Why does it seem like no one cares about the state initiatives this election?

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#1 Posted by Aljosa23 (24743 posts) -

Gay marriage on the ballot in four states - Maine, Washington, Maryland, and Minnesota
Legalizing marijuana in two states - Colorado and Washington

Besides California's propositions there's also some immigration laws going around that I don't know much about, maybe someone could fill me in. It'll be be interesting to watch especially because all of these have a big chance of passing.

#2 Posted by JML897 (33120 posts) -
Gay marriage and marijuana legalization are a few notches below voting for president
#3 Posted by Mafiree (3704 posts) -
In Cali death penalty and three strikes is on the ballot.
#4 Posted by airshocker (29034 posts) -

I don't keep track of any of that. New York doesn't allow propositions on the ballot anyway.

#5 Posted by HoolaHoopMan (7740 posts) -
I'm voting No in Minnesota. Pretty big deal here. Half of the political ads revolve around it it seems.
#6 Posted by Storm_Marine (10767 posts) -

Because the economy is a hell of alot more important than weed and the goverment blessing gay marriage.

Sorry.

#7 Posted by Swanogt19 (24159 posts) -
From Maine and I voted for gay marriage.
#8 Posted by KC_Hokie (16099 posts) -
State issues in Missouri are lame.
#9 Posted by Aljosa23 (24743 posts) -

Because the economy is a hell of alot more imporant than weed and the goverment blessing gay marriage.

Sorry.

Storm_Marine

Okay. Where did I say this was a one or the other thing?

#10 Posted by Storm_Marine (10767 posts) -

[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

Because the economy is a hell of alot more imporant than weed and the goverment blessing gay marriage.

Sorry.

Aljosa23

Okay. Where did I say this was a one or the other thing?

Holy crap I didn't say you did. Stop trying to make everything a drama Aljosa.

It should be obvious why the vast majority of attention is fixed to the presidental race. The world just doesn't want to talk about something lameass boring like gay marriage in Maine when the US is about to choose it's next president.

#11 Posted by Abbeten (2803 posts) -
I voted for repealing California's death penalty. Go me. Also for the limitations on the three strikes rule
#12 Posted by HoolaHoopMan (7740 posts) -

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

Because the economy is a hell of alot more imporant than weed and the goverment blessing gay marriage.

Sorry.

Storm_Marine

Okay. Where did I say this was a one or the other thing?

Holy crap I didn't say you did. Stop trying to make everything a drama Aljosa.

It should be obvious why the vast majority of attention is fixed to the presidental race. The world just doesn't want to talk about something lameass boring like gay marriage in Maine when the US is about to choose it's next president.

Can't speak for other states but here in Minnesota the marriage amendment is getting TONS of talk. Almost as much as the presidential race I'd say. Civil rights are a big deal to people.
#13 Posted by SaudiFury (8707 posts) -

I definently fvcking care.

voting no on both the voter ID and the gay marriage amendment here in Minnesota.

A LOT of placards on peoples lawns where i am and in the cities with "vote yes" and "vote no". even a billboard on I-35 for vote yes on the gay marriage ban with a hetero black couple as the pic.

the conservatives put a weird wording on it, it's called "vote yes for marriage" as though heterosexuals can't get married. it's just word playing, the truth of it is it it's "vote yes to ban gay marriage in the state of Minnesota".

#14 Posted by SaudiFury (8707 posts) -
[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]Okay. Where did I say this was a one or the other thing?

HoolaHoopMan

Holy crap I didn't say you did. Stop trying to make everything a drama Aljosa.

It should be obvious why the vast majority of attention is fixed to the presidental race. The world just doesn't want to talk about something lameass boring like gay marriage in Maine when the US is about to choose it's next president.

Can't speak for other states but here in Minnesota the marriage amendment is getting TONS of talk. Almost as much as the presidential race I'd say. Civil rights are a big deal to people.

yeah two days ago, while driving i heard Minnesota Public Radio talk about the gay marriage amendment at length, both with the vote no campaign and the vote yes.
#15 Posted by Storm_Marine (10767 posts) -

[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]Okay. Where did I say this was a one or the other thing?

HoolaHoopMan

Holy crap I didn't say you did. Stop trying to make everything a drama Aljosa.

It should be obvious why the vast majority of attention is fixed to the presidental race. The world just doesn't want to talk about something lameass boring like gay marriage in Maine when the US is about to choose it's next president.

Can't speak for other states but here in Minnesota the marriage amendment is getting TONS of talk. Almost as much as the presidential race I'd say. Civil rights are a big deal to people.

There's always local kerfuffle.

#16 Posted by KiIIyou (27139 posts) -
Wish nobody did, dang billions of ugly signs trying to boss me around with their lies.
#17 Posted by jim_shorts (7320 posts) -

The initiatives in Arkansas are pretty talked about. We've got medicinal marijuana and gambling on our ballots, which are pretty contentious.

#18 Posted by HoolaHoopMan (7740 posts) -
[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"][QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

Holy crap I didn't say you did. Stop trying to make everything a drama Aljosa.

It should be obvious why the vast majority of attention is fixed to the presidental race. The world just doesn't want to talk about something lameass boring like gay marriage in Maine when the US is about to choose it's next president.

SaudiFury
Can't speak for other states but here in Minnesota the marriage amendment is getting TONS of talk. Almost as much as the presidential race I'd say. Civil rights are a big deal to people.

yeah two days ago, while driving i heard Minnesota Public Radio talk about the gay marriage amendment at length, both with the vote no campaign and the vote yes.

Yea I think I've seen more yards signs in my city for Vote No than actual presidential ones.
#19 Posted by Pirate700 (46465 posts) -

In Cali death penalty and three strikes is on the ballot.Mafiree
I'm shocked gay marriage wasn't on the ballot here in CA this time around.

#20 Posted by jimkabrhel (15417 posts) -

Because the economy is a hell of alot more important than weed and the goverment blessing gay marriage.

Sorry.

Storm_Marine

Mmmhmm.

But discussion of social issues does get out some base voters, espeically the social conservatives.

#21 Posted by l4dak47 (6838 posts) -
I voted for repealing California's death penalty. Go me. Also for the limitations on the three strikes ruleAbbeten
:nice: Fvck the three strikes rule. Always hated that one.
#22 Posted by Pirate700 (46465 posts) -

I voted for repealing California's death penalty. Go me. Also for the limitations on the three strikes ruleAbbeten
I voted to keep both. Looks like we cancel each other out. >.>

#23 Posted by senses_fail_06 (6735 posts) -
[QUOTE="Abbeten"]I voted for repealing California's death penalty. Go me. Also for the limitations on the three strikes rulel4dak47
:nice: Fvck the three strikes rule. Always hated that one.

Why? I looked it up on wiki, and it says it only applies to 3 felony level charges. That's a lot :|
#24 Posted by Aljosa23 (24743 posts) -

[QUOTE="Abbeten"]I voted for repealing California's death penalty. Go me. Also for the limitations on the three strikes rulePirate700

I voted to keep both. Looks like we cancel each other out. >.>

You're for the death penalty?

#25 Posted by outworld222 (2411 posts) -
In Cali death penalty and three strikes is on the ballot.Mafiree
It is? Wow I cannot believe I didn't see that! On my ballot! I thought there were only two issues, proposition 30 and proposition 32 D:
#26 Posted by Pirate700 (46465 posts) -

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="Abbeten"]I voted for repealing California's death penalty. Go me. Also for the limitations on the three strikes ruleAljosa23

I voted to keep both. Looks like we cancel each other out. >.>

You're for the death penalty?

Yes. You'll be happy to know though I voted with the Dems on one of the propositions though.

#27 Posted by Allicrombie (25122 posts) -
Cali has a buttload of propositions. They're smart to do it this way cause no one votes in state elections.
#28 Posted by Aljosa23 (24743 posts) -

Yes. You'll be happy to know though I voted with the Dems on one of the propositions though.

Pirate700

Why are you for it?

#29 Posted by Pirate700 (46465 posts) -

Cali has a buttload of propositions. They're smart to do it this way cause no one votes in state elections.Allicrombie
I vote for the local stuff in state elections. Unlike the presidential election, my vote actually matters locally as San Diego is a Republican city.

#30 Posted by l4dak47 (6838 posts) -
[QUOTE="l4dak47"][QUOTE="Abbeten"]I voted for repealing California's death penalty. Go me. Also for the limitations on the three strikes rulesenses_fail_06
:nice: Fvck the three strikes rule. Always hated that one.

Why? I looked it up on wiki, and it says it only applies to 3 felony level charges. That's a lot :|

It's stupid and doesn't actually solve anything. I don't get why people think extreme punishments reduce crime; it doesn't and only wastes money/lives.
#31 Posted by Pirate700 (46465 posts) -

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

Yes. You'll be happy to know though I voted with the Dems on one of the propositions though.

Aljosa23

Why are you for it?

I believe some people do things where they deserve to no longer be on this earth. I wish it was expedited some though.

#32 Posted by GamingTitan (518 posts) -

I live in Washington state and I care a lot.

Its crazy that weed is about to be flat out legal here. All the polls are showing it winning by a land slide.

The gay marriage one will pass too.

#33 Posted by senses_fail_06 (6735 posts) -

[QUOTE="senses_fail_06"][QUOTE="l4dak47"] :nice: Fvck the three strikes rule. Always hated that one. l4dak47
Why? I looked it up on wiki, and it says it only applies to 3 felony level charges. That's a lot :|

It's stupid and doesn't actually solve anything. I don't get why people think extreme punishments reduce crime; it doesn't and only wastes money/lives.

It solves something.

It gets people who have committed 3, yes 3, felonies off of the street.

It may not deter crime overall (seems research is still out on this one either way), but certainly it gets the offender off of the street. How many stints (strikes) does one need before they learn?

#34 Posted by Pirate700 (46465 posts) -

I live in Washington state and I care a lot.

Its crazy that weed is about to be flat out legal here. All the polls are showing it winning by a land slide.

The gay marriage one will pass too.

GamingTitan

It won't be flat out legal. It's still banned federally.

#35 Posted by Aljosa23 (24743 posts) -

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

Yes. You'll be happy to know though I voted with the Dems on one of the propositions though.

Pirate700

Why are you for it?

I believe some people do things where they deserve to no longer be on this earth. I wish it was expedited some though.

Yeah I figured that's what you'd say. :P

#36 Posted by Pirate700 (46465 posts) -

[QUOTE="l4dak47"][QUOTE="senses_fail_06"] Why? I looked it up on wiki, and it says it only applies to 3 felony level charges. That's a lot :|senses_fail_06

It's stupid and doesn't actually solve anything. I don't get why people think extreme punishments reduce crime; it doesn't and only wastes money/lives.

It solves something.

It gets people who have committed 3, yes 3, felonies off of the street.

It may not deter crime overall (seems research is still out on this one either way), but certainly it gets the offender off of the street. How many stints (strikes) does one need before they learn?

Agreed. If you've committed felonies to the point where you're getting sent to prison for the 3rd time, you obviously can't stop or don't care.

#37 Posted by senses_fail_06 (6735 posts) -

I live in Washington state and I care a lot.

Its crazy that weed is about to be flat out legal here. All the polls are showing it winning by a land slide.

The gay marriage one will pass too.

GamingTitan
Pretty sure the big boys up top can just say no, as drugs are something taken care of at the federal level. Believe me, I'd love to see a lot of these issues settled by people who actually live in the state. But AFAIK, they can always override the vote.
#38 Posted by Stevo_the_gamer (42626 posts) -
Canadian caring about the states again?
#39 Posted by GamingTitan (518 posts) -

[QUOTE="GamingTitan"]

I live in Washington state and I care a lot.

Its crazy that weed is about to be flat out legal here. All the polls are showing it winning by a land slide.

The gay marriage one will pass too.

Pirate700

It won't be flat out legal. It's still banned federally.

well sure, the feds might raid the shops selling it (that should be intersting), but i mean that it will be legal under state law for recreational use not just medical use.

#40 Posted by l4dak47 (6838 posts) -

[QUOTE="l4dak47"][QUOTE="senses_fail_06"] Why? I looked it up on wiki, and it says it only applies to 3 felony level charges. That's a lot :|senses_fail_06

It's stupid and doesn't actually solve anything. I don't get why people think extreme punishments reduce crime; it doesn't and only wastes money/lives.

It solves something.

It gets people who have committed 3, yes 3, felonies off of the street.

It may not deter crime overall (seems research is still out on this one either way), but certainly it gets the offender off of the street. How many stints (strikes) does one need before they learn?

Bc it doesn't solve the actual problem and many of those felonies are related to drugs which i find fvcking stupid. Should be about rehabilitation, not extreme punishments that only create even more hardened convicts.
#42 Posted by Badosh (12727 posts) -
I'm voting No in Minnesota. Pretty big deal here. Half of the political ads revolve around it it seems. HoolaHoopMan
Yep, same. Some of the Vote Yes ads are ridiculous.
#43 Posted by l4dak47 (6838 posts) -

I live in Washington state and I care a lot.

Its crazy that weed is about to be flat out legal here. All the polls are showing it winning by a land slide.

The gay marriage one will pass too.

GamingTitan
Oh man, I can't wait until weed gets legalized. I'm curious to see what Obama or Romney will do.
#44 Posted by TopTierHustler (3961 posts) -

Because the economy is a hell of alot more important than weed and the goverment blessing gay marriage.

Sorry.

Storm_Marine

my state has unions legality, a bridge to canada, and forcing electric companies to build wind turbines.

Pretty big deals economically.

#45 Posted by GamingTitan (518 posts) -

[QUOTE="GamingTitan"]

I live in Washington state and I care a lot.

Its crazy that weed is about to be flat out legal here. All the polls are showing it winning by a land slide.

The gay marriage one will pass too.

senses_fail_06

Pretty sure the big boys up top can just say no, as drugs are something taken care of at the federal level. Believe me, I'd love to see a lot of these issues settled by people who actually live in the state. But AFAIK, they can always override the vote.

I may be wrong but i dont think they can just veto it, but they can show up and raid the shops and arrest the people selling it. If it passes (and it will) Washington state is basically going to war with the feds over it. Should be pretty crazy~

All in all it seems that its just a question of time before you see it being sold for recreational use in most states. People have had it with a losing drug war. So much revenue to be generated from it. They are saying like 1.5 billion over 2 years in Washington state.

#46 Posted by SaudiFury (8707 posts) -
[QUOTE="GamingTitan"]

I live in Washington state and I care a lot.

Its crazy that weed is about to be flat out legal here. All the polls are showing it winning by a land slide.

The gay marriage one will pass too.

l4dak47
Oh man, I can't wait until weed gets legalized. I'm curious to see what Obama or Romney will do.

might come off as a humorous, but both my mom and i look forward to when we can smoke a joint together (like we did in Jamaica) :P hopefully it'll get passed.
#47 Posted by Stevo_the_gamer (42626 posts) -
[QUOTE="SaudiFury"] might come off as a humorous, but both my mom and i look forward to when we can smoke a joint together (like we did in Jamaica) :P hopefully it'll get passed.

What a great parent.
#48 Posted by l4dak47 (6838 posts) -
[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="SaudiFury"] might come off as a humorous, but both my mom and i look forward to when we can smoke a joint together (like we did in Jamaica) :P hopefully it'll get passed.

What a great parent.

Same as a father drinking a beer with his son. i see no issue here.
#49 Posted by l4dak47 (6838 posts) -
[QUOTE="l4dak47"][QUOTE="GamingTitan"]

I live in Washington state and I care a lot.

Its crazy that weed is about to be flat out legal here. All the polls are showing it winning by a land slide.

The gay marriage one will pass too.

SaudiFury
Oh man, I can't wait until weed gets legalized. I'm curious to see what Obama or Romney will do.

might come off as a humorous, but both my mom and i look forward to when we can smoke a joint together (like we did in Jamaica) :P hopefully it'll get passed.

:nice: My dad doesn't smoke anymore, but I doubt he'd give a sh*t if i smoked.
#50 Posted by senses_fail_06 (6735 posts) -

[QUOTE="senses_fail_06"]

[QUOTE="l4dak47"] It's stupid and doesn't actually solve anything. I don't get why people think extreme punishments reduce crime; it doesn't and only wastes money/lives. l4dak47

It solves something.

It gets people who have committed 3, yes 3, felonies off of the street.

It may not deter crime overall (seems research is still out on this one either way), but certainly it gets the offender off of the street. How many stints (strikes) does one need before they learn?

Bc it doesn't solve the actual problem and many of those felonies are related to drugs which i find fvcking stupid. Should be about rehabilitation, not extreme punishments that only create even more hardened convicts.

Well, you aren't getting felony level charges for marijuana in Cali so obviously the dopers you are referring to are into some hard level **** Either way, your problem seems to be with drug policy and not the three strikes rule.