Romney is the next President

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Both extremes terrify me especially in government.Vuurk

lol making governmental decision based on a 2000 year old book is a lot worse then trying to look after poor people.

You're ignoring the fact that the top tax bracket was taxed at 90% durring the single most prosperous time in US history.

[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]

As long as the current Republican party has any power though this is STILL an issue. Our government in general is full of way too many psychotic religious folk who shouldn't have ANY power over anything. The numerous STUPID comments by different Republicans regarding rape and that one crazy ass who talked about evolution being the devil (once again,another Republican) are proof of how damn crazy that party is now....

musicalmac

I have been given no reason NOT to be dismissive of the current Republican party.

They call themselves conservatives but they wouldn't know what that word meant if the definition was tattoo'd on the back of their hand....

The whole party just needs to be rebuilt. I hoped that after Bush lost that they might get their **** together but they became WAY more insane instead.

I want a Republican party who will actually be conservative when it comes to spending, not some idiots who think conservative means being the biggest asshat of a Christian you can possibly be without being a member of the WBC.

The morons want to focus on holding back peoples rights home (and yes gay marriage not being legalized is just embarassing with the amount of ignorance that is involved in keeping it that way) rather than fix our economy and our God awful healthcare system. They constantly fight AGAINST the middle and lower class yet somehow these morons out there in the general public just eat it up.

Yay more tax breaks for the rich! Yay our healthcare keeps getting more expensive while the Repubs sit there with their thumbs up their ass until of course the Dems try to do something about it then they really hop into action to completely destroy what could have been the most useful piece of legislation put forth since I have been alive.

The 5 year old behavior needs to stop in Congress as well. Just cause someone is from the other party doesn't mean you can't freaking co-operate with them. The fact that these idiots (and yes the Repubs were once again the worst in this department) put party allegiance ahead of the American people they are supposed to be helping is despicable and I feel they should all be voted out for their behavior these last few years since Obama has been in office.

The fact that people like Santorum and Ryan and even Bachman were all in the major runnings for the Republican nomination shows just how bad the party has become.

[QUOTE="Vuurk"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]

lol making governmental decision based on a 2000 year old book is a lot worse then trying to look after poor people.

Guybrush_3

You're ignoring the fact that the top tax bracket was taxed at 90% durring the single most prosperous time in US history.

I have been given no reason NOT to be dismissive of the current Republican party.

They call themselves conservatives but they wouldn't know what that word meant if the definition was tattoo'd on the back of their hand....

The whole party just needs to be rebuilt. I hoped that after Bush lost that they might get their **** together but they became WAY more insane instead.

I want a Republican party who will actually be conservative when it comes to spending, not some idiots who think conservative means being the biggest asshat of a Christian you can possibly be without being a member of the WBC.

The morons want to focus on holding back peoples rights home (and yes gay marriage not being legalized is just embarassing with the amount of ignorance that is involved in keeping it that way) rather than fix our economy and our God awful healthcare system. They constantly fight AGAINST the middle and lower class yet somehow these morons out there in the general public just eat it up.

Yay more tax breaks for the rich! Yay our healthcare keeps getting more expensive while the Repubs sit there with their thumbs up their ass until of course the Dems try to do something about it then they really hop into action to completely destroy what could have been the most useful piece of legislation put forth since I have been alive.

The 5 year old behavior needs to stop in Congress as well. Just cause someone is from the other party doesn't mean you can't freaking co-operate with them. The fact that these idiots (and yes the Repubs were once again the worst in this department) put party allegiance ahead of the American people they are supposed to be helping is despicable and I feel they should all be voted out for their behavior these last few years since Obama has been in office.

The fact that people like Santorum and Ryan and even Bachman were all in the major runnings for the Republican nomination shows just how bad the party has become.

LostProphetFLCL

[QUOTE="Guybrush_3"]

[QUOTE="Vuurk"] That really depends. If you make laws which making stealing a crime (based on 2000 year old book) then that is good policy. If you make laws that tax the wealthy at 90% rates and give it to the poor to try to distribute the wealth evenly and help poor people, then that is terrible policy. You can't just generalize the situation. KC_Hokie

You're ignoring the fact that the top tax bracket was taxed at 90% durring the single most prosperous time in US history.

Why?

[QUOTE="Guybrush_3"]

[QUOTE="Vuurk"] That really depends. If you make laws which making stealing a crime (based on 2000 year old book) then that is good policy. If you make laws that tax the wealthy at 90% rates and give it to the poor to try to distribute the wealth evenly and help poor people, then that is terrible policy. You can't just generalize the situation. KC_Hokie

You're ignoring the fact that the top tax bracket was taxed at 90% durring the single most prosperous time in US history.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="Guybrush_3"]

You're ignoring the fact that the top tax bracket was taxed at 90% durring the single most prosperous time in US history.

Guybrush_3

Why?

Anyone who thinks government has a 'right' to take 51%+ from one group and give to another has a mental issue. Government shouldn't be trying to play Robin Hood. That's not the proper role of government.

National polls don't always paint a very accurate picture. Romney is surely leading in the early vote in all of the deeply red states he was likely to win in the first place, that doesn't mean he is up in battleground states that will actually win the election. That being said, Gallup's numbers have neen outliers for a while now. Reuters tells a different story about the early vote. In any case, things look close nationally, but that ignores the reality of how the electoral college is going to play out. Romney has very few combinations of states that are in play that will allow him to win the electoral college. He needs most of the swing states to break for him, and it isn't likely.

[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]

I have been given no reason NOT to be dismissive of the current Republican party.

They call themselves conservatives but they wouldn't know what that word meant if the definition was tattoo'd on the back of their hand....

The whole party just needs to be rebuilt. I hoped that after Bush lost that they might get their **** together but they became WAY more insane instead.

I want a Republican party who will actually be conservative when it comes to spending, not some idiots who think conservative means being the biggest asshat of a Christian you can possibly be without being a member of the WBC.

The morons want to focus on holding back peoples rights home (and yes gay marriage not being legalized is just embarassing with the amount of ignorance that is involved in keeping it that way) rather than fix our economy and our God awful healthcare system. They constantly fight AGAINST the middle and lower class yet somehow these morons out there in the general public just eat it up.

Yay more tax breaks for the rich! Yay our healthcare keeps getting more expensive while the Repubs sit there with their thumbs up their ass until of course the Dems try to do something about it then they really hop into action to completely destroy what could have been the most useful piece of legislation put forth since I have been alive.

The 5 year old behavior needs to stop in Congress as well. Just cause someone is from the other party doesn't mean you can't freaking co-operate with them. The fact that these idiots (and yes the Repubs were once again the worst in this department) put party allegiance ahead of the American people they are supposed to be helping is despicable and I feel they should all be voted out for their behavior these last few years since Obama has been in office.

The fact that people like Santorum and Ryan and even Bachman were all in the major runnings for the Republican nomination shows just how bad the party has become.

musicalmac

I should have added "while our countries debt grows and programs are cut" part to the taxe breaks thing. I am not anti-wealth or anything, but the fact that these Republicans are continuosly shoving tax breaks only for the upper class while we are drowning in debt and they are trying to cut social programs that peoples wellbeing can be dependant on is disgusting.

No a public option was what we needed at least. They neutered it though.

Really, I feel like we need free general healthcare already. At the very least we need to kill the insurance companies though. They are the biggest scammers in this entire country. All they do is make healthcare cost more....

As for the candidates, I am okay with Obama. He is not God but no one should expect a president to be either. I feel like he could have gotten more accomplished if congress hadn't been so ridiculous. If anything it is our congress I am fed up with more than anything...

When it comes to Romney, he just seems so out of touch with the real world and I don't feel like he CARES to get in touch with the real world. I feel like he will only be doing favors for the wealthy in a time where our middle and lower classes are hurting VERY badly. He is also one of the most fake politicians I have seen and the fact that the man can't seem to have any real stance worries me as you don't know what you are gonna get on alot of things. Him having Ryan as a VP completely terrifies me too and in general I feel like any good part of Romney will be quashed by his own party affiliations.

National polls don't always paint a very accurate picture. Romney is surely leading in the early vote in all of the deeply red states he was likely to win in the first place, that doesn't mean he is up in battleground states that will actually win the election. That being said, Gallup's numbers have neen outliers for a while now. Reuters tells a different story about the early vote. In any case, things look close nationally, but that ignores the reality of how the electoral college is going to play out. Romney has very few combinations of states that are in play that will allow him to win the electoral college. He needs most of the swing states to break for him, and it isn't likely.

rragnaar

And if the democrats loses early voting they lose the election. Romney is going to win the election.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="Guybrush_3"]

You're ignoring the fact that the top tax bracket was taxed at 90% durring the single most prosperous time in US history.

Guybrush_3

Why?

[QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]

I have been given no reason NOT to be dismissive of the current Republican party.

They call themselves conservatives but they wouldn't know what that word meant if the definition was tattoo'd on the back of their hand....

The whole party just needs to be rebuilt. I hoped that after Bush lost that they might get their **** together but they became WAY more insane instead.

I want a Republican party who will actually be conservative when it comes to spending, not some idiots who think conservative means being the biggest asshat of a Christian you can possibly be without being a member of the WBC.

The morons want to focus on holding back peoples rights home (and yes gay marriage not being legalized is just embarassing with the amount of ignorance that is involved in keeping it that way) rather than fix our economy and our God awful healthcare system. They constantly fight AGAINST the middle and lower class yet somehow these morons out there in the general public just eat it up.

Yay more tax breaks for the rich! Yay our healthcare keeps getting more expensive while the Repubs sit there with their thumbs up their ass until of course the Dems try to do something about it then they really hop into action to completely destroy what could have been the most useful piece of legislation put forth since I have been alive.

The 5 year old behavior needs to stop in Congress as well. Just cause someone is from the other party doesn't mean you can't freaking co-operate with them. The fact that these idiots (and yes the Repubs were once again the worst in this department) put party allegiance ahead of the American people they are supposed to be helping is despicable and I feel they should all be voted out for their behavior these last few years since Obama has been in office.

The fact that people like Santorum and Ryan and even Bachman were all in the major runnings for the Republican nomination shows just how bad the party has become.

LostProphetFLCL

I should have added "while our countries debt grows and programs are cut" part to the taxe breaks thing. I am not anti-wealth or anything, but the fact that these Republicans are continuosly shoving tax breaks only for the upper class while we are drowning in debt and they are trying to cut social programs that peoples wellbeing can be dependant on is disgusting.

No a public option was what we needed at least. They neutered it though.

Really, I feel like we need free general healthcare already. At the very least we need to kill the insurance companies though. They are the biggest scammers in this entire country. All they do is make healthcare cost more....

As for the candidates, I am okay with Obama. He is not God but no one should expect a president to be either. I feel like he could have gotten more accomplished if congress hadn't been so ridiculous. If anything it is our congress I am fed up with more than anything...

When it comes to Romney, he just seems so out of touch with the real world and I don't feel like he CARES to get in touch with the real world. I feel like he will only be doing favors for the wealthy in a time where our middle and lower classes are hurting VERY badly. He is also one of the most fake politicians I have seen and the fact that the man can't seem to have any real stance worries me as you don't know what you are gonna get on alot of things. Him having Ryan as a VP completely terrifies me too and in general I feel like any good part of Romney will be quashed by his own party affiliations.

Know what I think that needs to be done? Fire Congress. Entirely.

[QUOTE="Guybrush_3"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Anyone who thinks government has a 'right' to take more than half of anyone's income has a mental disorder. KC_Hokie

Why?

Anyone who thinks government has a 'right' to take 51%+ from one group and give to another has a mental issue. Government shouldn't be trying to play Robin Hood. That's not the proper role of government.

But no one is forcing those people to live in the US, and it's not like they don't have the assets to move.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]

[QUOTE="Guybrush_3"]

Why?

Guybrush_3

Anyone who thinks government has a 'right' to take 51%+ from one group and give to another has a mental issue. Government shouldn't be trying to play Robin Hood. That's not the proper role of government.

But no one is forcing those people to live in the US, and it's not like they don't have the assets to move.

Stealing from one group to give to another is theft via taxation and wrong. Anyone who thinks government should redistriubute wealth via taxation has a mental disorder. As screwed up as the people who claim they talk to God prior to making decisions.

[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]

[QUOTE="musicalmac"] That's naive. It's dangerous to be that dismissive.Vuurk

Obama at least TRIED to put forth health reform but he couldn't do much good with the crappy congress he has. He did the stimulus and it is my understanding that the bail outs had to happen for the stability of the country.

The Repubs have restricted more rights than Obama ever has. I think they were even responsible for the NDAA as they forced that in the budget which HAD to be taken care of.

He definitely hasn't been perfect but he has also had to fight congress tooth and nail which the selfish ass Republicans have been trying to sabotage his Presidency since day one....

[QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]

I have been given no reason NOT to be dismissive of the current Republican party.

They call themselves conservatives but they wouldn't know what that word meant if the definition was tattoo'd on the back of their hand....

The whole party just needs to be rebuilt. I hoped that after Bush lost that they might get their **** together but they became WAY more insane instead.

I want a Republican party who will actually be conservative when it comes to spending, not some idiots who think conservative means being the biggest asshat of a Christian you can possibly be without being a member of the WBC.

The morons want to focus on holding back peoples rights home (and yes gay marriage not being legalized is just embarassing with the amount of ignorance that is involved in keeping it that way) rather than fix our economy and our God awful healthcare system. They constantly fight AGAINST the middle and lower class yet somehow these morons out there in the general public just eat it up.

Yay more tax breaks for the rich! Yay our healthcare keeps getting more expensive while the Repubs sit there with their thumbs up their ass until of course the Dems try to do something about it then they really hop into action to completely destroy what could have been the most useful piece of legislation put forth since I have been alive.

The 5 year old behavior needs to stop in Congress as well. Just cause someone is from the other party doesn't mean you can't freaking co-operate with them. The fact that these idiots (and yes the Repubs were once again the worst in this department) put party allegiance ahead of the American people they are supposed to be helping is despicable and I feel they should all be voted out for their behavior these last few years since Obama has been in office.

The fact that people like Santorum and Ryan and even Bachman were all in the major runnings for the Republican nomination shows just how bad the party has become.

LostProphetFLCL

I should have added "while our countries debt grows and programs are cut" part to the taxe breaks thing. I am not anti-wealth or anything, but the fact that these Republicans are continuosly shoving tax breaks only for the upper class while we are drowning in debt and they are trying to cut social programs that peoples wellbeing can be dependant on is disgusting.

No a public option was what we needed at least. They neutered it though.

Really, I feel like we need free general healthcare already. At the very least we need to kill the insurance companies though. They are the biggest scammers in this entire country. All they do is make healthcare cost more....

As for the candidates, I am okay with Obama. He is not God but no one should expect a president to be either. I feel like he could have gotten more accomplished if congress hadn't been so ridiculous. If anything it is our congress I am fed up with more than anything...

When it comes to Romney, he just seems so out of touch with the real world and I don't feel like he CARES to get in touch with the real world. I feel like he will only be doing favors for the wealthy in a time where our middle and lower classes are hurting VERY badly. He is also one of the most fake politicians I have seen and the fact that the man can't seem to have any real stance worries me as you don't know what you are gonna get on alot of things. Him having Ryan as a VP completely terrifies me too and in general I feel like any good part of Romney will be quashed by his own party affiliations.

Because Nation Wide Early voting actually matters?

Wait no it doesn't, not at all.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]

[QUOTE="Guybrush_3"]

Why?

Guybrush_3

Anyone who thinks government has a 'right' to take 51%+ from one group and give to another has a mental issue. Government shouldn't be trying to play Robin Hood. That's not the proper role of government.

But no one is forcing those people to live in the US, and it's not like they don't have the assets to move.

It feels like it was just yesterday KC was saying Ron Paul would beat Obama. Oh how the time flies.Ace6301

[QUOTE="Guybrush_3"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]People earn their money. Government has no right to take 51%+ percent.

Anyone who thinks government has a 'right' to take 51%+ from one group and give to another has a mental issue. Government shouldn't be trying to play Robin Hood. That's not the proper role of government.

KC_Hokie

But no one is forcing those people to live in the US, and it's not like they don't have the assets to move.

Stealing from one group to give to another is theft via taxation and wrong. Anyone who thinks government should redistriubute wealth via taxation has a mental disorder. As screwed up as the people who claim they talk to God prior to making decisions.

You didn't really address my point and nothing in the constitution says you can't tax people over 50% of their income

[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]

[QUOTE="musicalmac"] A couple things.

Tax breaks for people with a lot of money is not inherently a bad thing. The more we all have in our pockets after we get our paycheck, the better our economy will fair. That includes the wealthy.

That Obamacare plan (even in its original form) doesn't solve the problem the US faces with healthcare, which is, the cost. Obama's health care plan makes as much economic sense than Romney's secret plans for the economy. I am uniquely knowledgeable about this particular issue because of my health care connections.

That being said, I'm not happy with either candidate, which was further confirmed by those... *sigh*.. debates.Laihendi

I should have added "while our countries debt grows and programs are cut" part to the taxe breaks thing. I am not anti-wealth or anything, but the fact that these Republicans are continuosly shoving tax breaks only for the upper class while we are drowning in debt and they are trying to cut social programs that peoples wellbeing can be dependant on is disgusting.

No a public option was what we needed at least. They neutered it though.

Really, I feel like we need free general healthcare already. At the very least we need to kill the insurance companies though. They are the biggest scammers in this entire country. All they do is make healthcare cost more....

As for the candidates, I am okay with Obama. He is not God but no one should expect a president to be either. I feel like he could have gotten more accomplished if congress hadn't been so ridiculous. If anything it is our congress I am fed up with more than anything...

When it comes to Romney, he just seems so out of touch with the real world and I don't feel like he CARES to get in touch with the real world. I feel like he will only be doing favors for the wealthy in a time where our middle and lower classes are hurting VERY badly. He is also one of the most fake politicians I have seen and the fact that the man can't seem to have any real stance worries me as you don't know what you are gonna get on alot of things. Him having Ryan as a VP completely terrifies me too and in general I feel like any good part of Romney will be quashed by his own party affiliations.

Because they are an uneccessary middleman who is making a profit by standing between us and the healthcare. We are paying them just to get acces to the healthcare which is just stupid.

Personally I opted out of my works insurance coverage because it would have just been a waste of my money. After paying them over $100 a month just to cover myself, I would still only be saving $30 on any REGULAR doctors visit I had. If something happened or I required some sort of SPECIAL doctors visit, I would still be shelling out 2 grand before they start helping and then next year that all resets again....

It feels like it was just yesterday KC was saying Ron Paul would beat Obama. Oh how the time flies.Ace6301

I really, REALLY hope Romney doesn't get elected

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="Person0"]Because Nation Wide Early voting actually matters? Wait not it doesn't not at all.Person0

And the democrat will lose if he doesn't win early voting.

I really, REALLY hope Romney doesn't get elected

Lord_Omikron666

I hope so to.

I really, REALLY hope Romney doesn't get elected

Lord_Omikron666

Vuurk

The fact that you don't understand what is meant when someone is talking about "free healthcare" says alot....

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="Guybrush_3"]

You're ignoring the fact that the top tax bracket was taxed at 90% durring the single most prosperous time in US history.

Laihendi

[QUOTE="Lord_Omikron666"]

I really, REALLY hope Romney doesn't get elected

KC_Hokie

Still using history as a justification.:P

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]

[QUOTE="Guybrush_3"]

But no one is forcing those people to live in the US, and it's not like they don't have the assets to move.

Guybrush_3

Stealing from one group to give to another is theft via taxation and wrong. Anyone who thinks government should redistriubute wealth via taxation has a mental disorder. As screwed up as the people who claim they talk to God prior to making decisions.

You didn't really address my point and nothing in the constitution says you can't tax people over 50% of their income

[QUOTE="Lord_Omikron666"]

I really, REALLY hope Romney doesn't get elected

KC_Hokie

again, you're ignoring the fact that there is very little voting going on in most democratic portion of the country.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="Lord_Omikron666"]

I really, REALLY hope Romney doesn't get elected

super600

Still using history as a justification.:P

[QUOTE="Person0"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]The popular vote is always reflected in the electoral college.KC_Hokie

And the democrat will lose if he doesn't win early voting.

[QUOTE="Guybrush_3"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]It's not the proper role of government to play Robin Hood. Government should only enforce laws fairly, uphold the Constitution and protect individual rights.

Stealing from one group to give to another is theft via taxation and wrong. Anyone who thinks government should redistriubute wealth via taxation has a mental disorder. As screwed up as the people who claim they talk to God prior to making decisions.

Vuurk

You didn't really address my point and nothing in the constitution says you can't tax people over 50% of their income

There is no right in any constitution in any state in the world that says that the government is not allowed to tax people for their money.All governments are allowed to tax people for whatever percentage of their money they want.Look at sweden.A lot of their money use to go to the government.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="Lord_Omikron666"]

I really, REALLY hope Romney doesn't get elected

Guybrush_3

again, you're ignoring the fact that there is very little voting going on in most democratic portion of the country.

[QUOTE="Guybrush_3"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]It's not the proper role of government to play Robin Hood. Government should only enforce laws fairly, uphold the Constitution and protect individual rights.

Stealing from one group to give to another is theft via taxation and wrong. Anyone who thinks government should redistriubute wealth via taxation has a mental disorder. As screwed up as the people who claim they talk to God prior to making decisions.

KC_Hokie

You didn't really address my point and nothing in the constitution says you can't tax people over 50% of their income

can you give me a reason why it is objectively bad?

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]

[QUOTE="Person0"] Right now the popular vote seems to be very close, while in key toss up states Obama leads.... So no the national early voters really don't matter.Person0

And the democrat will lose if he doesn't win early voting.

[QUOTE="Lord_Omikron666"]

I really, REALLY hope Romney doesn't get elected

Vuurk

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="Guybrush_3"]

You didn't really address my point and nothing in the constitution says you can't tax people over 50% of their income

Guybrush_3

can you give me a reason why it is objectively bad?