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#51 Squidward117
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3 people have voted for 'fascism'... reveal yourselves.Marx_Brother
Shouldn't there be an Anarchist option in that poll as well?
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#52 yoshi-lnex
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communism doesn't require a dictator.....
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#53 quiglythegreat
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I am of the cynical position that everyone is wrong. Except the Buddhists, who have no fun, so they lose when they're right.
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#54 sped_ed
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communism doesn't require a dictator.....yoshi-lnex
It requires consent and cooperation from everyone living under it; which will never happen.
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#55 delol
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socialist or social-democrat
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#56 quiglythegreat
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[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]communism doesn't require a dictator.....sped_ed
It requires consent and cooperation from everyone living under it; which will never happen.

Well, so does every other government that I know of, to a very large degree. Some more than others.
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#57 yoshi-lnex
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I'm a socialist becouse I believe it provides the greatest freedom, and that it provides the greatest improvements in peoples lives...
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#58 yoshi-lnex
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[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]communism doesn't require a dictator.....sped_ed
It requires consent and cooperation from everyone living under it; which will never happen.

pretty large assumption....humans can cooperate, that has been shown by history.....
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#59 doggy47perfecto
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im so far left that im actually also far right.
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#60 sped_ed
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I'm a socialist becouse I believe it provides the greatest freedom, and that it provides the greatest improvements in peoples lives...yoshi-lnex
The greatest freedom is no government. The lefties want to control your money, those on the right want to control your mind; either way your still a slave.
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#61 delol
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[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]I'm a socialist becouse I believe it provides the greatest freedom, and that it provides the greatest improvements in peoples lives...sped_ed
The greatest freedom is no government. The lefties want to control your money, those on the right want to control your mind; either way your still a slave.

no government means anarchy
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#62 sped_ed
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[QUOTE="sped_ed"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]communism doesn't require a dictator.....yoshi-lnex
It requires consent and cooperation from everyone living under it; which will never happen.

pretty large assumption....humans can cooperate, that has been shown by history.....

Sure it's possible in small groups, but all it takes is one slacker to throw a wrench in the system.
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#63 sped_ed
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[QUOTE="sped_ed"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]I'm a socialist becouse I believe it provides the greatest freedom, and that it provides the greatest improvements in peoples lives...delol
The greatest freedom is no government. The lefties want to control your money, those on the right want to control your mind; either way your still a slave.

no government means anarchy

It sure does but wouldn't it be wonderful?
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#64 quiglythegreat
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[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="sped_ed"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]communism doesn't require a dictator.....sped_ed
It requires consent and cooperation from everyone living under it; which will never happen.

pretty large assumption....humans can cooperate, that has been shown by history.....

Sure it's possible in small groups, but all it takes is one slacker to throw a wrench in the system.

Why would one idle person destroy the system? There are millions in ours, and it somehow operates anyway.
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#65 yoshi-lnex
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[QUOTE="b1gb0y"]

[QUOTE="Taegukki"]Socialism = watered down communism. Right wing ftw.1ND1FF3R3NT

One question, simply why?

Because both socialism and communism promote equality of results rather than equality of opportunity, and the idea is that all decisions should be made for the good of the community (hence "communism"), and all resrouces should be used for improving society (hence "socialism"). It sounds ok in theory, but it deprives individuals of being able to hold and advocate their own beliefs. It ends up harshly penalizing those who make money and rewarding those who do nothing, so that each person achieves the same results. The poor will have no reason to work because they are getting free income, and the rich will have no desire to work because their income is being taken from them. This inevitably leads to the downfall of society.

And in addition to that, it is our duty as American citizens to vote based on what WE believe and want as individuals, for ourselves. Socialism and communism directly contradict that.

That is why people support the right wing, rather than the left wing.

How does an economic system stop people from having opinions? Last time I checked, in a properly built socialism or communism, you do not get money if you are not willing to work.

If anything, it's right wing ideology that seaks to remove individual opinion, far right wing countrys often dealing with decent, in brutal ways hitler anyone) severly cutting back on social freedoms, and allowing the rich to abuse there power and basically turn the general population into slaves.

It's right wing ideologys that take away freedom from the general population.

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#66 yoshi-lnex
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[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="sped_ed"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]communism doesn't require a dictator.....sped_ed
It requires consent and cooperation from everyone living under it; which will never happen.

pretty large assumption....humans can cooperate, that has been shown by history.....

Sure it's possible in small groups, but all it takes is one slacker to throw a wrench in the system.

that's why we have things built into the system to stop that from occuring.....
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#67 delol
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[QUOTE="delol"][QUOTE="sped_ed"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]I'm a socialist becouse I believe it provides the greatest freedom, and that it provides the greatest improvements in peoples lives...sped_ed
The greatest freedom is no government. The lefties want to control your money, those on the right want to control your mind; either way your still a slave.

no government means anarchy

It sure does but wouldn't it be wonderful?

sure did if humans were angels
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#68 sped_ed
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[QUOTE="sped_ed"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="sped_ed"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]communism doesn't require a dictator.....quiglythegreat
It requires consent and cooperation from everyone living under it; which will never happen.

pretty large assumption....humans can cooperate, that has been shown by history.....

Sure it's possible in small groups, but all it takes is one slacker to throw a wrench in the system.

Why would one idle person destroy the system? There are millions in ours, and it somehow operates anyway.

Do you live under communism?
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I'm a socialist becouse I believe it provides the greatest freedom, and that it provides the greatest improvements in peoples lives...yoshi-lnex
Socialist what? Marx-Lenin? Or more Social Democracy?
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#70 sped_ed
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[QUOTE="1ND1FF3R3NT"][QUOTE="b1gb0y"]

[QUOTE="Taegukki"]Socialism = watered down communism. Right wing ftw.yoshi-lnex

One question, simply why?

Because both socialism and communism promote equality of results rather than equality of opportunity, and the idea is that all decisions should be made for the good of the community (hence "communism"), and all resrouces should be used for improving society (hence "socialism"). It sounds ok in theory, but it deprives individuals of being able to hold and advocate their own beliefs. It ends up harshly penalizing those who make money and rewarding those who do nothing, so that each person achieves the same results. The poor will have no reason to work because they are getting free income, and the rich will have no desire to work because their income is being taken from them. This inevitably leads to the downfall of society.

And in addition to that, it is our duty as American citizens to vote based on what WE believe and want as individuals, for ourselves. Socialism and communism directly contradict that.

That is why people support the right wing, rather than the left wing.

How does an economic system stop people from having opinions? Last time I checked, in a properly built socialism or communism, you do not get money if you are not willing to work.

If anything, it's right wing ideology that seaks to remove individual opinion, far right wing countrys often dealing with decent, in brutal ways hitler anyone) severly cutting back on social freedoms, and allowing the rich to abuse there power and basically turn the general population into slaves.

It's right wing ideologys that take away freedom from the general population.

Um, i think you mis read. I said the lefties want oto control your money. Those on the right want to control your mind.
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marxist solcialism.
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#72 quiglythegreat
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[QUOTE="sped_ed"] Do you live under communism?

America is still called a representative democracy with a capitalist economy, though I consider it a hybrid of socialism and capitalism, which is the best system. Minus so much welfare.
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#73 yoshi-lnex
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[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]I'm a socialist becouse I believe it provides the greatest freedom, and that it provides the greatest improvements in peoples lives...sped_ed
The greatest freedom is no government. The lefties want to control your money, those on the right want to control your mind; either way your still a slave.

Using money to create social programs for things like education and health care benefit socioty increasing it's output, and economic the output of the individual, as a result from the taxes, people actually earn more, and socioty improves as well.
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#74 yoshi-lnex
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[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]I'm a socialist becouse I believe it provides the greatest freedom, and that it provides the greatest improvements in peoples lives...LukeAF24
Socialist what? Marx-Lenin? Or more Social Democracy?

somewhere in between......
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#75 sped_ed
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[QUOTE="sped_ed"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]I'm a socialist becouse I believe it provides the greatest freedom, and that it provides the greatest improvements in peoples lives...yoshi-lnex
The greatest freedom is no government. The lefties want to control your money, those on the right want to control your mind; either way your still a slave.

Using money to create social programs for things like education and health care benefit socioty increasing it's output, and economic the output of the individual, as a result from the taxes, people actually earn more, and socioty improves as well.

Maybe so, but it's still stealing and still makes you a slave.
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I teach Right Wing Politics, although I am more near the center the falling off the right edge.LukeAF24
Where do you teach at? I'm hesitant to classify myself. I would say that populism would be closest. I'm more interested in protecting the blue collar working Americans than multinational corporations. However, I'm usually fairly conservative when it comes to foreign policy, national defense, homeland security, military, and since those are some of my greater political concerns I tend to lean right. And finally, I tend to be somewhat libertarian when it comes to social issues (i.e. gay marriage, abortion, etc.), live and let live.
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[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="sped_ed"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]I'm a socialist becouse I believe it provides the greatest freedom, and that it provides the greatest improvements in peoples lives...sped_ed
The greatest freedom is no government. The lefties want to control your money, those on the right want to control your mind; either way your still a slave.

Using money to create social programs for things like education and health care benefit socioty increasing it's output, and economic the output of the individual, as a result from the taxes, people actually earn more, and socioty improves as well.

Maybe so, but it's still stealing and still makes you a slave.

Right, right, so is taxation. You sound like an inarticulate anarchist. I am not a slave if I wish to give up my money for the well being of other people.
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Socialism = watered down communism. Right wing ftw.Taegukki
yup i agree
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[QUOTE="LukeAF24"]I teach Right Wing Politics, although I am more near the center the falling off the right edge.bt_the_great_78
Where do you teach at?

Currently I'm an Asst. Proff. at UW. Once I have my PhD, and get published, I should have an easy time dropping off the Asst., or so they tell me.
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#80 sped_ed
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[QUOTE="sped_ed"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="sped_ed"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]I'm a socialist becouse I believe it provides the greatest freedom, and that it provides the greatest improvements in peoples lives...quiglythegreat
The greatest freedom is no government. The lefties want to control your money, those on the right want to control your mind; either way your still a slave.

Using money to create social programs for things like education and health care benefit socioty increasing it's output, and economic the output of the individual, as a result from the taxes, people actually earn more, and socioty improves as well.

Maybe so, but it's still stealing and still makes you a slave.

Right, right, so is taxation. You sound like an inarticulate anarchist. I am not a slave if I wish to give up my money for the well being of other people.

No you're not a slave if you voluntarily give your money. When you don't have a choice in whether or not you pay is when you become a slave.
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[QUOTE="bt_the_great_78"][QUOTE="LukeAF24"]I teach Right Wing Politics, although I am more near the center the falling off the right edge.LukeAF24
Where do you teach at?

Currently I'm an Asst. Proff. at UW. Once I have my PhD, and get published, I should have an easy time dropping off the Asst., or so they tell me.

Sounds great. How are you enjoying it?
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[QUOTE="sped_ed"] No you're not not a slave if you voluntarily give your money. When you don't have a choice in whether or not you pay is when you become a slave.

...even if you voted for your stance in a fair and democratic election?
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[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="sped_ed"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="sped_ed"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]I'm a socialist becouse I believe it provides the greatest freedom, and that it provides the greatest improvements in peoples lives...sped_ed
The greatest freedom is no government. The lefties want to control your money, those on the right want to control your mind; either way your still a slave.

Using money to create social programs for things like education and health care benefit socioty increasing it's output, and economic the output of the individual, as a result from the taxes, people actually earn more, and socioty improves as well.

Maybe so, but it's still stealing and still makes you a slave.

Right, right, so is taxation. You sound like an inarticulate anarchist. I am not a slave if I wish to give up my money for the well being of other people.

No you're not a slave if you voluntarily give your money. When you don't have a choice in whether or not you pay is when you become a slave.


Slaves are deprived of certain personal freedoms. Even if you voluntarily pay taxes, it's still no different from Socialism.
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[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="sped_ed"] No you're not not a slave if you voluntarily give your money. When you don't have a choice in whether or not you pay is when you become a slave.

...even if you voted for your stance in a fair and democratic election?

Democracy is the tyranny of the majority over the minority, there is nothing fair about that.
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Sounds great. How are you enjoying it?bt_the_great_78
I love it, most of the time. It's tough teaching a disagreeable subject to thousands of kids in one of the most liberal schools in America.
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[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="sped_ed"] No you're not not a slave if you voluntarily give your money. When you don't have a choice in whether or not you pay is when you become a slave.sped_ed
...even if you voted for your stance in a fair and democratic election?

Democracy is the tyranny of the majority over the minority, there is nothing fair about that.

Hence....socialism.....
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[QUOTE="sped_ed"][QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="sped_ed"] No you're not not a slave if you voluntarily give your money. When you don't have a choice in whether or not you pay is when you become a slave.

...even if you voted for your stance in a fair and democratic election?

Democracy is the tyranny of the majority over the minority, there is nothing fair about that.

Excellent. I agree. A hunter gatherer society was far advanced to the ones currently in place.
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#88 sped_ed
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[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="sped_ed"][QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="sped_ed"] No you're not not a slave if you voluntarily give your money. When you don't have a choice in whether or not you pay is when you become a slave.

...even if you voted for your stance in a fair and democratic election?

Democracy is the tyranny of the majority over the minority, there is nothing fair about that.

Excellent. I agree. A hunter gatherer society was far advanced to the ones currently in place.

I don't know what you're agreeing with.
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I am of the cynical position that everyone is wrong. Except the Buddhists, who have no fun, so they lose when they're right.quiglythegreat
Well that's a self-enriching outlook on life. :P
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[QUOTE="bt_the_great_78"]Sounds great. How are you enjoying it?LukeAF24
I love it, most of the time. It's tough teaching a disagreeable subject to thousands of kids in one of the most liberal schools in America.

I can imagine. It sounds like an interesting course, nonetheless. You'd have a hard time even at my school, and I'm in the Deep South. Because even at my college: If you're not burning the flag, not saying the United States sucks, not calling the troops murderers and don't think legalization of marijuana is the most important political issue, you're part of the radical Right.
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#91 Tolwan
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I am a Right Wing Conservative, good ol' republican in the US of A.

If it hasnt been obvious, which i'm sure it has.

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[QUOTE="LukeAF24"][QUOTE="bt_the_great_78"]Sounds great. How are you enjoying it?bt_the_great_78
I love it, most of the time. It's tough teaching a disagreeable subject to thousands of kids in one of the most liberal schools in America.

I can imagine. It sounds like an interesting course, nonetheless. You'd have a hard time even at my school, and I'm in the Deep South. Because even at my college: If you're not burning the flag, saying the United States sucks, calling the troops murderers and don't think legalization of marijuana is the most important political issue, you're part of the radical Right.

The Left is permeated with morons, just as much as the Right, and I am kind of one of those leftist morons. But anyway, Luke, that sounds like a great occupation you've gotten yourself in.
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#93 quiglythegreat
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[QUOTE="sped_ed"] I don't know what you're agreeing with.

You seem to be asserting that the only acceptable government is no government.
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#94 sped_ed
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[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="sped_ed"] I don't know what you're agreeing with.

You seem to be asserting that the only acceptable government is no government.

Yes, and that has nothing to do with hunter-gatherer societys.
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[QUOTE="sped_ed"][QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="sped_ed"] I don't know what you're agreeing with.

You seem to be asserting that the only acceptable government is no government.

Yes, and that has nothing to do with hunter-gatherer societys.

Without government, there would have been nothing else. Government has been essential for the progression of the human race because without it there is little to instigate widespread harmony at all.
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#96 OODALOOP
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The Left is permeated with morons, just as much as the Right, and I am kind of one of those leftist morons. But anyway, Luke, that sounds like a great occupation you've gotten yourself in.quiglythegreat
Honestly, I think it's more of a stage than anything else. Most people in college are just part of that crowd mentality, checking off that inevitable little rebellion against parents, the institution, and country, during their first exposure to politics. Most people don't think about it practically until their well into their career.
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#97 branketra
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[QUOTE="LukeAF24"][QUOTE="bt_the_great_78"]Sounds great. How are you enjoying it?bt_the_great_78
I love it, most of the time. It's tough teaching a disagreeable subject to thousands of kids in one of the most liberal schools in America.

I can imagine. It sounds like an interesting course, nonetheless. You'd have a hard time even at my school, and I'm in the Deep South. Because even at my college: If you're not burning the flag, not saying the United States sucks, not calling the troops murderers and don't think legalization of marijuana is the most important political issue, you're part of the radical Right.

I'm sure the consensus is unanimous. :roll:

I live in the 'deep south' of America-Tennessee, to be frank. What college is this?
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I can imagine. It sounds like an interesting course, nonetheless. You'd have a hard time even at my school, and I'm in the Deep South. Because even at my college: If you're not burning the flag, not saying the United States sucks, not calling the troops murderers and don't think legalization of marijuana is the most important political issue, you're part of the radical Right.bt_the_great_78
I can imagine. I teach 3 classes, that one being the most "extreme", yet the most interesting. Having to talk about ideas people just don't want to hear is somewhat fulfilling.
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#99 Master_Greedo
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Furthest left: People are so equal, and have a very good common sense, so there is no need for government.
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#100 OODALOOP
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[QUOTE="BranKetra"] I'm sure the consensus is unanimous. :roll: I live in the 'deep south' of America-Tennessee, to be frank. What college is this?

College of Charleston. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_of_Charleston