Pentagon seeking $400mil to buy more missile defense systems for Israel

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#1 Posted by frannkzappa (3101 posts) -

This is what happens when you allow public officials to smother the bureaucracy.

#2 Posted by NoAssKicker47 (2847 posts) -

[QUOTE="pie-junior"]

If the US has vested interests in preserving stability and calm in the Israeli-palestinian conflict, it can't stop funding Iron dome. From what I understand, Israel can't maintain the costs of the system (which are enormous, and comprised mostly with Israeli money IIRC) and its operation alone, no matter how comparatively rich it is considering the elected status of its officials and the size of its population, and would opt for a more traditional means of defence (like tanks and planes and stuff). 

I don't want to talk about the relative benefit of the Israeli-american relationship, but if the US continues to maintain aid- Iron dome, on the cutback list, should be absolutely last. I suspect the Pentagon knows that. 

Aljosa23

You know your stuff on Israel and I have little knowledge on it but do you know why the US hasn't done much to stop illegal Israeli settlements on Palestinian land?

Settlement will stop once the Palestinians recognize Israel's right to exist, leading to peace talks.

Opposed to what many believe, Israel does want peace, and it rightfully won't speak to an entity that doesn't recognize its right to exist

#3 Posted by Aljosa23 (24850 posts) -

The Pentagons Missile Defense Agency for the first time in its regular annual budget contains funds to buy additional Iron Dome missile defense systems for Israel, according to documents and an agency spokesman.

The budget requests $220 million for missile batteries in fiscal 2014, which begins Oct. 1, and an additional $175.9 million in fiscal 2015, according to budget documents the Missile Defense Agency posted online last week.

The money, if approved during the annual defense budgetprocess, would be on top of $486 million the White House and Congress have requested or added for the system in recent years after formal budgets were submitted. This includes $211 million added in the defense appropriations bill for this year, which President Barack Obama signed into law last month.

The $220 million request for fiscal 2014 is new money, and it is the first time funding specifically for Iron Dome procurement has been requested in our budget submission, Missile Defense Agency spokesman Richard Lehner said in an e- mail.

House and Senate defense committees last year signaled they wanted to approve spending as much as $680 million on Iron Dome through 2015.

The fiscal 2014 request is a smaller piece of the larger amount and supports the various production lines and schedules to meet the desired goals, Lehner said.

link and more here

Apparently the Iron Dome defense systems are made in Israel by an Israeli company...lol. What terrible spending, smh.

#4 Posted by dave123321 (33996 posts) -
It's times like this when I really lament the loss of shadowmoses
#5 Posted by Aljosa23 (24850 posts) -

It's times like this when I really lament the loss of shadowmoses dave123321
Yeah he was pretty funny. Wouldn't surprise me if he returns eventually.

#6 Posted by jimkabrhel (15417 posts) -

We have to cut funds from education, social programs etc, but we can buy missles for Israel. 

Does not compute.

#7 Posted by sexyweapons (5302 posts) -

I've never understood how Uncle Sam has found an ally in Israel...

#8 Posted by Aljosa23 (24850 posts) -
#9 Posted by SNIPER4321 (10143 posts) -
Israel can have any missile they want. but why countries like Norht Korea and Iran has no rights for Missiles??
#10 Posted by Baranga (14217 posts) -

We have to cut funds from education, social programs etc, but we can buy missles for Israel. 

Does not compute.

jimkabrhel

Buy missiles for Israel, from Israel.

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#11 Posted by frannkzappa (3101 posts) -
#12 Posted by pie-junior (2821 posts) -
The Iron dome missile system is the number one mitigating factor regarding hostilities between Israel and the Hamas. It's probably the leading reason why there wasn't a ground invasion a-la 2008 5 months ago accompanying thousands of palestinian deaths. I don't know how much these facts should factor into the priorities of the white house, but calling it 'terrible spending' is absolutely ridiculous. It's probably the only clearly constructive thing the Obama administration has managed to do in the middle-east.
#13 Posted by Fightingfan (38011 posts) -
You guys don't realize why we must defend Israel. They own our central bank.
#14 Posted by dave123321 (33996 posts) -
Pie-juniors reponse was p. good
#15 Posted by Fightingfan (38011 posts) -
Imagine if we spend money on American infrastructure :O We would actually have nice smooth roads, and probably turn pikes in every city!
#16 Posted by bnarmz (1425 posts) -

So glad the awareness is rising...

#17 Posted by SNIPER4321 (10143 posts) -
You guys don't realize why we must defend Israel. They own our central bank. Fightingfan
They own everything. even white house.
#18 Posted by comp_atkins (31349 posts) -

[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

We have to cut funds from education, social programs etc, but we can buy missles for Israel. 

Does not compute.

Aljosa23

http://money.cnn.com/2013/04/16/news/economy/grants-science-budget-cuts/

So disappointing. Defense systems > health care funding

we need the terrorists to invent cancer bombs or something along those lines... that should juice the cancer-cure research funding with DOD dollars fast enough..
#19 Posted by Aljosa23 (24850 posts) -

The Iron dome missile system is the number one mitigating factor regarding hostilities between Israel and the Hamas. It's probably the leading reason why there wasn't a ground invasion a-la 2008 5 months ago accompanying thousands of palestinian deaths. I don't know how much these facts should factor into the priorities of the white house, but calling it 'terrible spending' is absolutely ridiculous. It's probably the only clearly constructive thing the Obama administration has managed to do in the middle-east.pie-junior
It seems like it in this situation, what with the sequester happening recently and the need for being fiscally responsible. It's not like Israel itself is a poor country and when you look at the aid it receives from the US it could even be argued that they're the 51st state. It's just baffling because Israel provides little if anything to the US and in a healthy relationship both parties should be profitting equally.

#20 Posted by kuraimen (28078 posts) -

Ok so who's gonna put sanctions on the US for weaponizing the entire world? Oh yeah I forgot only the US is allowed to put up sanctions... move along

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#21 Posted by NoAssKicker47 (2847 posts) -

I've never understood how Uncle Sam has found an ally in Israel...

sexyweapons
Read a little into it, it's really not difficult.
#22 Posted by BossPerson (9456 posts) -
[QUOTE="pie-junior"]The Iron dome missile system is the number one mitigating factor regarding hostilities between Israel and the Hamas. It's probably the leading reason why there wasn't a ground invasion a-la 2008 5 months ago accompanying thousands of palestinian deaths. I don't know how much these facts should factor into the priorities of the white house, but calling it 'terrible spending' is absolutely ridiculous. It's probably the only clearly constructive thing the Obama administration has managed to do in the middle-east.

you... and your... "logic and reason" ruining the fun for those on the train
#23 Posted by pie-junior (2821 posts) -

[QUOTE="pie-junior"]The Iron dome missile system is the number one mitigating factor regarding hostilities between Israel and the Hamas. It's probably the leading reason why there wasn't a ground invasion a-la 2008 5 months ago accompanying thousands of palestinian deaths. I don't know how much these facts should factor into the priorities of the white house, but calling it 'terrible spending' is absolutely ridiculous. It's probably the only clearly constructive thing the Obama administration has managed to do in the middle-east.Aljosa23

It seems like it in this situation, what with the sequester happening recently and the need for being fiscally responsible. It's not like Israel itself is a poor country and when you look at the aid it receives from the US it could even be argued that they're the 51st state. It's just baffling because Israel provides little if anything to the US and in a healthy relationship both parties should be profitting equally.

If the US has vested interests in preserving stability and calm in the Israeli-palestinian conflict, it can't stop funding Iron dome. From what I understand, Israel can't maintain the costs of the system (which are enormous, and comprised mostly with Israeli money IIRC) and its operation alone, no matter how comparatively rich it is considering the elected status of its officials and the size of its population, and would opt for a more traditional means of defence (like tanks and planes and stuff). 

I don't want to talk about the relative benefit of the Israeli-american relationship, but if the US continues to maintain aid- Iron dome, on the cutback list, should be absolutely last. I suspect the Pentagon knows that. 

#24 Posted by sexyweapons (5302 posts) -
[QUOTE="sexyweapons"]

I've never understood how Uncle Sam has found an ally in Israel...

NoAssKicker47
Read a little into it, it's really not difficult.

Thats exactly why its confusing me.
#25 Posted by Aljosa23 (24850 posts) -

If the US has vested interests in preserving stability and calm in the Israeli-palestinian conflict, it can't stop funding Iron dome. From what I understand, Israel can't maintain the costs of the system (which are enormous, and comprised mostly with Israeli money IIRC) and its operation alone, no matter how comparatively rich it is considering the elected status of its officials and the size of its population, and would opt for a more traditional means of defence (like tanks and planes and stuff). 

I don't want to talk about the relative benefit of the Israeli-american relationship, but if the US continues to maintain aid- Iron dome, on the cutback list, should be absolutely last. I suspect the Pentagon knows that. 

pie-junior

You know your stuff on Israel and I have little knowledge on it but do you know why the US hasn't done much to stop illegal Israeli settlements on Palestinian land?

#26 Posted by BossPerson (9456 posts) -
Settlements have been a major point of contention between Obama and Bibi for years. Perhaps Bibi just doesn't care about what the US has to say
#27 Posted by sonicare (53465 posts) -

How about they spend that money on schools instead?

#28 Posted by kuraimen (28078 posts) -

[QUOTE="pie-junior"]

If the US has vested interests in preserving stability and calm in the Israeli-palestinian conflict, it can't stop funding Iron dome. From what I understand, Israel can't maintain the costs of the system (which are enormous, and comprised mostly with Israeli money IIRC) and its operation alone, no matter how comparatively rich it is considering the elected status of its officials and the size of its population, and would opt for a more traditional means of defence (like tanks and planes and stuff). 

I don't want to talk about the relative benefit of the Israeli-american relationship, but if the US continues to maintain aid- Iron dome, on the cutback list, should be absolutely last. I suspect the Pentagon knows that. 

Aljosa23

You know your stuff on Israel and I have little knowledge on it but do you know why the US hasn't done much to stop illegal Israeli settlements on Palestinian land?

I always found funny how, after the WMD excuse was found out to be phony, the US justified invading Iraq because it was violating UN sanctions while Israel is the country with more violations than any other... and they help them.
#29 Posted by comp_atkins (31349 posts) -

How about they spend that money on schools instead?

sonicare
pfft.. what's that gonna get us?
#30 Posted by BossPerson (9456 posts) -

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="pie-junior"]

If the US has vested interests in preserving stability and calm in the Israeli-palestinian conflict, it can't stop funding Iron dome. From what I understand, Israel can't maintain the costs of the system (which are enormous, and comprised mostly with Israeli money IIRC) and its operation alone, no matter how comparatively rich it is considering the elected status of its officials and the size of its population, and would opt for a more traditional means of defence (like tanks and planes and stuff). 

I don't want to talk about the relative benefit of the Israeli-american relationship, but if the US continues to maintain aid- Iron dome, on the cutback list, should be absolutely last. I suspect the Pentagon knows that. 

NoAssKicker47

You know your stuff on Israel and I have little knowledge on it but do you know why the US hasn't done much to stop illegal Israeli settlements on Palestinian land?

Settlement will stop once the Palestinians recognize Israel's right to exist, leading to peace talks.

Opposed to what many believe, Israel does want peace, and it rightfully won't speak to an entity that doesn't recognize its right to exist

the head of the PA (who does the negotiating) has recognized their right to exist Its dumb for Israel to keep setting imaginary goal lines for the Palestinians to cross Your late to the party anyways..... Israeli government is now concerned with the Palestinians recognizing their right to exist as a "Jewish State"
#31 Posted by pie-junior (2821 posts) -

[QUOTE="pie-junior"]

If the US has vested interests in preserving stability and calm in the Israeli-palestinian conflict, it can't stop funding Iron dome. From what I understand, Israel can't maintain the costs of the system (which are enormous, and comprised mostly with Israeli money IIRC) and its operation alone, no matter how comparatively rich it is considering the elected status of its officials and the size of its population, and would opt for a more traditional means of defence (like tanks and planes and stuff). 

I don't want to talk about the relative benefit of the Israeli-american relationship, but if the US continues to maintain aid- Iron dome, on the cutback list, should be absolutely last. I suspect the Pentagon knows that. 

Aljosa23

You know your stuff on Israel and I have little knowledge on it but do you know why the US hasn't done much to stop illegal Israeli settlements on Palestinian land?

Short answer- I don't think it can because the settlement movement isn't something the central Israeli government itself can stop. but the subject is so convoluted I can't manage to summarise it into a few readable paragraphs.
#32 Posted by lamprey263 (23540 posts) -
There should be a limit to it, if we give them money to buy SM3s to shoot down an Iranian rocket maybe carrying a nuke is one thing. But if we need to spend hundreds of millions to knock out cheap makeshift PVC rockets then that's something they can do on their own.
#33 Posted by Jebus213 (8782 posts) -

Imagine if we spend money on American infrastructure :O We would actually have nice smooth roads, and probably turn pikes in every city! Fightingfan

 

Giving weapons to Israel>>>>improving infastructure

#34 Posted by 4myAmuzumament (1749 posts) -
seriously, fvck isreal. build your own damn shit.
#35 Posted by kingkong0124 (8710 posts) -

Am fine with this

#36 Posted by Fightingfan (38011 posts) -

[QUOTE="Fightingfan"]Imagine if we spend money on American infrastructure :O We would actually have nice smooth roads, and probably turn pikes in every city! Jebus213

 

Giving weapons to Israel>>>>improving infastructure

True. War creates jobs.
#37 Posted by SaintLeonidas (26170 posts) -

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#38 Posted by SaintLeonidas (26170 posts) -

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#39 Posted by airshocker (29404 posts) -

I'm okay with spending that might actually save lives.

#40 Posted by dangamit (628 posts) -
The US is sucking Israel's dick? Nothing new under the sun...
#41 Posted by Toxic-Seahorse (4125 posts) -
[QUOTE="Jebus213"]

[QUOTE="Fightingfan"]Imagine if we spend money on American infrastructure :O We would actually have nice smooth roads, and probably turn pikes in every city! Fightingfan

 

Giving weapons to Israel>>>>improving infastructure

True. War creates jobs.

No it doesn't, not anymore. Iraq and Afghanistan have done nothing to our unemployment.
#42 Posted by airshocker (29404 posts) -

No it doesn't, not anymore. Iraq and Afghanistan have done nothing to our unemployment.Toxic-Seahorse

Not exactly true. They've kept service members employed,

#43 Posted by BossPerson (9456 posts) -

[QUOTE="Toxic-Seahorse"]No it doesn't, not anymore. Iraq and Afghanistan have done nothing to our unemployment.airshocker

Not exactly true. They've kept service members employed,

there's better examples you could use, such as arms manufacturers
#44 Posted by airshocker (29404 posts) -

there's better examples you could use, such as arms manufacturersBossPerson

My point was made all the same.

#45 Posted by chessmaster1989 (29191 posts) -
Why can't Israel pay for this themselves?
#46 Posted by GrayF0X786 (3850 posts) -

I'm okay with spending that might actually save lives.

airshocker

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#47 Posted by GrayF0X786 (3850 posts) -

it's not like the Zionists controll the banks right.....

#48 Posted by wis3boi (31293 posts) -

Why can't Israel pay for this themselves?chessmaster1989

 

They wanted a better price.

 

 

 

 

 

I'll show myself out.