sex is an innate right, so why is prostitution illegal?

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#351 markop2003
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[QUOTE="ZumaJones07"] anyway, in the video there are girls who do say they enjoy their work and it was their choice to do so, so i'm right.

Some do plenty don't. There was a Penn & Teller episode on it which showed one brothel where the girls were basically just college girls trying to temp their way through uni. Plenty of others are trafficed in from Mexico or eastern Europe and are forced to work.[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="ZumaJones07"] anyway, in the video there are girls who do say they enjoy their work and it was their choice to do so, so i'm right.

And yet they still degrade themselves. Oops.

Stop trying to hold the moral high ground, if they want to be hookers then let them be hookers.
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#354 ZumaJones07
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The freedom to degrade yourself is not worth having.SolidSnake35
lol if you feel degraded then you shouldn't be doing it and i'd rather live in a true freedom based country than this fake one we have now
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#355 SolidSnake35
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[QUOTE="markop2003"] Stop trying to hold the moral high ground, if they want to be hookers then let them be hookers.

Stop being so unconcerned with the welfare of others.
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#356 SolidSnake35
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[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="ZumaJones07"]your definition of a decent life is just in your head you know that right? it isn't universal and you're selfish in thinking so.DarkOfKnight
You might be right. Objective morality might be governed by rationality... and I'm definitely rational. ;)

Are you being serious or just saying this stuff because it's fun to trick people into think you actually believe that?

I don't know if I have a strong belief either way.... but I see nothing wrong with being a moral rationalist. Is there?
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#357 ShuLordLiuPei
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The freedom to degrade yourself is not worth having. Too many people on here argue for these so called freedoms and it's sad.SolidSnake35

I have the freedom to go out in front of the dining hall at 11:00 in the morning and ask people to spit on me. That's degrading to me, but it certainly isn't illegal. We can't regulate degradation.

Because you think having sexual freedom is degrading, doesn't mean that other people think that, or that is grounds for making it illegal.

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#359 ZumaJones07
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[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="markop2003"] Stop trying to hold the moral high ground, if they want to be hookers then let them be hookers.

Stop being so unconcerned with the welfare of others.

...hmmm
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#360 SolidSnake35
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[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]The freedom to degrade yourself is not worth having. Too many people on here argue for these so called freedoms and it's sad.ShuLordLiuPei

I have the freedom to go out in front of the dining hall at 11:00 in the morning and ask people to spit on me. That's degrading to me, but it certainly isn't illegal. We can't regulate degradation.

Because you think having sexual freedom is degrading, doesn't mean that other people think that, or that is grounds for making it illegal.

I'd probably try and stop you. Call me crazy but I don't want to live in world where people are spitting on others. >_>
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#361 ShuLordLiuPei
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I'd probably try and stop you. Call me crazy but I don't want to live in world where people are spitting on others. >_>SolidSnake35

Would you propose legislation that bans being asked to spit on in front of dining halls at 11:00 in the morning? Because you find it degrading doesn't mean that it should be illegal. Plenty of people find homosexuality to be degrading, should we go back to banning sodomy? Making it an offense? You're imposing your personal morality (whether you own up to that or not) onto other people.

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#362 ZumaJones07
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I'd probably try and stop you. Call me crazy but I don't want to live in world where people are spitting on others. >_>SolidSnake35
lol
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#363 SolidSnake35
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[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]I'd probably try and stop you. Call me crazy but I don't want to live in world where people are spitting on others. >_>ShuLordLiuPei

Would you propose legislation that bans being asked to spit on in front of dining halls at 11:00 in the morning? Because you find it degrading doesn't mean that it should be illegal. Plenty of people find homosexuality to be degrading, should we go back to banning sodomy? Making it an offense? You're imposing your personal morality (whether you own up to that or not) onto other people.

Is it necessary? If it starts happening, we might need to put a stop to it. Then the OT brigade would roll in and support your right to be spat on... since there aren't better things to support in this world...
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#365 ShuLordLiuPei
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Grasping at straws doesn't work. You can't compare homosexuality to prosititution...that is a little offensive.DarkOfKnight

It's extremely offensive that you would deny women their sexual freedoms. And the situations are comparable.

Prostitution and homosexuality are both acts that many people found or find degrading. They are or were both criminalized, depending on location. One has largely become decriminalized, while one remains largely criminalized. Public perception has changed quite a lot on one, but not the other. I don't think SS35 would ever claim that homosexuality should be banned, because it is degrading, yet he advocates the continued criminalization of prostitution. If we are to impose personal ethical views on what is degrading, then why don't those who find homosexuality degrading get to ban homosexuality?

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#367 ShuLordLiuPei
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It's worse that you keep saying this even though it's not true. Nobodies rights are being violated. What this is about is you making this a sexual rights issue to add power to your cause. .DarkOfKnight
You're telling women (and men) what they can and cannot do in regards to sex. This is by definition a sexual rights issue.

Moreover, you're entirely incorrect that homosexuality is now accepted because one's born that way. It has more to do with that it's harming absolutely no one, other than being "degrading" (or "unnatural" or whatever other word you want to use) in some eyes. Just like prostitution. Essentially, like homosexuality, because some might consider it wrong or degrading, doesn't mean that prostitution should be illegal.

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#369 ZumaJones07
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you can still have sex with whoever, just not as a source of income...DarkOfKnight
that's absurd, why not? just cuz you're not hot enough to do it yourself i bet.
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#370 leviathan91
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You know, after much thought, maybe it should be legal. First off, it's not slavery if the male/female wants to do it. Second, even if they don't enjoy their jobs, who doesn't occasionally not enjoy their jobs whether menial or complex? And third, although it may be morally disgusting, it could bring down human trafficking and disease and it can be better regulated.

Besides, it's all choice, no one is forcing one or the other into doing something they don't want to do.

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#371 Teenaged
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Oh man, DarkofKnight deleted all of his posts in this thread (at least the last few pages).

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#372 SolidSnake35
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Just wait till the guys at school here about this!
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#373 Teenaged
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Just wait till the guys at school here about this!SolidSnake35
Do you still pretend to be the rumour spreader, SS35? >__>

You're not even in the clique.

And dont come sit with us at lunch again.

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#374 SolidSnake35
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[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]Just wait till the guys at school here about this!Teenaged

Do you still pretend to be the rumour spreader, SS35? >__>

You're not even in the clique.

And dont come sit with us at lunch again.

Are you pretending? I can't tell.
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#375 ToastRider11
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Why is porn legal and not prostitution?

xXCombatWombat

Totally different things dude.

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#376 ZumaJones07
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[QUOTE="xXCombatWombat"]

Why is porn legal and not prostitution?

ToastRider11

Totally different things dude.

not really, you sell your body for money. the only difference is on is legal and one isn't.
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#377 Teenaged
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[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]Just wait till the guys at school here about this!SolidSnake35

Do you still pretend to be the rumour spreader, SS35? >__>

You're not even in the clique.

And dont come sit with us at lunch again.

Are you pretending? I can't tell.

I'm not one of your ex's. >__>

Har har har... ahem

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#378 SolidSnake35
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[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]Do you still pretend to be the rumour spreader, SS35? >__>

You're not even in the clique.

And dont come sit with us at lunch again.

Teenaged

Are you pretending? I can't tell.

I'm not one of your ex's. >__>

Har har har... ahem

Sadly for you.
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#379 Teenaged
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[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"] Are you pretending? I can't tell.SolidSnake35

I'm not one of your ex's. >__>

Har har har... ahem

Sadly for you.

rofl

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#380 SolidSnake35
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[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]

I'm not one of your ex's. >__>

Har har har... ahem

Teenaged

Sadly for you.

rofl

Get off the floor...
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#381 Iridionprime
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[QUOTE="ShuLordLiuPei"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]Will supporting prostitution make me edgy?SolidSnake35

It has nothing to do with being edgy. It has to do with allowing women (and men) the right to have free reign over their sexual rights.

The freedom to degrade yourself is not worth having. Too many people on here argue for these so called freedoms and it's sad.

You really are full of yourself aren't ya?

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#382 bub166
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Brah sex is a gift from god made to be used in the context of marriage. Prostitution is a different story and a total mockery of the design of God straight from evil

GameGuy642003

And since this country is supposed to be secular, that's exactly why it shouldn't be illegal. But it's not run with secular intentions anymore, which is why it IS illegal. Although arguments about human trafficking are rather legitimate. Could there possibly be a way to allow prostitution through some sort of license? It seems logical enough to me.

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#383 SolidSnake35
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[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="ShuLordLiuPei"] It has nothing to do with being edgy. It has to do with allowing women (and men) the right to have free reign over their sexual rights.

Iridionprime

The freedom to degrade yourself is not worth having. Too many people on here argue for these so called freedoms and it's sad.

You really are full of yourself aren't ya?

Yes... and food items that aren't a part of me.
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#384 mahlasor
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Because men do not profit from, LMAO!