Was Bin Laden a proper Muslim?

If your beliefs are consistent with the core values of a religion, you can receive a burial of that religion. Many Muslims thought that OBL should be buried in an Islamic manner. Does that mean that OBL's beliefs were consistent with Islamic teachings?

Wasn't it the US who gave him the burial?forgot_it

I have no idea - nobody does lol.

Yeah although it wasn't really a burial at all. Dumping someone in the sea is not my or I think anyone's idea of a proper burial. scar-hawk

Yeah although it wasn't really a burial at all. Dumping someone in the sea is not my or I think anyone's idea of a proper burial. scar-hawk

[QUOTE="scar-hawk"]Yeah although it wasn't really a burial at all. Dumping someone in the sea is not my or I think anyone's idea of a proper burial. LJS9502_basic

Running a counterinsurgency, it was in our national interest to give Bin Laden a proper burial... I don't think it was for Bin Laden personally. In giving him a proper burial, our intelligence officials recognize that some in the ME see Bin Laden as a proper Muslim, to a significant extent.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="scar-hawk"]Yeah although it wasn't really a burial at all. Dumping someone in the sea is not my or I think anyone's idea of a proper burial. scar-hawk

The tradition was to be buried within 24 hours. They buried him at sea since no country would take him and didn't want his grave to become a shrine to followers.

Yes, he was a proper 'to the letter of the koran' muslim.

[QUOTE="scar-hawk"]Yeah although it wasn't really a burial at all. Dumping someone in the sea is not my or I think anyone's idea of a proper burial. spacesheikh

Running a counterinsurgency, it was in our national interest to give Bin Laden a proper burial... I don't think it was for Bin Laden personally. In giving him a proper burial, our intelligence officials recognize that some in the ME see Bin Laden as a proper Muslim.

JustusCF

That doesn't seem right. How can some Muslims consider a mass murderer a proper Muslim? Unless...

You think that's the actual rationale behind it? :lol: They said that to lessen the tension with the Muslim community, when in actuality they didn't want a permanent burial place so as to discourage a "shrine."Maniacc1

[QUOTE="Maniacc1"]You think that's the actual rationale behind it? :lol: They said that to lessen the tension with the Muslim community, when in actuality they didn't want a permanent burial place so as to discourage a "shrine."spacesheikh

They considered him a "Muslim" in faith, but I doubt a Muslim in practice. We consider Westboro Baptist Church members Christians, but we don't associate their practice as true Christianity. I'm not saying Muslims would have even gotten mad over it, (there's a good chance they did think he was a wack job) I'm just trying to make an argument from the U.S. perspective which knows squat about other cultures.

Wasn't he more of a muslim extremist?

"was" still no realproof he's dead/

[QUOTE="JustusCF"]

Running a counterinsurgency, it was in our national interest to give Bin Laden a proper burial... I don't think it was for Bin Laden personally. In giving him a proper burial, our intelligence officials recognize that some in the ME see Bin Laden as a proper Muslim.

spacesheikh

That doesn't seem right. How can some Muslims consider a mass murderer a proper Muslim? Unless...

Well, there's the knee-deep radicals who will never change, these are the propaganda pushers. Then there's the common Jihadist who could have his mind changed by the US's gesture of goodwill. If there's just one spark, it could light the whole person... At least, that's what people who are running the CI hope for.

[QUOTE="spacesheikh"][QUOTE="Maniacc1"]You think that's the actual rationale behind it? :lol: They said that to lessen the tension with the Muslim community, when in actuality they didn't want a permanent burial place so as to discourage a "shrine."Maniacc1

On the other hand, Osama Bin Laden received a burial according to the traditions of Sunni Islam, which every "good" Sunni Muslim receives. See the difference?

[QUOTE="Maniacc1"][QUOTE="spacesheikh"] Yeah but if Muslim people thought OBL was an embarrassment to Islam, they wouldn't care what burial he would get. After all, he doesn't reflect Islam right? But it turns out that many Muslims wanted him to be buried like a proper Muslim. In their view, his beliefs were consistent with Islam.spacesheikh

On the other hand, Osama Bin Laden received a burial according to the traditions of Sunni Islam, which every "good" Sunni Muslim receives. See the difference?

[QUOTE="spacesheikh"][QUOTE="Maniacc1"]You think that's the actual rationale behind it? :lol: They said that to lessen the tension with the Muslim community, when in actuality they didn't want a permanent burial place so as to discourage a "shrine."Maniacc1

They considered him a "Muslim" in faith, but I doubt a Muslim in practice. We consider Westboro Baptist Church members Christians, but we don't associate their practice as true Christianity. I'm not saying Muslims would have even gotten mad over it, (there's a good chance they did think he was a wack job) I'm just trying to make an argument from the U.S. perspective which knows squat about other cultures.

"was" still no realproof he's dead/

sAndroid17

I see no reason why they would lie

[QUOTE="Maniacc1"]

[QUOTE="spacesheikh"] Yeah but if Muslim people thought OBL was an embarrassment to Islam, they wouldn't care what burial he would get. After all, he doesn't reflect Islam right? But it turns out that many Muslims wanted him to be buried like a proper Muslim. In their view, his beliefs were consistent with Islam.LJS9502_basic

They considered him a "Muslim" in faith, but I doubt a Muslim in practice. We consider Westboro Baptist Church members Christians, but we don't associate their practice as true Christianity. I'm not saying Muslims would have even gotten mad over it, (there's a good chance they did think he was a wack job) I'm just trying to make an argument from the U.S. perspective which knows squat about other cultures.

"was" still no realproof he's dead/

sAndroid17

[QUOTE="spacesheikh"]

[QUOTE="Maniacc1"] They considered him a "Muslim" in faith, but I doubt a Muslim in practice. We consider Westboro Baptist Church members Christians, but we don't associate their practice as true Christianity. I'm not saying Muslims would have even gotten mad over it, (there's a good chance they did thing he was a wack job) I'm just trying to make an argument from the U.S. perspective which knows squat about other cultures. Maniacc1

On the other hand, Osama Bin Laden received a burial according to the traditions of Sunni Islam, which every "good" Sunni Muslim receives. See the difference?

The fate of his corpse is not the point. The point is that Muslims would raise hell if he was buried disrespectfully. However, you don't see Christians tripping over themselves to ensure that WBC members are buried according to Christian traditions. Neither Catholics, nor protestants, nor orthodox would claim the bodies of WBC members.

Many Muslims on the other hand would be grossly offended if OBL wasn't buried according to Sunni Islam.

Bin Laden killed many, many Muslims and flagrantly defied Islamic rules of war (which forbids killing civilians, by the way). No, he was not a good Muslim because he ignored important statutes of the religion.

To be fair, we don't know what kind of burial he received. They say they followed traditions, when in reality they could have punted his body into the ocean for all we know. Maniacc1

[QUOTE="sAndroid17"]

"was" still no realproof he's dead/

I see no reason why they would lie

[QUOTE="Maniacc1"][QUOTE="spacesheikh"] WBC are not members of any notable church. They would not receive a Catholic burial, or a Orthodox burial, or even a Baptist burial. They are rejected by every notable denomination. Westboro Baptist Church members would receive a Westboro Baptist Church burial, which is entirely their own.

On the other hand, Osama Bin Laden received a burial according to the traditions of Sunni Islam, which every "good" Sunni Muslim receives. See the difference?

spacesheikh

The fate of his corpse is not the point. The point is that Muslims would raise hell if he was buried disrespectfully. However, you don't see Christians tripping over themselves to ensure that WBC members are buried according to Christian traditions. Neither Catholics, nor protestants, nor orthodox would claim the bodies of WBC members.

Many Muslims on the other hand would be grossly offended if OBL wasn't buried according to Sunni Islam.

Does the KKK represent proper Christianity? 8)

[QUOTE="Colin1192"]

[QUOTE="sAndroid17"]

"was" still no realproof he's dead/

sAndroid17

I see no reason why they would lie

i know... thats what im saying >__>

Does the KKK represent proper Christianity? 8)

Mystic-G

in my experience... yes

[QUOTE="spacesheikh"]

[QUOTE="Maniacc1"] To be fair, we don't know what kind of burial he received. They say they followed traditions, when in reality they could have punted his body into the ocean for all we know. Maniacc1

The fate of his corpse is not the point. The point is that Muslims would raise hell if he was buried disrespectfully. However, you don't see Christians tripping over themselves to ensure that WBC members are buried according to Christian traditions. Neither Catholics, nor protestants, nor orthodox would claim the bodies of WBC members.

Many Muslims on the other hand would be grossly offended if OBL wasn't buried according to Sunni Islam.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jG7UJ7x8ozawcWS0Y1tE6OChe3Jw?docId=7079d8b79ab04465a1030dfaf9e04510

Look buddy if you don't read the news then I can't help you.

OBL was buried respectfully and yet Muslim Clerics still find something to complain about.

Does the KKK represent proper Christianity? 8)

Mystic-G

[QUOTE="Maniacc1"][QUOTE="spacesheikh"]

The fate of his corpse is not the point. The point is that Muslims would raise hell if he was buried disrespectfully. However, you don't see Christians tripping over themselves to ensure that WBC members are buried according to Christian traditions. Neither Catholics, nor protestants, nor orthodox would claim the bodies of WBC members.

Many Muslims on the other hand would be grossly offended if OBL wasn't buried according to Sunni Islam.

spacesheikh

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jG7UJ7x8ozawcWS0Y1tE6OChe3Jw?docId=7079d8b79ab04465a1030dfaf9e04510

Look buddy if you don't read the news then I can't help you.

OBL was buried respectfully and yet Muslim Clerics still find something to complain about.

[QUOTE="Maniacc1"][QUOTE="spacesheikh"]

The fate of his corpse is not the point. The point is that Muslims would raise hell if he was buried disrespectfully. However, you don't see Christians tripping over themselves to ensure that WBC members are buried according to Christian traditions. Neither Catholics, nor protestants, nor orthodox would claim the bodies of WBC members.

Many Muslims on the other hand would be grossly offended if OBL wasn't buried according to Sunni Islam.

spacesheikh

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jG7UJ7x8ozawcWS0Y1tE6OChe3Jw?docId=7079d8b79ab04465a1030dfaf9e04510

Look buddy if you don't read the news then I can't help you.

OBL was buried respectfully and yet Muslim Clerics still find something to complain about.

[QUOTE="Mystic-G"]

Does the KKK represent proper Christianity? 8)

spacesheikh

[QUOTE="Mystic-G"]

Does the KKK represent proper Christianity? 8)

spacesheikh

[QUOTE="Mystic-G"]

Does the KKK represent proper Christianity? 8)

spacesheikh

with those robes they would be weighed down and drown. Which is supposed to be a very painful way to die. They best be angry