I Believe In Evolution.

[QUOTE="pyromaniac223"]

Wait, so is this a new thing?

In pyromaniac223,

pyromaniac223

MrPraline

I would appreciate it if you guys would stop the off-topic posting. It is childish, annoying, and disruptive, and is certainly not helping your views, your stance, or anything.
In Christ,
Crushmaster.

Crushmaster

[QUOTE="DrSponge"][QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]

I know! It's something I pride myself in being able to do. :D And our posts are very far from "detailed." :P

Dark_Knight6

I'd say better. But I think the mods would disagree. :P

[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]

I know! It's something I pride myself in being able to do. :D And this very far from "detailed." :P

markop2003

After Ragnarok,

Locke

[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]

I know! It's something I pride myself in being able to do. :D And this very far from "detailed." :P

markop2003

For the internets,
MrPraline.

[QUOTE="Silenthps"][QUOTE="bokiloki"]

dinosaurs /thread

Rougehunter

Then they can join in :twisted: Dibs on spazx*numbers*, you can have...solidruss :lol:DrSponge

I respectfully decline that offer.

[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="pyromaniac223"]

Wait, so is this a new thing?

In pyromaniac223,

pyromaniac223

markop2003

[QUOTE="DrSponge"][QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]

I know! It's something I pride myself in being able to do. :D And our posts are very far from "detailed." :P

Dark_Knight6

I'd say better. But I think the mods would disagree. :P

[QUOTE="Crushmaster"]

I would appreciate it if you guys would stop the off-topic posting. It is childish, annoying, and disruptive, and is certainly not helping your views, your stance, or anything.
In Christ,
Crushmaster.

Rougehunter

In Almalexia,

Locke

[QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]

[QUOTE="DrSponge"] True, it could get a lot worse...or do I mean better :oops:markop2003

I'd say better. But I think the mods would disagree. :P

I'd still like to know where the Bible says "Oh yeah, and the sun revolves around the Earth" outside of saying the sun "rises" or "sets," and only the most pedantic literalist would assume that as a Biblical cosmology.

[QUOTE="Shhadow_Viper"][QUOTE="Rougehunter"]The same bible that said children should be stoned to death if they disrespect their paraents?

Theokhoth

Verse book and chapter, plz.

Examples of biblical references to a stationary earth: Thou, Lord, in the beginning didst lay the foundation of the earth." (Heb. 1:10)

The sun, moon, and stars were created after the firm "foundation of the earth" was laid. (Gen. 1:9-18)

"He established the earth upon its foundations, so that it will not totter, forever and ever." (Ps. 104:5)

"The world is firmly established, it will not be moved." (Ps. 93:1 & 1 Chron. 16:30)

"For the pillars of the earth are the Lord's, and he set the world on them." (I Sam. 2:8)

"It is I who have firmly set its pillars." (Ps. 75:3) "Who stretched out the heavens...and established the world." (Jer. 10:12)

The Bible never depicts the earth as moving, just "shaken," as in an "earthquake": "The earth quaked, the foundations of heaven were trembling." "The earth quakes, the heavens tremble." (Joel 2:10)

"I shall make the heavens tremble, and the earth will be shaken from its place." (Isa. 13:13)

"There was a great earthquake...and the stars of the sky fell...as if shaken from a tree." (Rev. 6:12,13)

Luther and Calvin agreed that the Bible states the earth does not move, and also that the sun does move:

"He (God) can command the sun not to rise." (Job 9:7)

Rather than, "He can command the earth to stop (moving/spinning)." That God would direct such a command at the sun rather than the earth, implies an unmistakably geocentric perspective. Likewise, Martin Luther pointed out that "Joshua commanded the sun to stand still and not the earth," since the earth was presumed to be at rest at all times. (Josh. 10:12)

[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="DrSponge"] Oh so you're one of them, huh? :oops: This discussion is getting sleazy :lol:DrSponge

For the Horde,

DrSponge.

[QUOTE="Rougehunter"]

[QUOTE="Silenthps"] dinosaurs lived with man and are in the bible /unthreadSilenthps

In Baan dar, the bandit god,

Locke

[QUOTE="DrSponge"]

[QUOTE="MrPraline"] So, did we kill the thread yet? :lol: Hallowed are the Ori, MrPraline.TarmacChris

For the Horde,

DrSponge.

In Almalexia,

Locke

Locke562

Ok, back to the topic. In the early days of human civilization humans knew very little of the world but wanted to know more about it. This is how religion was born, it was created by simple people the didn't know how the world worked. For example in acient Japan people didn't know what caused earthquakes. Because of this they made up the idea that there are massive catfish that lived underground and were the main cause. *activates flame sheild* The point I'm trying to make is that such beliefs like yours are made by early humans that did not understand the world. Religion was made by man, the Bible (and all other religious text) was made by and God was made by man. Rougehunter

I believe in Evolution as well.

Creationism doesn't make sense to me.

For the Horde,

DrSponge.

DrSponge

I believe in Evolution as well.

Creationism doesn't make sense to me.

avatar_genius

Could a moderator please take care of the off-topic posting and such?
Thanks,
In Christ,
Crushmaster.

[QUOTE="Rougehunter"] Ok, back to the topic. In the early days of human civilization humans knew very little of the world but wanted to know more about it. This is how religion was born, it was created by simple people the didn't know how the world worked. For example in acient Japan people didn't know what caused earthquakes. Because of this they made up the idea that there are massive catfish that lived underground and were the main cause. *activates flame sheild* The point I'm trying to make is that such beliefs like yours are made by early humans that did not understand the world. Religion was made by man, the Bible (and all other religious text) was made by and God was made by man. Crushmaster

[QUOTE="Rougehunter"] Ok, back to the topic. In the early days of human civilization humans knew very little of the world but wanted to know more about it. This is how religion was born, it was created by simple people the didn't know how the world worked. For example in acient Japan people didn't know what caused earthquakes. Because of this they made up the idea that there are massive catfish that lived underground and were the main cause. *activates flame sheild* The point I'm trying to make is that such beliefs like yours are made by early humans that did not understand the world. Religion was made by man, the Bible (and all other religious text) was made by and God was made by man. Crushmaster

While I don't agree with Crushmaster on anything really I think it would be nice if you let this thread get back on topic. thriteenthmonke

[QUOTE="avatar_genius"]

I believe in Evolution as well.

Creationism doesn't make sense to me.

Crushmaster

I don't believe in that type of evolution, sorry.

[QUOTE="Silenthps"][QUOTE="Rougehunter"]The same bibel that said children should be stoned to death if they disrespect their paraents?

Locke562

In Baan dar, the bandit god,

Locke

You don't believe in the same kind I do. Read the opening post.
In Christ,
Crushmaster.

Crushmaster

Evolution does not exist in Christianity.

[QUOTE="avatar_genius"]

I believe in Evolution as well.

Creationism doesn't make sense to me.

Crushmaster

[QUOTE="Crushmaster"]

[QUOTE="avatar_genius"]

I believe in Evolution as well.

Creationism doesn't make sense to me.

MrPraline

A circle does not mean a sphere, If you stand in one place and look in every direction toward the horizon you form a circle with your view distance. The horizon is also rounded. They thought the earth was a flat circular object. BumFluff122

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="Shhadow_Viper"]Yeah, also the one that claims the Sun revolves the Earth.Shhadow_Viper

Verse book and chapter, plz.

So? What was their Biblical basis?

Examples of biblical references to a stationary earth: Thou, Lord, in the beginning didst lay the foundation of the earth." (Heb. 1:10)

The Earth's foundations has nothing to do with the position of the sun, and I highly doubt they mean to say the Earth is stationary.

The sun, moon, and stars were created after the firm "foundation of the earth" was laid. (Gen. 1:9-18)

Except there's nothing suggesting that the foundation of the Earth was stationary.

"He established the earth upon its foundations, so that it will not totter, forever and ever." (Ps. 104:5)

"Totter" as in "fall," as in "never break, never change, etc." Not "never move, never revolve, etc."

"The world is firmly established, it will not be moved." (Ps. 93:1 & 1 Chron. 16:30)

The world is not the Earth.

"For the pillars of the earth are the Lord's, and he set the world on them." (I Sam. 2:8)

Obvious metaphor.

"It is I who have firmly set its pillars." (Ps. 75:3)

Same thing.

"Who stretched out the heavens...and established the world." (Jer. 10:12)

Same thing.

The Bible never depicts the earth as moving, just "shaken," as in an "earthquake": "The earth quaked, the foundations of heaven were trembling." "The earth quakes, the heavens tremble." (Joel 2:10)

Yes, they had Earthquakes.

"I shall make the heavens tremble, and the earth will be shaken from its place." (Isa. 13:13)

Yes, they had earthquakes.

"There was a great earthquake...and the stars of the sky fell...as if shaken from a tree." (Rev. 6:12,13)

A prediction of the future, in which there is a great earthquake.

Luther and Calvin agreed that the Bible states the earth does not move, and also that the sun does move:

I don't care what Luther or Calvin thought, but I'd be willing to bet that's not true.

"He (God) can command the sun not to rise." (Job 9:7)

"Rise" and "set" are used even today to describe the sun's apparent movement.

Rather than, "He can command the earth to stop (moving/spinning)."

It isn't necessary.

That God would direct such a command at the sun rather than the earth, implies an unmistakably geocentric perspective. Likewise, Martin Luther pointed out that "Joshua commanded the sun to stand still and not the earth," since the earth was presumed to be at rest at all times. (Josh. 10:12)

Finally, do not copy/paste your answers from Talk.Origins. I can find plenty of well-written articles that I could copy/paste for you, too.

[QUOTE="Crushmaster"]

You don't believe in the same kind I do. Read the opening post.
In Christ,
Crushmaster.

dog64

Evolution does not exist in Christianity.

[QUOTE="Crushmaster"]

You don't believe in the same kind I do. Read the opening post.
In Christ,
Crushmaster.

dog64

Evolution does not exist in Christianity.

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"] A circle does not mean a sphere, If you stand in one place and look in every direction toward the horizon you form a circle with your view distance. The horizon is also rounded. They thought the earth was a flat circular object. Crushmaster

Have you ever read the Bible? Do you really think a man could right that?

It considers humans completely evil and wicked, who can't save themselves. Can you imagine men writing that?
In Christ,
Crushmaster.

Crushmaster

In a Rolls 8)

markop2003

[QUOTE="dog64"]

[QUOTE="Crushmaster"]

You don't believe in the same kind I do. Read the opening post.
In Christ,
Crushmaster.

DrSponge

Evolution does not exist in Christianity.

[QUOTE="Rougehunter"] Ok, back to the topic. In the early days of human civilization humans knew very little of the world but wanted to know more about it. This is how religion was born, it was created by simple people the didn't know how the world worked. For example in acient Japan people didn't know what caused earthquakes. Because of this they made up the idea that there are massive catfish that lived underground and were the main cause. *activates flame sheild* The point I'm trying to make is that such beliefs like yours are made by early humans that did not understand the world. Religion was made by man, the Bible (and all other religious text) was made by and God was made by man. Crushmaster

Yes I believe humans made the bible

Humans are evil, yes. But one would save themselve by learning the true meaning of religion, a form of controlling early people because they would belive everything they were told.

[QUOTE="dog64"]

[QUOTE="Crushmaster"]

You don't believe in the same kind I do. Read the opening post.
In Christ,
Crushmaster.

BumFluff122

Evolution does not exist in Christianity.

[QUOTE="Shhadow_Viper"]

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

Verse book and chapter, plz.

Theokhoth

So? What was their Biblical basis?

Examples of biblical references to a stationary earth: Thou, Lord, in the beginning didst lay the foundation of the earth." (Heb. 1:10)

The Earth's foundations has nothing to do with the position of the sun, and I highly doubt they mean to say the Earth is stationary.

The sun, moon, and stars were created after the firm "foundation of the earth" was laid. (Gen. 1:9-18)

Except there's nothing suggesting that the foundation of the Earth was stationary.

"He established the earth upon its foundations, so that it will not totter, forever and ever." (Ps. 104:5)

"Totter" as in "fall," as in "never break, never change, etc." Not "never move, never revolve, etc."

"The world is firmly established, it will not be moved." (Ps. 93:1 & 1 Chron. 16:30)

The world is not the Earth.

"For the pillars of the earth are the Lord's, and he set the world on them." (I Sam. 2:8)

Obvious metaphor.

"It is I who have firmly set its pillars." (Ps. 75:3)

Same thing.

"Who stretched out the heavens...and established the world." (Jer. 10:12)

Same thing.

The Bible never depicts the earth as moving, just "shaken," as in an "earthquake": "The earth quaked, the foundations of heaven were trembling." "The earth quakes, the heavens tremble." (Joel 2:10)

Yes, they had Earthquakes.

"I shall make the heavens tremble, and the earth will be shaken from its place." (Isa. 13:13)

Yes, they had earthquakes.

"There was a great earthquake...and the stars of the sky fell...as if shaken from a tree." (Rev. 6:12,13)

A prediction of the future, in which there is a great earthquake.

Luther and Calvin agreed that the Bible states the earth does not move, and also that the sun does move:

I don't care what Luther or Calvin thought, but I'd be willing to bet that's not true.

"He (God) can command the sun not to rise." (Job 9:7)

"Rise" and "set" are used even today to describe the sun's apparent movement.

Rather than, "He can command the earth to stop (moving/spinning)."

It isn't necessary.

That God would direct such a command at the sun rather than the earth, implies an unmistakably geocentric perspective. Likewise, Martin Luther pointed out that "Joshua commanded the sun to stand still and not the earth," since the earth was presumed to be at rest at all times. (Josh. 10:12)

Finally, do not copy/paste your answers from Talk.Origins.

Uh, evolution can coexist with Christianity. They're not mutually exclusive. DrSponge

Why not? It is easier than typing all that crap out for someone to THINK their interpretation is the right one. :lol: Not worth wasting my time. Why does everyone think their interpetation of the exact same text is the only right one? That is what is downright laughable.Shhadow_Viper

All right, then it's not worth my time to refute "your" answers, because clearly you want other people to do your thinking for you and thus nothing anyone says can possibly get through.

Uh, evolution can coexist with Christianity. They're not mutually exclusive.

DrSponge

Most christians sects believe in evolution. The last 3 popes have believed in evolution and have attempted to get their followers to believe as well.

BumFluff122

I don't know about most. Every Christian I've met and spoke with were always against evolution. The main Christian doctrine is that god created all things, so unless some Christians believe that god started evolution....

[QUOTE="DrSponge"]Uh, evolution can coexist with Christianity. They're not mutually exclusive. Crushmaster