is there a god?

sorry guys, another religion post (this is my first one)

anyway... do you think there is, or do you not? and why?

Stumpt25

Yup, his names jesus and he rocks.   

[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="crude_darkness"][QUOTE="KiIIyou"][QUOTE="crude_darkness"]

yes

when you see any object just ask the question, "where did it come from?" and keep doing that and you will reach the conclusion that something doesn't come from nothing.

ZeRo-ZeN

off course not. God is a being that doesn't limit himself with the laws that he created for his own beings that where also created by him.

[QUOTE="ZeRo-ZeN"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="crude_darkness"][QUOTE="KiIIyou"][QUOTE="crude_darkness"]

yes

when you see any object just ask the question, "where did it come from?" and keep doing that and you will reach the conclusion that something doesn't come from nothing.

yoshi-lnex

off course not. God is a being that doesn't limit himself with the laws that he created for his own beings that where also created by him.

The same argument could be made for multiple gods, and gods that you do not believe in, right? So are you saying that Islam, Christianity ,hinduism and budhism are all equally valid based upon this reasoning?

yoshi-lnex

I'm a Muslim, just to let you in the know. And when I'm talking about God, I'm talking about him as conceived in my religion.

I'm talking about one God that created all the Beings. Other religions might call him something else, But whatever you call him as long as you believe that he is one, that would fit in with my argument.

about the multiple Gods.... In Islam, Allah says in the Quran (Edit: I can't remember the exact wording) that if there where many Gods then there will be Chaos because multiple Gods means multiple powers.

[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]

The same argument could be made for multiple gods, and gods that you do not believe in, right? So are you saying that Islam, Christianity ,hinduism and budhism are all equally valid based upon this reasoning?

crude_darkness

I'm a Muslim, just to let you in the know. And when I'm talking about God, I'm talking about him as conceived in my religion.

I'm talking about one God that created all the Beings. Other religions might call him something else, But whatever you call him as long as you believe that he is one, that would fit in with my argument.

about the multiple Gods.... In Islam, Allah says in the Quran (Edit: I can't remember the exact wording) that if there where many Gods then there will be Chaos because multiple Gods means multiple powers.

That makes a lot of sense.
quiglythegreat

Sorry if my explanation is a little confusing for you. that would be because English is my second language.

But you should be confused when someone tries to prove that everything comes from nothing. 

[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"]That makes a lot of sense.
crude_darkness

Sorry if my explanation is a little confusing for you. that would be because English is my second language.

But you should be confused when someone tries to prove that everything comes from nothing.

Yes, I do believe there is a God.

And don't say "prove that God exists" then because someone can just easily counter that and say "prove that God doesn't exist"

Oh ya, so you believe that we came from a radioactive single cell that was made from rain hitting some kind of unknown or poisonouse gas.Hatiko

Either you're undermining science, or your scientific knowledge is very feeble.

Whatever the case, your post left its conviction at home.

There is a God.

There is a God.

RogerC44

Link? :) 

Persoanlly, I believe that if one must believe in a supreme being overseeing them, they are weak individuals. Matthew_Kaeser

[QUOTE="RogerC44"]

There is a God.

PaintballinDude

Link? :)

[QUOTE="Matthew_Kaeser"] Persoanlly, I believe that if one must believe in a supreme being overseeing them, they are weak individuals. ZeRo-ZeN

Elaboration much?

here we go again, whyyyy? :cry:

Yes there is ONE God :)

iammai

I feel your pain man :).

[QUOTE="ZeRo-ZeN"][QUOTE="Matthew_Kaeser"] Persoanlly, I believe that if one must believe in a supreme being overseeing them, they are weak individuals. luke1889

Elaboration much?

I agree I think people that have to live they're life's thinking they are slaves to a god that will not show himself to us or prove to us that he exists is somewhat weak, it is very convenient that god does not do any tricks anymore now that we have methods of recording them.

[QUOTE="luke1889"]

[QUOTE="ZeRo-ZeN"][QUOTE="Matthew_Kaeser"] Persoanlly, I believe that if one must believe in a supreme being overseeing them, they are weak individuals. mark4091

Elaboration much?

I agree I think people that have to live they're life's thinking they are slaves to a god that will not show himself to us or prove to us that he exists is somewhat weak, it is very convenient that god does not do any tricks anymore now that we have methods of recording them.

i believe in God yet how im i weak.  see, you are sterotyping everyone who believes in God to be ignorant. this is the mistake that many athiests make.  although some religious people are blind to reason, many more are intelligent and have some common sense.  I would not consider myself a slave to God, but i do worship him.  as for proof you have the Bible and all of what you see around you

Id like to believe that there is a god. its such a warm feeling to think we are in the hands of some higher being who loves us. But just because i want there to be one doesnt mean there is one. I am extreamly open to the idea of god but unfortunately i think all these man made gods arnt real(the evidence is overwhelming). i think these old books belittle what god would be if there is one. if people would cure their ignorance and study these man made gods we might be on the right track to find who god really is.Evolving_Jesus

wow, you are a giant hypocrite.  if you are so open to a God, then why do you constantly mock people who are religious?  ive seen many of your prievious posts and all you do is insult religious people, especially Christians.  you are honestly act no better than a racist, because you constantly belittle a specific group of people regardless of what you know about them.  as for your argument, the same can be said about athiests. many people these days lack direction, so they turn to society to find the anwsers, and today it often results in believing in no god.  also, how do you know this "overwhelming" evidence is true.  science is constantly changing and what we discover today might be false tomorrow.  honestly, ive never figured out how science has proved religion wrong.  if you misinterpret it, yes it results in "proving" that their is no god, even if it really doesn't.

if you are so open to a God, then why do you constantly mock people who are religious?  ive seen many of your prievious posts and all you do is insult religious people, especially Christians. jackelhunter

[QUOTE="jackelhunter"]if you are so open to a God, then why do you constantly mock people who are religious?  ive seen many of your prievious posts and all you do is insult religious people, especially Christians. Evolving_Jesus

yes they were eyewitnesses, that's what the gospels were.  even if they were written down much later doesn't mean that they weren't seen at that time.  like i said before, we are always discovering new things, so who knows what we may find out next.  honestly the Bible was not meant to be a book that explained every event in detail.  it was meant to show God's love for us, by showing us those times.  why do you keep saying "man-made gods"?  just because men wrote it down doesn't mean its not the word of God.  look, im not trying to convert you, but what im trying to do is prove your biased posts wrong.  many people are ignorent to Christianity, and things that they can't explain in general, so they mock it.

i was a christian for 25 years...Evolving_Jesus

do you really expect me to believe that?  you honestly act like an immature little kid who is constantly biased against religion, and has little knowledge of Christianity in general.  you always find some way to dodge what i say.

yes they were eyewitnesses, that's what the gospels were. even if they were written down much later doesn't mean that they weren't seen at that time. like i said before, we are always discovering new things, so who knows what we may find out next. honestly the Bible was not meant to be a book that explained every event in detail. it was meant to show God's love for us, by showing us those times. why do you keep saying "man-made gods"? just because men wrote it down doesn't mean its not the word of God. look, im not trying to convert you, but what im trying to do is prove your biased posts wrong. many people are ignorent to Christianity, and things that they can't explain in general, so they mock it.

jackelhunter

What makes you so certain that the bible is correct? Your argument is based on the assumption that the bible is correct. Just remember it is a 2000 year old book. Imagine trying to cite a 2000 year old book in a science article, or anything intelligent for that matter.

If the bible says that christ was ressurected and rose to heaven, and that plenty of people saw it... what does that prove? Nothing. There are no other sources to support it. What if we were to take some other ancient fable as the basis of a religion. Same situation...

[QUOTE="Evolving_Jesus"]i was a christian for 25 years...jackelhunter

do you really expect me to believe that?  you honestly act like an immature little kid who is constantly biased against religion, and has little knowledge of Christianity in general.  you always find some way to dodge what i say.

[QUOTE="jackelhunter"]

yes they were eyewitnesses, that's what the gospels were. even if they were written down much later doesn't mean that they weren't seen at that time. like i said before, we are always discovering new things, so who knows what we may find out next. honestly the Bible was not meant to be a book that explained every event in detail. it was meant to show God's love for us, by showing us those times. why do you keep saying "man-made gods"? just because men wrote it down doesn't mean its not the word of God. look, im not trying to convert you, but what im trying to do is prove your biased posts wrong. many people are ignorent to Christianity, and things that they can't explain in general, so they mock it.

Baselerd

What makes you so certain that the bible is correct? Your argument is based on the assumption that the bible is correct. Just remember it is a 2000 year old book. Imagine trying to cite a 2000 year old book in a science article, or anything intelligent for that matter.

If the bible says that christ was ressurected and rose to heaven, and that plenty of people saw it... what does that prove? Nothing. There are no other sources to support it. What if we were to take some other ancient fable as the basis of a religion. Same situation...

you have to relize that people in those days were not as smart as us.  in fact in the gospels, they laughed at Jesus when he said he rose the dead untill he proved them wrong.  they did not need all of the overwhelming evidence that we require today, because their technology was much more primitive.  how do you know religion is some ancient fable? people always say religion is a bunch of fairy tales. may i ask why?  just because we can't prove it today doesn't mean we can't prove it tomorrow.  the Bible was never meant to be a science book, it leaves the choice to believe in God to you.  i accept the fact that people don't believe in the Bible and that's ok.  but what is wrong is saying that the Bible is false when we do not know everything about our world.  its very arrogent to think that so i don't believe that.  like ive said before, we are always discovering new things.

[QUOTE="jackelhunter"]

[QUOTE="Evolving_Jesus"]i was a christian for 25 years...Evolving_Jesus

do you really expect me to believe that?  you honestly act like an immature little kid who is constantly biased against religion, and has little knowledge of Christianity in general.  you always find some way to dodge what i say.

im sorry, its just that from the way you act it just doesn't make any sense.  so far nothing science has said has proven the Bible and Christianity wrong.  i personally believe they can go along well together.

just because we can't prove it today doesn't mean we can't prove it tomorrow. .jackelhunter

[QUOTE="jackelhunter"]just because we can't prove it today doesn't mean we can't prove it tomorrow. .Evolving_Jesus

i personally don't believe in those other Gods.  the problem is that i don't know enough about those religions to have a well conceived argument to refute them so i can't really say anything.  you always say invisible God.  your right we can't see him so everyone becomes doubtful of his existance and misinterpret our findings as proof against his existance.  you seriously aren't any better than a religious fanatic because you seem so desprete to prove religion wrong.  why?  your opinions are extremely biased and you always find some way of proving religion wrong.  why are you so desprete, do you have something to prove?  all your doing is putting negative critisism of Christianity to get people on your side, and get people to disprove through biased opinions and statements.

the problem is that i don't have a well conceived argument to refute them so i can't really say anything.  jackelhunter

[QUOTE="jackelhunter"]the problem is that i don't have a well conceived argument to refute them so i can't really say anything.  Evolving_Jesus

see you are saying im unintelligent just because i dont know a lot about other religions.  i am a very well educated person.  you instead steorotype me as an unintelligent person just because im Christian.  you are no better than a racist. why? because you consistantly mock a group of people whether you know who they are or not.  you are incredibly prejudiced against Christians and you can't admit that.  you don't even know me and yet you say im unintelligent.  you sir are pathetic.

as for your argument you forgot about the rest of the passage it says if your brother or mother or close friend or relative intices you, you should do that.  God is not only loving and caring but he is also a vengeful god.  ill have to ask someone who knows more about Christianity to find out more about the meaning of that passage.  finding the true meaning of a certain passage of the Bible can be very difficult.

Deuteronomy 13 You shall KILL anyone who believes in another god other then your own, you shall STONE him to DEATH!!! there you go, your "loving, caring, FORGIVING" god commands you to KILL THEM!!!Evolving_Jesus

Taken out of context. It says if there is someone from among your jewish tribe who tries to lead you away from God to believe in some other false god(s), then you should kill them. Dude, God is basically saying that if someone tries to screw you over and get you sent to hell for ETERNITY after God just saved you from pharoah, that it's best to kill them. I'd have to agree.

[QUOTE="Evolving_Jesus"]Deuteronomy 13 You shall KILL anyone who believes in another god other then your own, you shall STONE him to DEATH!!! there you go, your "loving, caring, FORGIVING" god commands you to KILL THEM!!!DiaperMan2

Taken out of context. It says if there is someone from among your jewish tribe who tries to lead you away from God to believe in some other false god(s), then you should kill them. Dude, God is basically saying that if someone tries to screw you over and get you sent to hell for ETERNITY after God just saved you from pharoah, that it's best to kill them. I'd have to agree.

i agree, much better worded than what i said.

im sorry, its just that from the way you act it just doesn't make any sense. so far nothing science has said has proven the Bible and Christianity wrong. i personally believe they can go along well together.

jackelhunter

I believe in a God largely because of science. Every new fact that is revealed by science is just another miracle of God. It's incredible how insanely detailed and intricate everything in this universe is, from the single celled organisms to the billions of galaxies that span this universe.DiaperMan2

I had a previous post on this matter.