weed anyway, why not make a profit out of it and be able to pay for America's health insurance?

This is out of the top of my head so sorry it's not all too accurate but you get the idea,
I don't smoke Marijuana but I don't get why it isn't legal like here in Holland

You my friend just posted the best argument here. I can say firsthand that people who drive high do not lose much ability in their motor skills, hell my buddy drives better when he is high. He pays much more attention to the roads, signs and traffic due to being high.

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#242 poptart
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[QUOTE="DudeNtheRoom"]Once again, it seems the ppl who are against it have no idea what they are talking about. carlandcarl

Truth. I studied for my Theory of Knowledge class whether it is ethical to legalize marijuana, it was EXTREMELY hard to find reasons why it shouldn't be legalized

You can't possibly overdose from Marijuana, it is said that you have to smoke 800 joints to overdose at which point you have already died from the actual smoke, not the marijuana

Also Alcohol and Tobacco are far worse for your body then Marijuana, so why aren't they Illegal? Driving while high? are you kidding me, people drink and drive which is far worse for your visions and basic thinking skills. So driving high can't be used as a viable argument or again Alcohol would be illegal.

Hemp as well, is one of the most effecient natural resources, it grows quickly and is a strong material that can used for a variety of things.

America has a crap load of debt at the moment and is increasingly loosing money as the days go buy, if America Legalized it, regulated it and taxed it, they would be able to help their economy. Everyone already smokes weed anyway, why not make a profit out of it and be able to pay for America's health insurance?

This is out of the top of my head so sorry it's not all too accurate but you get the idea,
I don't smoke Marijuana but I don't get why it isn't legal like here in Holland

To play devils advocate they already use hemp for a variety of things, only engineered to take out the THC element. And rather than use a 'well tobacco and alcohol is bad ergo pot should be legalised' standpoint/justification, the statements you use to back this claim could equally be used as an argument for the banning of the former 2 should... Also when people present 'overdose' - or rather the inability to - as an argument for pot, I think just like alcohol the damage caused can be measured in far broader ways than mere fatailities. Just a thought (although I agree with your conclusion)

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#243 poptart
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[QUOTE="carlandcarl"]

[QUOTE="DudeNtheRoom"]Once again, it seems the ppl who are against it have no idea what they are talking about. quatoe

Truth. I studied for my Theory of Knowledge class whether it is ethical to legalize marijuana, it was EXTREMELY hard to find reasons why it shouldn't be legalized

You can't possibly overdose from Marijuana, it is said that you have to smoke 800 joints to overdose at which point you have already died from the actual smoke, not the marijuana

Also Alcohol and Tobacco are far worse for your body then Marijuana, so why aren't they Illegal? Driving while high? are you kidding me, people drink and drive which is far worse for your visions and basic thinking skills. So driving high can't be used as a viable argument or again Alcohol would be illegal.

Hemp as well, is one of the most effecient natural resources, it grows quickly and is a strong material that can used for a variety of things.

America has a crap load of debt at the moment and is increasingly loosing money as the days go buy, if America Legalized it, regulated it and taxed it, they would be able to help their economy. Everyone already smokes weed anyway, why not make a profit out of it and be able to pay for America's health insurance?

This is out of the top of my head so sorry it's not all too accurate but you get the idea,
I don't smoke Marijuana but I don't get why it isn't legal like here in Holland

You my friend just posted the best argument here. I can say firsthand that people who drive high do not lose much ability in their motor skills, hell my buddy drives better when he is high. He pays much more attention to the roads, signs and traffic due to being high.

A couple of heavy bongs and step into the car in rush hour then it can be a long journey. You may be more cautious, but in reality your reaction time slows and if you've really smashed it then you're judgement can be waaaaay out of sync.

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#244 quatoe
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[QUOTE="quatoe"]

[QUOTE="carlandcarl"]

Truth. I studied for my Theory of Knowledge class whether it is ethical to legalize marijuana, it was EXTREMELY hard to find reasons why it shouldn't be legalized

You can't possibly overdose from Marijuana, it is said that you have to smoke 800 joints to overdose at which point you have already died from the actual smoke, not the marijuana

Also Alcohol and Tobacco are far worse for your body then Marijuana, so why aren't they Illegal? Driving while high? are you kidding me, people drink and drive which is far worse for your visions and basic thinking skills. So driving high can't be used as a viable argument or again Alcohol would be illegal.

Hemp as well, is one of the most effecient natural resources, it grows quickly and is a strong material that can used for a variety of things.

America has a crap load of debt at the moment and is increasingly loosing money as the days go buy, if America Legalized it, regulated it and taxed it, they would be able to help their economy. Everyone already smokes weed anyway, why not make a profit out of it and be able to pay for America's health insurance?

This is out of the top of my head so sorry it's not all too accurate but you get the idea,
I don't smoke Marijuana but I don't get why it isn't legal like here in Holland

poptart

You my friend just posted the best argument here. I can say firsthand that people who drive high do not lose much ability in their motor skills, hell my buddy drives better when he is high. He pays much more attention to the roads, signs and traffic due to being high.

A couple of heavy bongs and step into the car in rush hour then it can be a long journey. You may be more cautious, but in reality your reaction time slows and if you've really smashed it then you're judgement can be waaaaay out of sync.

We only drive at night high due to less traffic. We never smoke to actually inhibit ourselves to the point of not knowing the limit and when we do reach that level we step out of the car nd walk around for a few hours. He is also very reckless while sober and much more cautious while high.

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#245 TINYOWNSYOU
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You my friend just posted the best argument here. I can say firsthand that people who drive high do not lose much ability in their motor skills, hell my buddy drives better when he is high. He pays much more attention to the roads, signs and traffic due to being high.

quatoe

Just thinkin' out loud, but if your friend drives better while he's high, praps he shouldn't have a license.

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#246 poptart
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[QUOTE="poptart"]

[QUOTE="quatoe"] You my friend just posted the best argument here. I can say firsthand that people who drive high do not lose much ability in their motor skills, hell my buddy drives better when he is high. He pays much more attention to the roads, signs and traffic due to being high.

quatoe

A couple of heavy bongs and step into the car in rush hour then it can be a long journey. You may be more cautious, but in reality your reaction time slows and if you've really smashed it then you're judgement can be waaaaay out of sync.

We only driveat night high due to less traffic. We never drink to actually inhibit ourselves to the point of not knowing the limit and when we do reach that level we step out of the car nd walk around for a few hours. He is also very reckless while sober and much more cautious while high.

If we replace the substance you're talking about with alcohol, then would you suggest this as sensible behaviour? Just playing devils advocate, but it's interesting how people perceive pot and their relationship with it compared to alcohol, when in reality it really isn't that different. The skewed percetion and poor reaction times cited for reasons why we shouldn't drink and drive actually do apply to weed in equal proportions....

EDIT: I should have added there is no 'limit' with weed as it's one prescribed by yourselves. The limit on alcohol is pretty tiny and the effect of reaching it is barely noticable. I have quite comfortably (stupidly) driven on 4 or 5 pints and felt fine, but that's not to say if quick reaction times were called into play I would have been found out...

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#247 quatoe
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[QUOTE="poptart"]

[QUOTE="quatoe"]

[QUOTE="poptart"]

A couple of heavy bongs and step into the car in rush hour then it can be a long journey. You may be more cautious, but in reality your reaction time slows and if you've really smashed it then you're judgement can be waaaaay out of sync.

We only driveat night high due to less traffic. We never drink to actually inhibit ourselves to the point of not knowing the limit and when we do reach that level we step out of the car nd walk around for a few hours. He is also very reckless while sober and much more cautious while high.

If we replace the substance you're talking about with alcohol, then would you suggest this as sensible behaviour? Just playing devils advocate, but it's interesting how people perceive pot and their relationship with it compared to alcohol, when in reality it really isn't that different. The skewed percetion and poor reaction times cited for reasons why we shouldn't drink and drive actually do apply to weed in equal proportions....

EDIT: I should have added there is no 'limit' with weed as it's one prescribed by yourselves. The limit on alcohol is pretty tiny and the effect of reaching it is barely noticable. I have quite comfortably (stupidly) driven on 4 or 5 pints and felt fine, but that's not to say if quick reaction times were called into play I would have been found out...

I see your point, no doubt about that. Once the summer comes there won`t be driving around. The only reason we do is because it is usually -40 celsius outside.
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#248 quatoe
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[QUOTE="TINYOWNSYOU"]

[QUOTE="quatoe"]

You my friend just posted the best argument here. I can say firsthand that people who drive high do not lose much ability in their motor skills, hell my buddy drives better when he is high. He pays much more attention to the roads, signs and traffic due to being high.

Just thinkin' out loud, but if your friend drives better while he's high, praps he shouldn't have a license.

It`s not that he is a bad driver he is just more careless, thats how all of my friends were and are after they got their license.
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#249 TINYOWNSYOU
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[QUOTE="TINYOWNSYOU"]

[QUOTE="quatoe"]

You my friend just posted the best argument here. I can say firsthand that people who drive high do not lose much ability in their motor skills, hell my buddy drives better when he is high. He pays much more attention to the roads, signs and traffic due to being high.

quatoe

Just thinkin' out loud, but if your friend drives better while he's high, praps he shouldn't have a license.

It`s not that he is a bad driver he is just more careless, thats how all of my friends were and are after they got their license.

But I don't get it... Why were they careless after they got their licenses?

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#250 poptart
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[QUOTE="poptart"]

[QUOTE="quatoe"] We only driveat night high due to less traffic. We never drink to actually inhibit ourselves to the point of not knowing the limit and when we do reach that level we step out of the car nd walk around for a few hours. He is also very reckless while sober and much more cautious while high.

quatoe

If we replace the substance you're talking about with alcohol, then would you suggest this as sensible behaviour? Just playing devils advocate, but it's interesting how people perceive pot and their relationship with it compared to alcohol, when in reality it really isn't that different. The skewed percetion and poor reaction times cited for reasons why we shouldn't drink and drive actually do apply to weed in equal proportions....

EDIT: I should have added there is no 'limit' with weed as it's one prescribed by yourselves. The limit on alcohol is pretty tiny and the effect of reaching it is barely noticable. I have quite comfortably (stupidly) driven on 4 or 5 pints and felt fine, but that's not to say if quick reaction times were called into play I would have been found out...

I see your point, no doubt about that. Once the summer comes there won`t be driving around. The only reason we do is because it is usually -40 celsius outside.

S**t! I wouldn't even leave the house :P