I hate Wars

I actually like AP.

Her childlike naivety is refreshing. And to be honest, we do have the capacity to end war if we wanted to.

Ilovegames1992

AP just ended that dude.

Win :lol:

You hate wars?

That's a funny sentiment...

Neccesity is the mother of invention. War is the greatest neccesity.

Like it or not, but war is in our basic nature. We are a violent species.

And we have advanced quite a lot thanks to war, BTW. Some even argue that if not for the neverending warfare to root out the waek and the lame, we would have never advanced to the point we are now.

AP just ended that dude.

Win :lol:

Ilovegames1992

[QUOTE="Mega-Mustaine"]

[QUOTE="AussieePet"] They are possibilities of what i would like to happen. AussieePet

And I'd like to have a magical pony, but we all don't get what we like. You're going to have to grow up and realize the world isn't sunshine and rainbows.

My interests do not reflect how I view the world.

You, however, have the mentality of a 5 year old. Things aren't and will never be as simple as you want them to be.

You hate wars?

That's a funny sentiment...

Neccesity is the mother of invention. War is the greatest neccesity.

Like it or not, but war is in our basic nature. We are a violent species.

And we have advanced quite a lot thanks to war, BTW. Some even argue that if not for the neverending warfare to root out the waek and the lame, we would have never advanced to the point we are now.

Zyamaman

[QUOTE="AussieePet"][QUOTE="Mega-Mustaine"]

And I'd like to have a magical pony, but we all don't get what we like. You're going to have to grow up and realize the world isn't sunshine and rainbows.

Mega-Mustaine

My interests do not reflect how I view the world.

You, however, have the mentality of a 5 year old. Things aren't and will never be as simple as you want them to be.

[QUOTE="TehFuneral"]

Why does OT has to deal with crap like this thread?

AussieePet

Because cute girls like yourself have no reason to talk about war.

I expected you to do stuff like dress, paint, or nickname animals or something like that.

[QUOTE="Mega-Mustaine"]

[QUOTE="AussieePet"] Judging by your icon you have no right to tell me about the world isn't sunshine and rainbows AussieePet

My interests do not reflect how I view the world.

You, however, have the mentality of a 5 year old. Things aren't and will never be as simple as you want them to be.

Please elaborate, because at this point it wouldn't surprise me if you didn't even know what a hypocrite was.

[QUOTE="AussieePet"][QUOTE="TehFuneral"]

Why does OT has to deal with crap like this thread?

TehFuneral

Because cute girls like yourself have no reason to talk about war.

I expected you to do stuff like dress, paint, or nickname animals or something like that.

I actually like AP.

Her childlike naivety is refreshing. And to be honest, we do have the capacity to end war if we wanted to.

Ilovegames1992

[QUOTE="AussieePet"][QUOTE="Mega-Mustaine"]

My interests do not reflect how I view the world.

You, however, have the mentality of a 5 year old. Things aren't and will never be as simple as you want them to be.

Mega-Mustaine

Please elaborate, because at this point it wouldn't surprise me if you didn't even know what a hypocrite was.

[QUOTE="Mega-Mustaine"]

[QUOTE="AussieePet"] Thats what they all say. You seem like a hypocrite AussieePet

Please elaborate, because at this point it wouldn't surprise me if you didn't even know what a hypocrite was.

Well, you've definitely left me impressed.

But I fail to see how I'm a hypocrite by telling you your chilidish views are ridiculous and naive.

Well if humans don't keep evolving throughout time, then war will keep going on for as long as humanity exists. It is infact human nature. We all have the imperfections of lust, greed, hatred, etc. Nobody can escape these things, no matter your intellectual level/capacity to understand the problem.

If you kill my family, be sure I'll retaliate, even possibly kill you, hence hatred. If you had money, you have the chance of corruption and "wanting more money," hence greed. If you were jealous of a person because they are in an intimate relationship with a person you desire deeply, you have the chance to inflict suffering to that person or all people involved in the situation, hence lust.

It's all sad but true. That's why you hear the saying "nobody is perfect."

It's sad, but if you don't consider morals and such, going to war makes sense.

[QUOTE="AussieePet"][QUOTE="Mega-Mustaine"]

Please elaborate, because at this point it wouldn't surprise me if you didn't even know what a hypocrite was.

Mega-Mustaine

Well, you've definitely left me impressed.

But I fail to see how I'm a hypocrite by telling you your chilidish views are ridiculous and naive.

[QUOTE="Mega-Mustaine"]

[QUOTE="AussieePet"] Thats what they all say. You seem like a hypocrite AussieePet

Please elaborate, because at this point it wouldn't surprise me if you didn't even know what a hypocrite was.

I find it find it funny you bring up Call of Duty and Battlefield...depending I hate battlefield and rarely play COD. My interest in war started in the 90's way before those even came out. For a long time the technology and strategy behind war has interested me, more so the air craft. The one thing that got me to was how leaders were able to get people to back war and willingly die for a cause, this starts with World War 2. The minds of those men is interesting to say the least, I admire how they were able to brainwash so many into walking to their deaths, something I wish I could match.DarkOfKnight

Quite possibly the most dangerous and disgusting post I have ever read. BTW brainwashing individuals to join a war effort has been going on much longer than WW2.

Yeah but wars settle nothing,

Oh?

Wars settle everything, my child.

Wars have been settling the geopolitical map of this planet since the dawn of civilization. Earlier, probably.

It was war that have brought the Western civilization out of the oppressive shackles of feudalism and autocracy.

It is only thanks to the atrocities of the Second World War that even have the concept of human rights...

wars never END

And your toenails will never stop growing. That's not a reason to stop cutting them.

it will always be a matter to have a war even over the smallest things ,

Wars happen when one side thinks that outcome of not going to war would be even wars than the war itself.

Not all of them were mistaken. Those are not the "smallest" things, I assure you...

what are some examples that we all as a whole advanced a lot because of wars?

Off the top of my head - medical ultrasound and teflon. Both began their existance as technology of direct military application.

AussieePet

I don't think there is anyone that likes war. The people that do are a very minute minority.

[QUOTE="Mega-Mustaine"]

[QUOTE="AussieePet"] It is someone who professes to be against something then they go and do what they are against.Like Mormons don't like drinking but someone high in the church grows barley for beer. That man is a Hypocrite. Which is you . AussieePet

Well, you've definitely left me impressed.

But I fail to see how I'm a hypocrite by telling you your chilidish views are ridiculous and naive.

Are you fvcking serious?

I told you in a previous post that my interests do not reflect my views on the world. If I like MLP, that means I think the way you do? If I like Spongebob, does the mean I think there are actually sea creatures that talk and interact like regular human beings? No, because it's ridiculous and based on a work of fiction.

I suggest you educate yourself a little better on some wars and how they started rather than making threads displaying your ignorance.

[QUOTE="AussieePet"]Yeah but wars settle nothing,

Oh?

Wars settle everything, my child.

Wars have been settling the geopolitical map of this planet since the dawn of civilization. Earlier, probably.

It was war that have brought the Western civilization out of the oppressive shackles of feudalism and autocracy.

It is only thanks to the atrocities of the Second World War that even have the concept of human rights...

wars never END

And your toenails will never stop growing. That's not a reason to stop cutting them.

it will always be a matter to have a war even over the smallest things ,

Wars happen when one side thinks that outcome of not going to war would be even wars than the war itself.

Not all of them were mistaken. Those are not the "smallest" things, I assure you...

what are some examples that we all as a whole advanced a lot because of wars?

Off the top of my head - medical ultrasound and teflon. Both began their existance as technology of direct military application.

Zyamaman

The concept of human rights were being discussed during The Enlightenment and even earlier than that.

You hate wars?

That's a funny sentiment...

Neccesity is the mother of invention. War is the greatest neccesity.

Like it or not, but war is in our basic nature. We are a violent species.

And we have advanced quite a lot thanks to war, BTW. Some even argue that if not for the neverending warfare to root out the waek and the lame, we would have never advanced to the point we are now.

Zyamaman

There were plenty of people in the 1930's longing for an atomic bomb...

What a highly intellectually stimulating arguement going on here

:suzy:

Most people who glorify war had never had war in their country. That's why normally europeans are against war but americans are pro war. Europeans really know what it is to have bombs dropping on top of their homes, or at least they have the memory more fresh.kuraimen

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]Most people who glorify war had never had war in their country. That's why normally europeans are against war but americans are pro war. Europeans really know what it is to have bombs dropping on top of their homes, or at least they have the memory more fresh.SF_KiLLaMaN

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]Most people who glorify war had never had war in their country. That's why normally europeans are against war but americans are pro war. Europeans really know what it is to have bombs dropping on top of their homes, or at least they have the memory more fresh.SF_KiLLaMaN

Many politicians are pro war and there have been people in this very thread who have professed a love of war.

The concept of human rights were being discussed during The Enlightenment and even earlier than that.

eggdog1234

Yes, I'm aware of that.

It's just that no one felt the need to do anything about it until it got as bad as it was during WWII. That war was the catalyst for the world-wide recognition of the need for an international legislation.

There were plenty of people in the 1930's longing for an atomic bomb...

Ilovegames1992

And can you say they were that wrong.

If not for the nuclear deterrent, the chances of a third world war right after the second one ended would have been much higher...

What a highly intellectually stimulating arguement going on here

:suzy:

DroidPhysX

[QUOTE="SF_KiLLaMaN"][QUOTE="kuraimen"]Most people who glorify war had never had war in their country. That's why normally europeans are against war but americans are pro war. Europeans really know what it is to have bombs dropping on top of their homes, or at least they have the memory more fresh.Crunchy_Nuts

[QUOTE="SF_KiLLaMaN"][QUOTE="kuraimen"]Most people who glorify war had never had war in their country. That's why normally europeans are against war but americans are pro war. Europeans really know what it is to have bombs dropping on top of their homes, or at least they have the memory more fresh.eggdog1234

Many politicians are pro war and there have been people in this very thread who have professed a love of war.

[QUOTE="eggdog1234"]

[QUOTE="SF_KiLLaMaN"] No one is pro war. It's stupid to say so. SF_KiLLaMaN

Many politicians are pro war and there have been people in this very thread who have professed a love of war.

I disagree. Of course politicians aren't going to say they like war, they probably don't even really want war if they can avoid it, but they sure as hell don't hate it. Some people just don't give a crap, 100% I know for a fact there are people that love war.

Nope. Name one politician that has said they like war. Please do it. People may support waging a war when they think there is no other option to get a desired outcome, but if it came down to it, they would rather not kill people to get what they want. Also, being fascinated in how war works does not mean they love war. War is fascinating to many because it is a completely different experience than what most people are used to. You can never truly understand what war is like until you're in one.

SF_KiLLaMaN

LBJ, FDR, Hitler Franco, Jose Antonio Primo de Rivera, Stalin, Churchill, The Shah, Saddam, GWB, Clinton, Ashcroft, Hoover, Madison, Hamilton, Nixon off the top of my head. Loving war and being pro war are two different things that overlap.

[QUOTE="SF_KiLLaMaN"]

[QUOTE="eggdog1234"]

Many politicians are pro war and there have been people in this very thread who have professed a love of war.

Jolt_counter119

I disagree. Of course politicians aren't going to say they like war, they probably don't even really want war if they can avoid it, but they sure as hell don't hate it. Some people just don't give a crap, 100% I know for a fact there are people that love war.

[QUOTE="SF_KiLLaMaN"]

Nope. Name one politician that has said they like war. Please do it. People may support waging a war when they think there is no other option to get a desired outcome, but if it came down to it, they would rather not kill people to get what they want. Also, being fascinated in how war works does not mean they love war. War is fascinating to many because it is a completely different experience than what most people are used to. You can never truly understand what war is like until you're in one.

eggdog1234

LBJ, FDR, Hitler Franco, Jose Antonio Primo de Rivera, Stalin, Churchill, The Shah, Saddam, GWB, Clinton, Ashcroft, Hoover, Madison, Hamilton, Nixon off the top of my head. Loving war and being pro war are two different things that overlap.

It's just that no one felt the need to do anything about it until it got as bad as it was during WWII. That war was the catalyst for the world-wide recognition of the need for an international legislation.

Zyamaman

There were plenty of political debates on colonization, prior to WW2 and the creation of the UN, that were international in scale. WW2 was a catalyst for the US to create an international body that provides legislation not a world-wide recognition for its need.

[QUOTE="Zyamaman"]

It's just that no one felt the need to do anything about it until it got as bad as it was during WWII. That war was the catalyst for the world-wide recognition of the need for an international legislation.

eggdog1234

There were plenty of political debates on colonization, prior to WW2 and the creation of the UN, that were international in scale. WW2 was a catalyst for the US to create an international body that provides legislation not a world-wide recognition for its need.

And how does that conflict with what I said?

[QUOTE="eggdog1234"]

[QUOTE="SF_KiLLaMaN"]

Nope. Name one politician that has said they like war. Please do it. People may support waging a war when they think there is no other option to get a desired outcome, but if it came down to it, they would rather not kill people to get what they want. Also, being fascinated in how war works does not mean they love war. War is fascinating to many because it is a completely different experience than what most people are used to. You can never truly understand what war is like until you're in one.

SF_KiLLaMaN

LBJ, FDR, Hitler Franco, Jose Antonio Primo de Rivera, Stalin, Churchill, The Shah, Saddam, GWB, Clinton, Ashcroft, Hoover, Madison, Hamilton, Nixon off the top of my head. Loving war and being pro war are two different things that overlap.

"Men need war. If you regard war as an evil, then because men need evil. Out of the eternal struggle against evil comes the triumph of good, says St. Francis. War is absolutely indispensable and inevitable. Man feels it inside with an intuitive, atavistic pull, and it will be in the future what it has been in the past."

Jose Antonio Primo de Rivera

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]Most people who glorify war had never had war in their country. That's why normally europeans are against war but americans are pro war. Europeans really know what it is to have bombs dropping on top of their homes, or at least they have the memory more fresh.SF_KiLLaMaN

War is based upon perception. Perception comes from how one chooses to see and view the world around them. That would be free will. In order to destroy war forever you must destroy free will.

[QUOTE="SF_KiLLaMaN"][QUOTE="eggdog1234"]

LBJ, FDR, Hitler Franco, Jose Antonio Primo de Rivera, Stalin, Churchill, The Shah, Saddam, GWB, Clinton, Ashcroft, Hoover, Madison, Hamilton, Nixon off the top of my head. Loving war and being pro war are two different things that overlap.

eggdog1234

"Men need war. If you regard war as an evil, then because men need evil. Out of the eternal struggle against evil comes the triumph of good, says St. Francis. War is absolutely indispensable and inevitable. Man feels it inside with an intuitive, atavistic pull, and it will be in the future what it has been in the past."

Jose Antonio Primo de Rivera

[QUOTE="eggdog1234"]

[QUOTE="Zyamaman"]

It's just that no one felt the need to do anything about it until it got as bad as it was during WWII. That war was the catalyst for the world-wide recognition of the need for an international legislation.

Zyamaman

There were plenty of political debates on colonization, prior to WW2 and the creation of the UN, that were international in scale. WW2 was a catalyst for the US to create an international body that provides legislation not a world-wide recognition for its need.

And how does that conflict with what I said?

You are ascribing attributes to the UN and to WW2 that are not necessarily true and making blanket statements that I disagree with. The conflict is in our perception of the impetus behind the creation of the UN.

So do I.. The United States needs to bring their troops home and leave the world alone.

[QUOTE="Zyamaman"]

[QUOTE="eggdog1234"]

There were plenty of political debates on colonization, prior to WW2 and the creation of the UN, that were international in scale. WW2 was a catalyst for the US to create an international body that provides legislation not a world-wide recognition for its need.

eggdog1234

And how does that conflict with what I said?

You are ascribing attributes to the UN and to WW2 that are not necessarily true and making blanket statements that I disagree with. The conflict is in our perception of the impetus behind the creation of the UN.

You're right, that does come off as a blanket statement. I didn't mean it to sound like that.

Meh, I'm way too tired, shouldn't have even entered this thread...

[QUOTE="Jolt_counter119"]

[QUOTE="SF_KiLLaMaN"] Nope. Name one politician that has said they like war. Please do it. People may support waging a war when they think there is no other option to get a desired outcome, but if it came down to it, they would rather not kill people to get what they want. Also, being fascinated in how war works does not mean they love war. War is fascinating to many because it is a completely different experience than what most people are used to. You can never truly understand what war is like until you're in one.

SF_KiLLaMaN

I disagree. Of course politicians aren't going to say they like war, they probably don't even really want war if they can avoid it, but they sure as hell don't hate it. Some people just don't give a crap, 100% I know for a fact there are people that love war.

You act like I made up some disagreeable stat. What you're saying makes way less sense. You really think there's not a single person that just loves war, loves the idea, loves to be in the middle of it fighting and killing others?

So do I.. The United States needs to bring their troops home and leave the world alone.

OG_LIP

That causes problems like conflicts. USA has alot peacekeepers.