UK mother murders son for failing to memorize Koran.

PWSteal_Ldpinch · 2012-11-10 12:05:37

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/9648856/Mother-murdered-son-for-failing-to-learn-the-Koran.htmlSara Ege used a stick to beat seven-year-old Yaseen like a dog if he couldnt recite passages from the Islamic text.The beatings were so brutal that the boy died from his injuries, and his mother tried to burn the body to destroy the evidence, Cardiff Crown Court was told.In a video recording of her interview with police, Mrs Ege told them: I was trying to teach him the Koran.I was getting more and more frustrated. If he didnt read it properly I would be very angry I would hit him.We had a high target. I wanted him to learn 35 pages in three months.I promised him a new bike if he could do it. But Yaseen wasnt very good after a year of practice he had only learnt a chapter.The court heard Mrs Ege, 32, a university graduate, and her husband, Yousuf, had enrolled Yaseen in advanced classes at their local mosque.They wanted him to become a hafiz an Islamic term for someone who memorises the Koran.Yaseen was coming to the end of a three-month trial period at the mosque, and Ege was keen for him to impress his Imam.She also hit him with a hammer, a rolling pin and a slipper, as well as repeatedly punching him, the court heard.She would allegedly lock him in the shed, tie him to a door, and force him to do press-ups.

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#101 chessmaster1989

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[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="PWSteal_Ldpinch"] Almost politically correct muslim: angry that a woman killed her son--demands that the woman be executed.
PWSteal_Ldpinch

So now the death penalty of murder is a Muslim thing? lol

How about you guys stop calling for people to be executed for a little while? Take a break, you know?

Weird that you pick out one person when several non-Muslims in this thread have called for the person to be executed.

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[QUOTE="MrPraline"] True. Always been impressed with how America, and American Muslims, have handled it. Muslim integration like that is almost unparalleled.PWSteal_Ldpinch

That's cause we're a lot more selective of the muslims that we bring into the country. It's not a random sample of the worldwide muslim population, obviously.

Yeah, definitely. Big mistakes have been made here decades ago and we see European cities fall deep into sh*t yearly for it, sadly.

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#103 MrPraline

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[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="GazaAli"] I admit that the other moderate Muslims do slack in their job. Extremists are full of passion and dedication, they blindly believe in their ideals and beliefs so it would take a lot to top that. Moderate Muslims in general are not highly motivated due to several reasons. People in the Middle East are so exhausted because of conflict and economic crises to the point where its really hard to find time to care for such "luxurious" issues. The west sentiment toward Islam is not helping either. I mean its always easier for you to bash Islam and Muslims and accuse them with all sorts of sh!t because a man killed his daughter or a mother hit her son to death. All of these things together, its really hard to find the drive to try and commit yourself to the spread of moderate Islam.

I have to clarify fist that I was mostly talking about Europe. Whenever we critise any aspect of Islam the first response is always: "that's just a FEW, the MAJORITY, the MODERATES". And that's when my quest starts. Which moderates? Where? I hear nothing. No objection to anything going on. No unified voice against violence or extremism. No hints at anything but silent approval. But I agree with your statement, it's very hard to find that drive. I know it's definitely not easy.

I'd imagine that most moderate Muslims are busy with getting on with their life. They fit as citizens, and we all know how much your average citizen is concerned with things other than his/her daily life and future plans.

I haven't been a religious man in a long time, but it sounds difficult to sit idly when you know the word of your God is being twisted and exploited on a daily basis. Certainly a good point though.

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#104 GazaAli

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[QUOTE="PWSteal_Ldpinch"]
[QUOTE="MrPraline"] True. Always been impressed with how America, and American Muslims, have handled it. Muslim integration like that is almost unparalleled.MrPraline

That's cause we're a lot more selective of the muslims that we bring into the country. It's not a random sample of the worldwide muslim population, obviously.

Yeah, definitely. Big mistakes have been made here decades ago and we see European cities fall deep into sh*t yearly for it, sadly.

Frankly I feel bad about it too. Europe admitted sh!t load of immigrants of questionable quality to the point where it became extremely hard for better suited immigrants to be admitted.

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#105 Darkman2007

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[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="GazaAli"] I admit that the other moderate Muslims do slack in their job. Extremists are full of passion and dedication, they blindly believe in their ideals and beliefs so it would take a lot to top that. Moderate Muslims in general are not highly motivated due to several reasons. People in the Middle East are so exhausted because of conflict and economic crises to the point where its really hard to find time to care for such "luxurious" issues. The west sentiment toward Islam is not helping either. I mean its always easier for you to bash Islam and Muslims and accuse them with all sorts of sh!t because a man killed his daughter or a mother hit her son to death. All of these things together, its really hard to find the drive to try and commit yourself to the spread of moderate Islam.

from what Ive noticed, the Islam thats preached in Europe is sometimes more extreme or even salafist in nature than what gets taught in most of the Middle East. simply because Europe didn't do much to stop the creation of extreme schools and mosques ,usually funded with Gulf money , which has an effect on what gets taught. I think this is what causes alot of the animosity.

Personally I really respect the EU and Europe, but yea they were quite soft with issues of integration and they immigration process should have been more selective.

I think its a combination of naivety, political correctness and lack of knowledge on the part of Europe. they didn't want to tackle the problem until it was kind of late because of freedom of religion and speech , and out of fear of disrespect , and they kinda allowed it to go on. in the Middle East, governments know full well what Salafism and Wahabism mean and the dangers it can cause. , and from what I know there tends to be attempts to control it. the ironic part is , in the Middle East, extremism does have ties to poverty, wheres in Europe its not always the case, even Europe's poor often live better than alot of average people in the Middle East. there is also the problem of weak government, some people follow the government, some follow the Imam , and some follow the traditional/local/tribal law , which leads to a weak government which can't tackle the Islamists (we already saw this in Yemen and Libya, which are more groups of tribes than countries)

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#106 GazaAli

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[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="MrPraline"] I have to clarify fist that I was mostly talking about Europe. Whenever we critise any aspect of Islam the first response is always: "that's just a FEW, the MAJORITY, the MODERATES". And that's when my quest starts. Which moderates? Where? I hear nothing. No objection to anything going on. No unified voice against violence or extremism. No hints at anything but silent approval. But I agree with your statement, it's very hard to find that drive. I know it's definitely not easy.MrPraline

I'd imagine that most moderate Muslims are busy with getting on with their life. They fit as citizens, and we all know how much your average citizen is concerned with things other than his/her daily life and future plans.

I haven't been a religious man in a long time, but it sounds difficult to sit idly when you know the word of your God is being twisted and exploited on a daily basis. Certainly a good point though.

It certainly must be, but often these immigrants come from regions where conflict and economic crises have worn the population so down that they just want to live. I can relate as I myself am trying to gtfo of here and move to Europe. If I managed to get there I don't want to have anything to do with any sh!t related to this clusterfvck for the rest of my life.

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#107 GazaAli

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[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="Darkman2007"] from what Ive noticed, the Islam thats preached in Europe is sometimes more extreme or even salafist in nature than what gets taught in most of the Middle East. simply because Europe didn't do much to stop the creation of extreme schools and mosques ,usually funded with Gulf money , which has an effect on what gets taught. I think this is what causes alot of the animosity.

Personally I really respect the EU and Europe, but yea they were quite soft with issues of integration and they immigration process should have been more selective.

I think its a combination of naivety, political correctness and lack of knowledge on the part of Europe. they didn't want to tackle the problem until it was kind of late because of freedom of religion and speech , and out of fear of disrespect , and they kinda allowed it to go on. in the Middle East, governments know full well what Salafism and Wahabism mean and the dangers it can cause. , and from what I know there tends to be attempts to control it. the ironic part is , in the Middle East, extremism does have ties to poverty, wheres in Europe its not always the case, even Europe's poor often live better than alot of average people in the Middle East. there is also the problem of weak government, some people follow the government, some follow the Imam , and some follow the traditional/local/tribal law , which leads to a weak government which can't tackle the Islamists (we already saw this in Yemen and Libya, which are more groups of tribes than countries)

Extremism in Europe has to do with the fact that immigrants are allowed, or encouraged indirectly to bring their sh!t with them. U.S's integration policy and philosophy is all about "forget everything you ever lived by, you are now an American and you will have to act like one". Personally I respect that, its simply how it should be done. If you are sick of the situation in your home country to a point where you chose to leave, its time to leave it all there and start anew.

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#108 Darkman2007

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[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="GazaAli"] Personally I really respect the EU and Europe, but yea they were quite soft with issues of integration and they immigration process should have been more selective.

I think its a combination of naivety, political correctness and lack of knowledge on the part of Europe. they didn't want to tackle the problem until it was kind of late because of freedom of religion and speech , and out of fear of disrespect , and they kinda allowed it to go on. in the Middle East, governments know full well what Salafism and Wahabism mean and the dangers it can cause. , and from what I know there tends to be attempts to control it. the ironic part is , in the Middle East, extremism does have ties to poverty, wheres in Europe its not always the case, even Europe's poor often live better than alot of average people in the Middle East. there is also the problem of weak government, some people follow the government, some follow the Imam , and some follow the traditional/local/tribal law , which leads to a weak government which can't tackle the Islamists (we already saw this in Yemen and Libya, which are more groups of tribes than countries)

Extremism in Europe has to do with the fact that immigrants are allowed, or encouraged indirectly to bring their sh!t with them. U.S's integration policy and philosophy is all about "forget everything you ever lived by, you are now an American and you will have to act like one". Personally I respect that, its simply how it should be done. If you are sick of the situation in your home country to a point where you chose to leave, its time to leave it all there and start anew.

its not just that, what one tends to find is that the first generation of immigrants were relatively moderate, while its the youth that is more radical.

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#109 PWSteal_Ldpinch

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It certainly must be, but often these immigrants come from regions where conflict and economic crises have worn the population so down that they just want to live. I can relate as I myself am trying to gtfo of here and move to Europe. If I managed to get there I don't want to have anything to do with any sh!t related to this clusterfvck for the rest of my life.
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Gaza, If a European country accepts you on the condition that you watch a video of mocking muhammad would you watch it or would you flip the table and GTFO?

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#110 PWSteal_Ldpinch

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U.S's integration policy and philosophy is all about "forget everything you ever lived by, you are now an American and you will have to act like one". GazaAli

Uhhh no it's not like that, you're misinformed. Like I said, we just select for immigrants who would be of benefit to us, whether they be middle eastern, asian, or whatever.

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#111 EatShanna

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Religion of sticks.

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#112 GazaAli

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[QUOTE="GazaAli"] U.S's integration policy and philosophy is all about "forget everything you ever lived by, you are now an American and you will have to act like one". PWSteal_Ldpinch

Uhhh no it's not like that, you're misinformed. Like I said, we just select for immigrants who would be of benefit to us, whether they be middle eastern, asian, or whatever.

Yes which does not contradict with what I said. You will not be beneficial to a country if you do not consider yourself a part of it and adhere to its law and culture.

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#113 GazaAli

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[QUOTE="GazaAli"]It certainly must be, but often these immigrants come from regions where conflict and economic crises have worn the population so down that they just want to live. I can relate as I myself am trying to gtfo of here and move to Europe. If I managed to get there I don't want to have anything to do with any sh!t related to this clusterfvck for the rest of my life.
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Gaza, If a European country accepts you on the condition that you watch a video of mocking muhammad would you watch it or would you flip the table and GTFO?

I'd refuse simply because I should not have to do something that I do not want to do, whether its watching a video mocking the prophet or a porn clip.

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#114 PWSteal_Ldpinch

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[QUOTE="PWSteal_Ldpinch"]
[QUOTE="GazaAli"]It certainly must be, but often these immigrants come from regions where conflict and economic crises have worn the population so down that they just want to live. I can relate as I myself am trying to gtfo of here and move to Europe. If I managed to get there I don't want to have anything to do with any sh!t related to this clusterfvck for the rest of my life.
GazaAli

Gaza, If a European country accepts you on the condition that you watch a video of mocking muhammad would you watch it or would you flip the table and GTFO?

I'd refuse simply because I should not have to do something that I do not want to do, whether its watching a video mocking the prophet or a porn clip.

But what happens if you walk in the streets of said European country and you spot an offensive banner or a scantily clad woman? As I suspected, you're still not suitable for integration in a European country. You need more deprogramming.

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#115 NoSpeakyEnglish

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[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="MrPraline"] I have to clarify fist that I was mostly talking about Europe. Whenever we critise any aspect of Islam the first response is always: "that's just a FEW, the MAJORITY, the MODERATES". And that's when my quest starts. Which moderates? Where? I hear nothing. No objection to anything going on. No unified voice against violence or extremism. No hints at anything but silent approval. But I agree with your statement, it's very hard to find that drive. I know it's definitely not easy.

I'd imagine that most moderate Muslims are busy with getting on with their life. They fit as citizens, and we all know how much your average citizen is concerned with things other than his/her daily life and future plans.

I haven't been a religious man in a long time, but it sounds difficult to sit idly when you know the word of your God is being twisted and exploited on a daily basis.

What do you suggest they do? Raise awareness? Think about it, a Muslim preaching about Islam would not get a good reception anywhere in the Western world.

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#116 MrPraline

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[QUOTE="NoSpeakyEnglish"][QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="GazaAli"] I'd imagine that most moderate Muslims are busy with getting on with their life. They fit as citizens, and we all know how much your average citizen is concerned with things other than his/her daily life and future plans.

I haven't been a religious man in a long time, but it sounds difficult to sit idly when you know the word of your God is being twisted and exploited on a daily basis.

What do you suggest they do? Raise awareness? Think about it, a Muslim preaching about Islam would not get a good reception anywhere in the Western world.

It's not that difficult. We criticise Islam for X, everyone -with our policor agitprop media in front of the line- says Islam does not support X; "the moderates!!!", only a FEW "misunderstanders of Islam" (c Bob Spencer) do support X. So why the silence from this allegedly huge group of proper and genuine Muslims? Wait, can it be that the so called extremists do follow what the Qu'ran preaches?

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#117 GazaAli

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[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="PWSteal_Ldpinch"]
Gaza, If a European country accepts you on the condition that you watch a video of mocking muhammad would you watch it or would you flip the table and GTFO?
PWSteal_Ldpinch

I'd refuse simply because I should not have to do something that I do not want to do, whether its watching a video mocking the prophet or a porn clip.

But what happens if you walk in the streets of said European country and you spot an offensive banner or a scantily clad woman? As I suspected, you're still not suitable for integration in a European country. You need more deprogramming.

lol how exactly are you comparing these things? One has to do with ME, the other has nothing to do with me.

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#118 MakeMeaSammitch

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[QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]
[QUOTE="bloodling"]
That seems to be the main problem.
bloodling

yes I agree, but that's never going to change....

The price will go down eventually, but how long will it takes before it can be affordable, I don't know.

It's always going to cost much more than trial/jailing a normal criminal.

Just saves money to do away with it.

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#119 bloodling

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[QUOTE="bloodling"]
The price will go down eventually, but how long will it take before it can be affordable, I don't know.
MakeMeaSammitch

It's always going to cost much more than trial/jailing a normal criminal.

Just saves money to do away with it.

Keeping someone in jail for 50+ years is pretty expensive. There's no doubt that a trial asking for a death sentence is much more expensive in order to make sure that no innocent is put to death, but that might be reduced eventually. You spend more money in the trial, but save the money that would be spent in the prison system. The drug used to kill people will drop in price once their patent expires, I'm not aware how much it costs right now.

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#120 Hexagon_777

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Life is hard enough as is and this "mother" only made it ever more difficult by making a mere child do something absolutely unnecessary. There are more important things in life, and I expect far better behaviour from a university graduate.

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#121 GazaAli

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Life is hard enough as is and this "mother" only made it ever more difficult by making a mere child do something absolutely unnecessary. There are more important things in life, and I expect far better behaviour from a university graduate.Hexagon_777

Unfortunately I don't.

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#122 m25105

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People get killed for stupid reasons every day, but if it has something to do with religion you can be sure the religion haters will be out in full force. 10,000 people die cause of war and famine? Lol who cares. One death by a crazy parent somehow related to religion. 15 pages + incoming posts.

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#123 NoSpeakyEnglish

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[QUOTE="NoSpeakyEnglish"][QUOTE="MrPraline"] I haven't been a religious man in a long time, but it sounds difficult to sit idly when you know the word of your God is being twisted and exploited on a daily basis.MrPraline

What do you suggest they do? Raise awareness? Think about it, a Muslim preaching about Islam would not get a good reception anywhere in the Western world.

So why the silence from this allegedly huge group of proper and genuine Muslims?

That is a really good question. I can't speak for everyone, but personally between school and work, it's tough to come home and find the energy to go out and rally my fellow Muslims to speak out against these people because, quite honestly, what would that prove and would that even change things? Also, I highly doubt anything I do (unless it's something like blowing s*** up) would even make it to the news because the media does like to promote certain stereotypes in favor of the government. This guykinda explains it in more depth(skip to 7:35).

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#124 ShadowsDemon

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This shames all religious people...

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#125 helwa1988

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This is what sucks about all these muslims coming over here.
what seems perfectly normal to them is often disgusting by our standards.
sexyweapons

Dude that us not normal for Muslims. Beating kids to learn Quran is actually discouraged by many shaikhs because they believe that beating them could actually make the, dislike reading Quran rather than loving it. Only Muslims who grew up in rural or village areas might find this acceptable. But most Muslims will not find this acceptable. I use to study Quran as a kid and not once did my parents beat me.

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#126 helwa1988

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[QUOTE="MrPraline"] True. Always been impressed with how America, and American Muslims, have handled it. Muslim integration like that is almost unparalleled.PWSteal_Ldpinch

That's cause we're a lot more selective of the muslims that we bring into the country. It's not a random sample of the worldwide muslim population, obviously.

People also need to take into account. That most foreign Muslims that come to America are generally more educated and they live pretty decent lives. But in Europe (especially in France) they live in slums of the projects and make low income wages. And they are not very educated.

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#127 Hexagon_777

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People get killed for stupid reasons every day, but if it has something to do with religion you can be sure the religion haters will be out in full force. 10,000 people die cause of war and famine? Lol who cares. One death by a crazy parent somehow related to religion. 15 pages + incoming posts.m25105

War and famine are hated universally. There's no discussion in something everyone can agree on. Religion, on the other hand, has its haters and its fanboys.

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#128 Hexagon_777

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[QUOTE="PWSteal_Ldpinch"]
[QUOTE="MrPraline"] True. Always been impressed with how America, and American Muslims, have handled it. Muslim integration like that is almost unparalleled.helwa1988

That's cause we're a lot more selective of the muslims that we bring into the country. It's not a random sample of the worldwide muslim population, obviously.

People also need to take into account. That most foreign Muslims that come to America are generally more educated and they live pretty decent lives. But in Europe (especially in France) they live in slums of the projects and make low income wages. And they are not very educated.

This particular sample was quite educated, however, and yet still so backwards in her ways.

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