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[QUOTE="MgamerBD"]That was not that bad. He did not hit her face, or body just the legs and butt. That is an old fashion beating, not abuse. Trust me it happened to me...its not so bad if you just listen.Chris_Williamsnaw man thats abuse, the guy was cleary taking out his anger on her, the girl just downloaded things off the web, he was going overboard, you can cleary tell the mom was trying to stop him and just finish the job because he was taking it to far. No...its not. To me that does not look like abuse at all. He did not touch her face or any other body part actually. That is a form of discipline. I have been disciplined when I was younger. Looking back it is not that bad. He might have went overboard...but he didn't do nothing "abuse worthy". I have heard stories of my family getting the switch. I have gotten beat with a belt, even slapped by my mom and punched in the chest by my dad multiple times. What this guy did was light...
Um... that's child abuse in this country, and you'd think a judge would have better means to discipline his child anyway. Beating a girl with cerebral palsy... big man.
To any who disagree, I respectfully disagree and would be happy to demonstrate my skills with a bull-whip (belts are so passe) while we chat.
[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"][QUOTE="MgamerBD"]That was not that bad. He did not hit her face, or body just the legs and butt. That is an old fashion beating, not abuse. Trust me it happened to me...its not so bad if you just listen.MgamerBDnaw man thats abuse, the guy was cleary taking out his anger on her, the girl just downloaded things off the web, he was going overboard, you can cleary tell the mom was trying to stop him and just finish the job because he was taking it to far. No...its not. To me that does not look like abuse at all. He did not touch her face or any other body part actually. That is a form of discipline. I have been disciplined when I was younger. Looking back it is not that bad. He might have went overboard...but he didn't do nothing "abuse worthy". I have heard stories of my family getting the switch. I have gotten beat with a belt, even slapped by my mom and punched in the chest by my dad multiple times. What this guy did was light... You can't kill someone in your family and expect to get away with it just because you were family. Physical assault is still physical assault.
[QUOTE="MgamerBD"][QUOTE="Chris_Williams"] naw man thats abuse, the guy was cleary taking out his anger on her, the girl just downloaded things off the web, he was going overboard, you can cleary tell the mom was trying to stop him and just finish the job because he was taking it to far. inoperativeRSNo...its not. To me that does not look like abuse at all. He did not touch her face or any other body part actually. That is a form of discipline. I have been disciplined when I was younger. Looking back it is not that bad. He might have went overboard...but he didn't do nothing "abuse worthy". I have heard stories of my family getting the switch. I have gotten beat with a belt, even slapped by my mom and punched in the chest by my dad multiple times. What this guy did was light... You can't kill someone in your family and expect to get away with it just because you were family. Physical assault is still physical assault. ...And in fact... it falls under domestic violence laws too, so it's that little bit extra.
[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"][QUOTE="MgamerBD"]That was not that bad. He did not hit her face, or body just the legs and butt. That is an old fashion beating, not abuse. Trust me it happened to me...its not so bad if you just listen.MgamerBDnaw man thats abuse, the guy was cleary taking out his anger on her, the girl just downloaded things off the web, he was going overboard, you can cleary tell the mom was trying to stop him and just finish the job because he was taking it to far. No...its not. To me that does not look like abuse at all. He did not touch her face or any other body part actually. That is a form of discipline. I have been disciplined when I was younger. Looking back it is not that bad. He might have went overboard...but he didn't do nothing "abuse worthy". I have heard stories of my family getting the switch. I have gotten beat with a belt, even slapped by my mom and punched in the chest by my dad multiple times. What this guy did was light... He threatened to hit her in the face instead. Who knows what would have happened if the wife weren't there.
By the time a child becomes a teen, the whole getting spanked with a belt thing should no longer happen. But it seems like the judge has some anger management issues too.
Well this (former) teen also has ataxic cerebral palsy so... maybe the normal ability to fend off an abusive parent was absent.By the time a child becomes a teen, the whole getting spanked with a belt thing should no longer happen. But it seems like the judge has some anger management issues too.
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[QUOTE="BranKetra"][QUOTE="MgamerBD"] But he didn't...sooo why does that matter?MgamerBDThreatening is against the law. You don't know that? Touching someone is assault. The lines get blurred when talking about parent discipline.*Yawn* There is a reason the lines get blurred. It is up to the parents to raise the child. So don't bring a lawful standpoint into this argument because the world does not work that way. Sure it might be illegal but at such an age when a "kid" is living with their parents and is not considered an adult yet I am sure those rules don't apply. The point is he disciplined his child, and agree it was a little excessive but not excessive enough to be called "abuse". I hate when OT becomes so sensitive, if you didn't get disciplined as a child good for you. Some people listen to words, others to pain that is the bottom line.The world may not work this way, but some societies do. Believe it or not. Then again, I'm sure there are some people who think torture is acceptable in situations ranging as far as interrogation to mental retardation treatment. I know that there are some people who won't take no for an answer and violence will become necessary. In the same respect, there are people who aren't competent enough to know when something else can be used instead of violence and what that something else is. I'm not sure how thinking with a level head makes a person sensitive. I suppose it's better than just being hard headed and resorting to violence instead of thinking things through.
[QUOTE="MgamerBD"][QUOTE="BranKetra"]Threatening is against the law. You don't know that? Touching someone is assault. The lines get blurred when talking about parent discipline.shadowchronicle*Yawn* There is a reason the lines get blurred. It is up to the parents to raise the child. So don't bring a lawful standpoint into this argument because the world does not work that way. Sure it might be illegal but at such an age when a "kid" is living with their parents and is not considered an adult yet I am sure those rules don't apply. The point is he disciplined his child, and agree it was a little excessive but not excessive enough to be called "abuse". I hate when OT becomes so sensitive, if you didn't get disciplined as a child good for you. Some people listen to words, others to pain that is the bottom line. You know what? Some people have higher expectations set on them when they are born, and some parents expectations are higher than others. So tell me what were your parents expectations as a child? Some kids do listen and still get in trouble. Also... some kids listen and behave without the threat of violence. Respect goes further than fear when it comes to raising a kid.
[QUOTE="MgamerBD"][QUOTE="BranKetra"]Threatening is against the law. You don't know that? Touching someone is assault. The lines get blurred when talking about parent discipline.shadowchronicle*Yawn* There is a reason the lines get blurred. It is up to the parents to raise the child. So don't bring a lawful standpoint into this argument because the world does not work that way. Sure it might be illegal but at such an age when a "kid" is living with their parents and is not considered an adult yet I am sure those rules don't apply. The point is he disciplined his child, and agree it was a little excessive but not excessive enough to be called "abuse". I hate when OT becomes so sensitive, if you didn't get disciplined as a child good for you. Some people listen to words, others to pain that is the bottom line. You know what? Some people have higher expectations set on them when they are born, and some parents expectations are higher than others. So tell me what were your parents expectations as a child? Some kids do listen and still get in trouble. My parents had high expectations for me. But they didn't treat me like a friend, they treated my like a child. They fully understood that I had to be punished if I do something wrong. Whether it was telling me to stand in the corner, go into the bathroom until I stop crying, or they just gave me a whipping I learned from it. They taught me about consquence and I am thankful for it. I was not one of those kids that listen to words. But you might be. Just know that me and my parents relationship was strictly parent and child. They had to raise me right and they did.
Man she to damn old to be crying from getting a beating Bucked20I guess when you're handicapped and smaller than a guy who also happens to be a judge, your options are limited. Lets be honest, if I'm 18 and my father tried to beat me with a belt, I'd hang him with it, but I'm not a girl with CP.
[QUOTE="shadowchronicle"][QUOTE="MgamerBD"]*Yawn* There is a reason the lines get blurred. It is up to the parents to raise the child. So don't bring a lawful standpoint into this argument because the world does not work that way. Sure it might be illegal but at such an age when a "kid" is living with their parents and is not considered an adult yet I am sure those rules don't apply. The point is he disciplined his child, and agree it was a little excessive but not excessive enough to be called "abuse". I hate when OT becomes so sensitive, if you didn't get disciplined as a child good for you. Some people listen to words, others to pain that is the bottom line.MgamerBDYou know what? Some people have higher expectations set on them when they are born, and some parents expectations are higher than others. So tell me what were your parents expectations as a child? Some kids do listen and still get in trouble. My parents had high expectations for me. But they didn't treat me like a friend, they treated my like a child. They fully understood that I had to be punished if I do something wrong. Whether it was telling me to stand in the corner, go into the bathroom until I stop crying, or they just gave me a whipping I learned from it. They taught me about consquence and I am thankful for it. I was not one of those kids that listen to words. But you might be. Just know that me and my parents relationship was strictly parent and child. They had to raise me right and they did. Yeah, but that seems like a case of: :P
[QUOTE="MgamerBD"][QUOTE="BranKetra"]Threatening is against the law. You don't know that? Touching someone is assault. The lines get blurred when talking about parent discipline.Frame_Dragger*Yawn* There is a reason the lines get blurred. It is up to the parents to raise the child. So don't bring a lawful standpoint into this argument because the world does not work that way. Sure it might be illegal but at such an age when a "kid" is living with their parents and is not considered an adult yet I am sure those rules don't apply. The point is he disciplined his child, and agree it was a little excessive but not excessive enough to be called "abuse". I hate when OT becomes so sensitive, if you didn't get disciplined as a child good for you. Some people listen to words, others to pain that is the bottom line. Yeah, yeah... we get it... your family whipped the **** out of each other and now you have a skewed view. I can't tell you how little I care, or how little the courts seem to care about this judge's conduct. As you're not a judge, nor ever likely to be, your opinions on this only matter for whatever offspring you manage to produce. Just remember that eventually they'll be strong, you'll be old, and the worm turns. I also would like to volunteer to literally whip my name into your flesh if you ever feel the need for further discipline. I'm pretty sure that my children will also be thankful. I'm not gonna beat the living **** out of them. But I'm not gonna be their friend either...
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I think the parents are a couple of psychopaths.
Yep.
There's no reason to ever beat your child like he did.
:roll: Its called discipline.
If you NEED to hit your kid to discipline them, you suck as a disiplinarian... and probably should pass on the whole, "having kids" business.[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"][QUOTE="MgamerBD"]*Yawn* There is a reason the lines get blurred. It is up to the parents to raise the child. So don't bring a lawful standpoint into this argument because the world does not work that way. Sure it might be illegal but at such an age when a "kid" is living with their parents and is not considered an adult yet I am sure those rules don't apply. The point is he disciplined his child, and agree it was a little excessive but not excessive enough to be called "abuse". I hate when OT becomes so sensitive, if you didn't get disciplined as a child good for you. Some people listen to words, others to pain that is the bottom line.MgamerBDYeah, yeah... we get it... your family whipped the **** out of each other and now you have a skewed view. I can't tell you how little I care, or how little the courts seem to care about this judge's conduct. As you're not a judge, nor ever likely to be, your opinions on this only matter for whatever offspring you manage to produce. Just remember that eventually they'll be strong, you'll be old, and the worm turns. I also would like to volunteer to literally whip my name into your flesh if you ever feel the need for further discipline. I'm pretty sure that my children will also be thankful. I'm not gonna beat the living **** out of them. But I'm not gonna be their friend either... Yeah, those are the options... hit them or be their friends... no middle ground exists. You can't possibly be someone who's respect and approval they seek, instead of just a person to fear. Anyone can scare a kid, it takes actual parenting skill to be a role model, set limits and follow through without resorting to violence. Violence is for later in life, when dealing with people who annoy you. :)
MGamer, please tell me you're just trolling. If you're actually being serious with your argument, I pity you. You're being absolutely idiotic.
[QUOTE="MgamerBD"][QUOTE="BranKetra"]*Yawn* There is a reason the lines get blurred. It is up to the parents to raise the child. So don't bring a lawful standpoint into this argument because the world does not work that way. Sure it might be illegal but at such an age when a "kid" is living with their parents and is not considered an adult yet I am sure those rules don't apply. The point is he disciplined his child, and agree it was a little excessive but not excessive enough to be called "abuse". I hate when OT becomes so sensitive, if you didn't get disciplined as a child good for you. Some people listen to words, others to pain that is the bottom line.Frame_DraggerYeah, yeah... we get it... your family whipped the **** out of each other and now you have a skewed view. I can't tell you how little I care, or how little the courts seem to care about this judge's conduct. As you're not a judge, nor ever likely to be, your opinions on this only matter for whatever offspring you manage to produce. Just remember that eventually they'll be strong, you'll be old, and the worm turns. I also would like to volunteer to literally whip my name into your flesh if you ever feel the need for further discipline. I'm pretty sure that my children will also be thankful. I'm not gonna beat the living **** out of them. But I'm not gonna be their friend either..."Thanks for beating me for the using the computer pops!" just doesn't sound right.
[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"][QUOTE="MgamerBD"] Yeah, yeah... we get it... your family whipped the **** out of each other and now you have a skewed view. I can't tell you how little I care, or how little the courts seem to care about this judge's conduct. As you're not a judge, nor ever likely to be, your opinions on this only matter for whatever offspring you manage to produce. Just remember that eventually they'll be strong, you'll be old, and the worm turns. I also would like to volunteer to literally whip my name into your flesh if you ever feel the need for further discipline.BranKetraI'm pretty sure that my children will also be thankful. I'm not gonna beat the living **** out of them. But I'm not gonna be their friend either..."Thanks for beating me for the using the computer pops!" just doesn't sound right. Yeah... obviously this girl didn't turn out to be thankful for the beatings either... who'd guess right?
A kid with Cerebral Palsy... a 16 year old girl with CP, so extra defenseless. When you consider that she could... what... call the cops on her judge father? Yeah... that would end well. I'm not surprised she waited to be indipendant before springing this.anyone who thinks "she had it coming" or that theres nothing wrong with it seriously needs to get their morals checked. any physical harm to a defenseless human being especially A KID is just plain wrong.
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Well this (former) teen also has ataxic cerebral palsy so... maybe the normal ability to fend off an abusive parent was absent.Frame_DraggerTrue, but I just think by the time a child hits age 11, the belt should no longer be used no matter how bad they are.
Apparently a large population of OT are stuck in the past. Let's bring back beatings in school too, let the daycare workers slap the children around a little when they make a mess. Because beating mentally handicapped people is alright in our books and doesn't affect the individual at all in the long term amirite?FrostyPhantasmSince she has a mentally handicapped then yes this shouldnt occur. Everyone else needs beatings.
Since she has a mentally handicapped then yes this shouldnt occur. Everyone else needs beatings.[QUOTE="FrostyPhantasm"]Apparently a large population of OT are stuck in the past. Let's bring back beatings in school too, let the daycare workers slap the children around a little when they make a mess. Because beating mentally handicapped people is alright in our books and doesn't affect the individual at all in the long term amirite?deuce4eva
Nope.
"Beatings" only teach your children to fear you and not respect you. Instead of teaching them to not do dangerous/bad things, it's going to teach them to not get caught and to lie about doing them so that they don't get punished. Open communication and other forms of punishment such as time outs which are designed to have parents explain to children why their behavior is unacceptable are what are going to actually teach children, a smack is just going to teach them aggression and how to hide things they've done wrong.
Apparently a large population of OT are stuck in the past. Let's bring back beatings in school too, let the daycare workers slap the children around a little when they make a mess. Because beating mentally handicapped people is alright in our books and doesn't affect the individual at all in the long term amirite?FrostyPhantasmConsidering this took place 7 years ago, I think the whole topic is stuck in the past. It was only brought to light recently. I don't agree with the judge's actions. It was bit much, but still. Just thought that it was worth mentioning.
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