Obama says students with disabilities have a right to play sports

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#1 Posted by Laihendi (5810 posts) -

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/24/students-disabilities-school-sports-obama_n_2546057.html?utm_hp_ref=impact&ir=Impact

And the liberal mainstream media acts like he is a heroic social progressive for doing so.

This of course completely contradicts the concept of sports being a display of competitive physical athleticism, because the physically disabled are by definition uncompetitive with regards to physical athleticism. Next Obama will likely be saying that the mentally disabled have a right to participate in math and debate teams.

Obviously the disabled should be able to organize and come up with alternative athletic activities for them to participate in, but they shouldn't be used as a tool to undermine competitiveness for those who aren't inhibited by physical disabilities. This is just another example of the government using public schools to push a political agenda.

#2 Posted by DroidPhysX (17089 posts) -
You know in elementary or middle school where you act like you hate a girl to overcompensate the fact that you REALLY like her? The girl is Obama and the guy "hating" her is Laihendi.
#4 Posted by nocoolnamejim (15136 posts) -
For those of us familiar with sports, there are various LEVELS of sports. Varsity, Junior Varsity, Freshman, etc. Essentially, you can compete at different levels based on your ability. But beyond that, we have the regular Olympics and the Special Olympics, which again recognizes that you can have some amazing achievements based on genetic limitations and still not be the best in the world. Sports exist for a variety of purposes. Certainly at the highest levels, it's about competition and showcasing the limits of human physical achievement. But at the high school level it's also often about making friends, learning how to socialize, team behavior, and just plain physical fitness. Mountain meet molehill.
#5 Posted by dave123321 (33756 posts) -
Lai love is scary
#6 Posted by Saturos3091 (14938 posts) -

Do you expect the president, a man in a position that panders to the politically correct for its own benefit, would say otherwise?

And of course they have that right. They shouldn't be excluded from doing what they want to do. The only problem comes in if the sport's rules change, or if the game is impacted in some way. Obviously people with disabilities tend to play in special leagues, which is totally fine. If they're capable of playing in other leagues though, then why not?

#7 Posted by Yusuke420 (2793 posts) -

I saw a news story before a playoff game about a kid who lose a leg due to a nasty knee injury during a high school football game. Rehabed all the way back and threw for a touchdown pass in limited play. No one is saying they should be picked over anyone, but if they can perform at a level high enough to make the team, there's no harm in letting them try out.

#8 Posted by Pirate700 (46465 posts) -

What a coincidence. They are covering this on the local news now. All this is about is making sure there are programs for disabled people. What's the issue?

#9 Posted by Fightingfan (38011 posts) -
As long as they don't hinder the game useless I'm all for it. Example. If some kid in a wheel chair wants to do wrestling, and I'm his opponent what am I suppose to do?
#10 Posted by Pirate700 (46465 posts) -

As long as they don't hinder the game useless I'm all for it. Example. If some kid in a wheel chair wants to do wrestling, and I'm his opponent what am I suppose to do?Fightingfan
They would be in separate programs.

#11 Posted by Fightingfan (38011 posts) -

[QUOTE="Fightingfan"]As long as they don't hinder the game useless I'm all for it. Example. If some kid in a wheel chair wants to do wrestling, and I'm his opponent what am I suppose to do?Pirate700

They would be in separate programs.

I would hope.
#12 Posted by ghoklebutter (19327 posts) -
Well, hey, I'm all for equal opportunity.
#13 Posted by nocoolnamejim (15136 posts) -

[QUOTE="Fightingfan"]As long as they don't hinder the game useless I'm all for it. Example. If some kid in a wheel chair wants to do wrestling, and I'm his opponent what am I suppose to do?Pirate700

They would be in separate programs.

Yeah, basic common sense. Lai's post above is an example of someone arguing with an Obama that doesn't exist. Obama made a reasonable sort of statement that high school sports are a part of the social experience of high school and finding a way for disabled individuals to take part isn't a bad thing and is presenting it like Obama is advocating the end of athletic competition.
#14 Posted by jimkabrhel (15417 posts) -

[insert something promoted by President Obama]

[insert Laihendi's ignorant derisive comments which are laughable, mostly likely dervied from overexposure to right-wing media and inadequate exposure to critical thinking]

Gents and Ladies? There you have a Laihendi thread

#15 Posted by Allicrombie (25122 posts) -
LIES. >.>
#16 Posted by SUD123456 (4410 posts) -

The idiot that is the TC confuses equality of access with equality of outcome.

Not surprisingly TC's threads always have the common denominator of idiocy.

#17 Posted by Zeviander (9503 posts) -
So long as they are included only in non-competitive leagues then all is okay.
#18 Posted by dave123321 (33756 posts) -
Lai, I admire your resilience to criticism
#19 Posted by Aljosa23 (24721 posts) -

I don't see the problem. Why are you against the disabled having rights Laihendi? That's not what the founding fathers preached.

#20 Posted by dave123321 (33756 posts) -
Jim, please tell someone to end the year long tdh suspension
#21 Posted by lamprey263 (23104 posts) -
don't see what the fuss is about, seems like an extension of Title IX from women to the disabled
#22 Posted by nocoolnamejim (15136 posts) -
Jim, please tell someone to end the year long tdh suspension dave123321
I said it wouldn't end well for you.
#23 Posted by SpartanMSU (3440 posts) -

I don't see anything wrong if they have separate programs. If not, then I have a problem with it. Why should a disabled kid get to make the team when someone who was born unathletic not be able to make it? How are they different in respects that they both don't have the necessary athletic abilities/skills to be competative?

#24 Posted by dave123321 (33756 posts) -
I was UPSET
#25 Posted by DroidPhysX (17089 posts) -
Jim, please tell someone to end the year long tdh suspension dave123321
ROFL
#26 Posted by Agent-Zero (6196 posts) -
[QUOTE="dave123321"]Jim, please tell someone to end the year long tdh suspension DroidPhysX
ROFL

What happened?
#27 Posted by nocoolnamejim (15136 posts) -
I was UPSETdave123321
I understand. I...just didn't expect such emotions from you. Nevertheless, I am a good Christian boy who values forgiveness after doing... penance. Say this and I shall appeal to the lord to look mercifully upon you.
#28 Posted by Pirate700 (46465 posts) -

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="dave123321"]Jim, please tell someone to end the year long tdh suspension Agent-Zero
ROFL

What happened?

I'm wondering what they're talking about as well.

#29 Posted by WSGRandomPerson (13693 posts) -
Well, no. I mean, if they want their own separate style of a sport (special Olympics, wheelchair basketball, etc.) then sure. However I don't think we should bring down normal sports for people who are obviously not suited to play in them.
#30 Posted by dave123321 (33756 posts) -
[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="dave123321"]Jim, please tell someone to end the year long tdh suspension Agent-Zero
ROFL

What happened?

Jim ruffled my feathers
#31 Posted by Pirate700 (46465 posts) -

[QUOTE="Agent-Zero"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] ROFLdave123321
What happened?

Jim ruffled my feathers

What does that have to do with TDH?

#32 Posted by dave123321 (33756 posts) -
Anyway You can delete your post where you quoted my offending comment Jim To keep the damage to a minimum Not that it seems like it is anything that is kept hidden
#33 Posted by dave123321 (33756 posts) -

[QUOTE="dave123321"][QUOTE="Agent-Zero"] What happened?Pirate700

Jim ruffled my feathers

What does that have to do with TDH?

This doesn't concern you
#34 Posted by Pirate700 (46465 posts) -

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="dave123321"] Jim ruffled my feathers dave123321

What does that have to do with TDH?

This doesn't concern you

Then why are you discussing it publicly?

#35 Posted by dave123321 (33756 posts) -
That sounded more rude then I intended Sorry
#36 Posted by nocoolnamejim (15136 posts) -
[QUOTE="dave123321"]Anyway You can delete your post where you quoted my offending comment Jim To keep the damage to a minimum Not that it seems like it is anything that is kept hidden

The lord appreciates your apologetic spirit my child.
#37 Posted by Pirate700 (46465 posts) -

That sounded more rude then I intended Sorrydave123321
It's too late. My feelings are crushed.

#38 Posted by Allicrombie (25122 posts) -

[QUOTE="dave123321"]That sounded more rude then I intended SorryPirate700

It's too late. My feelings are crushed.

lol.
#39 Posted by dave123321 (33756 posts) -

[QUOTE="dave123321"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]What does that have to do with TDH?

Pirate700

This doesn't concern you

Then why are you discussing it publicly?

publicness allows my post to reach out to more then one
#40 Posted by Pirate700 (46465 posts) -

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="dave123321"]That sounded more rude then I intended SorryAllicrombie

It's too late. My feelings are crushed.

lol.

:P

#41 Posted by MetalDogGear (806 posts) -
[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]You know in elementary or middle school where you act like you hate a girl to overcompensate the fact that you REALLY like her? The girl is Obama and the guy "hating" her is Laihendi.

Bulbasaur sucks
#42 Posted by VanHelsingBoA64 (5455 posts) -
doesn't laihendi consider disabled people property
#43 Posted by dave123321 (33756 posts) -
doesn't laihendi consider disabled people propertyVanHelsingBoA64
Some of them
#44 Posted by Allicrombie (25122 posts) -
doesn't laihendi consider disabled people propertyVanHelsingBoA64
Django Unchained: OT Edition.
#45 Posted by JohnF111 (14051 posts) -
I like that they are accomodating disabled people more and more and this is brilliant that they are creating more opportunities for team work and sports for them. I mean sports is fun as hell not just a professional business. At university there were two disabled guys in my first year, they had helpers to make sure note were taken and classes were attended, what I didn't know was that they had been through the same year of university FIVE TIMES in a row and never managed to pass and I think there's a time to draw the line and just get them the hell out, that was essentially eight places on that course taken up by two guys who shouldn't have been there., the first year fine, gotta evaluate them to start with so instead of ten its eight places. Moral of the story: Don't try to treat them as equals just because you don't want to upset anyone.
#46 Posted by dave123321 (33756 posts) -
[QUOTE="VanHelsingBoA64"]doesn't laihendi consider disabled people propertyAllicrombie
Django Unchained: OT Edition.

Whis is the django of OT?
#47 Posted by Laihendi (5810 posts) -

The article in the op specifically mentions how one of Obama's special advisers was partially blind during high school so the school made it so that everyone wrestling had to touch each other at all times so that he would not be disadvantaged. If this man gets what he wants then there will just be more changes like that that effect everyone. Sports will be remade in attempt to remove any competitive advantages or disadvantages that anyone in a given group might have.

The reality is that there are simply not enough physically handicapped people who are interested in athletics to create teams for traditional sports for the disabled in most places. That means that if they are going to participate in traditional sports they must be on the same team as the nondisabled. We should end public education and all of these kinds of programs and let people organize on their own and form their own sports teams and make them however they want. The government shouldn't be controlling how children engage in sports.

#48 Posted by jimkabrhel (15417 posts) -

The article in the op specifically mentions how one of Obama's special advisers was partially blind during high school so the school made it so that everyone wrestling had to touch each other at all times so that he would not be disadvantaged. If this man gets what he wants then there will just be more changes like that that effect everyone. Sports will be remade in attempt to remove any competitive advantages or disadvantages that anyone in a given group might have.

The reality is that there are simply not enough physically handicapped people who are interested in athletics to create teams for traditional sports for the disabled in most places. That means that if they are going to participate in traditional sports they must be on the same team as the nondisabled. We should end public education and all of these kinds of programs and let people organize on their own and form their own sports teams and make them however they want. The government shouldn't be controlling how children engage in sports.

Laihendi
Wat do you think about Title IX then?
#49 Posted by BossPerson (9433 posts) -
See its because Ayn Rand hates disabled children, Laihendi loves Ayn Rand, thus Laihendi hates disabled children
#50 Posted by Laihendi (5810 posts) -
[QUOTE="Laihendi"]

The article in the op specifically mentions how one of Obama's special advisers was partially blind during high school so the school made it so that everyone wrestling had to touch each other at all times so that he would not be disadvantaged. If this man gets what he wants then there will just be more changes like that that effect everyone. Sports will be remade in attempt to remove any competitive advantages or disadvantages that anyone in a given group might have.

The reality is that there are simply not enough physically handicapped people who are interested in athletics to create teams for traditional sports for the disabled in most places. That means that if they are going to participate in traditional sports they must be on the same team as the nondisabled. We should end public education and all of these kinds of programs and let people organize on their own and form their own sports teams and make them however they want. The government shouldn't be controlling how children engage in sports.

jimkabrhel
Wat do you think about Title IX then?

Education and recreation should not receive federal funding anyways so the fact that Title IX is even relevant is a problem.