Hundreds expected for Mohammed cartoon contest

I do not have any prejudices against Islam. My reasons for being against Islam are all based on actions of the religion.

You really should learn the definitions of words before you start talking. Would save me the time of having to show you how wrong you are.

It's not slander. What is slander is you calling me a racist and an islamaphobe without any proof to back it up.

My god you are too stupid for words.

You have mentioned several times you have "beef" with Islam. You have already passed judgement on Islam "based on actions of the Religion" No matter what Islam or a Muslim does your opinion is pre formed.

THAT'S WHAT PREJUDICE IS NUMBNUTS

prejudice

[prej-uh-dis}

noun

1.

an unfavorable opinion or feeling formed beforehand or without knowledge, thought, or reason.

2.

any preconceived opinion or feeling, either favorable or unfavorable.

3.

unreasonable feelings, opinions, or attitudes, especially of a hostile nature, regarding an ethnic, racial, social, or religious group.

Please someone take the shovel away from this kid before he digs himself any deeper

You need to learn how to read, kiddo.

No, I have not passed judgment on anybody. I have formed an opinion of a religion based on its tenets. Any opinions formed on individuals have been formed from the words they've typed, not their religious denomination. My opinion certainly isn't preformed. I give everybody a fair opportunity to tell me what they believe.

So lets go down the checklist of the word, since you're obviously having trouble:

1) I had plenty of knowledge of Islam before I came to an opinion.

2) There have been no preconceived opinions or feelings. Just reactions to what I have learned and experienced.

3) I don't have unreasonable opinions about Islam.

Just keep trying there, sparky. A clock is right twice, after all.

So as I've been asking and you've repeatedly failed to provide: What proof do you have that I'm a racist and an islamaphobe? Let me help you out: There isn't any.

You need to learn how to read, kiddo.

No, I have not passed judgment on anybody. I have formed an opinion of a religion based on its tenets. Any opinions formed on individuals have been formed from the words they've typed, not their religious denomination. My opinion certainly isn't preformed. I give everybody a fair opportunity to tell me what they believe.

So lets go down the checklist of the word, since you're obviously having trouble:

1) I had plenty of knowledge of Islam before I came to an opinion.

2) There have been no preconceived opinions or feelings. Just reactions to what I have learned and experienced.

3) I don't have unreasonable opinions about Islam.

Just keep trying there, sparky. A clock is right twice, after all.

So as I've been asking and you've repeatedly failed to provide: What proof do you have that I'm a racist and an islamaphobe? Let me help you out: There isn't any.

I don't think I couldn't blatantly offended an entire group of people just spite a few terrorists, all in the name of "freedom". That would be analogous to say...partaking in an event to see who can draw the most offensive Black caricature; a "freedom of speech" reaction to say...a cartoonist who was beating and killed by few Black folk for his offensive Black depictions. Some of those who would engage in the event would say "Its not racism, this is about freedom of expression" Yeah, okay...but you're still engaging in a racist event by offending an entire race of people, just to spite a few.

And they are inclined to be assholes, I don't think anyone here is saying this guy isn't an ass.. It is more pointing out the language being used in which he is "provoking" people for violence and shouldn't be allowed to as stated by people around the country.. This became a freedom of speech argument when that happened to go down that route in which certain political commentaries BLAMED the 2 gunmen deaths on the draw Mohammad contest... And I am sorry but if your blatantly offended from a drawing you don't have to look at, grow a thicker skin and grow up..

People can and have been offended by all kinds of content; whether it be drawn, written, spoken or promoted on TV/movies. Being offended by certain types of content isn't unreasonable.

It's not unreasonable to be offended but to expect anyone else to care is.

And they are inclined to be assholes, I don't think anyone here is saying this guy isn't an ass.. It is more pointing out the language being used in which he is "provoking" people for violence and shouldn't be allowed to as stated by people around the country.. This became a freedom of speech argument when that happened to go down that route in which certain political commentaries BLAMED the 2 gunmen deaths on the draw Mohammad contest... And I am sorry but if your blatantly offended from a drawing you don't have to look at, grow a thicker skin and grow up..

I don't recall expressing my expectations of anyone during this discussion...or did I?

People can and have been offended by all kinds of content; whether it be drawn, written, spoken or promoted on TV/movies. Being offended by certain types of content isn't unreasonable.

Be very careful, little man

Your temper is getting out of hand

You have admitted you have "Beef" with Islam, you have admitted that you passed judgement on Islam. You have preconceived opinions on Islam.

Bu....Bu......Bu.....Bu.....Yeah, your denials are empty, you've never read the Quran, you haven't read any sort of books on Islamic history, or the Middle East. You're only "Knowledge" is Fox News Headlines, and the parroting of Talking points you've heard from other Islamaphobes.

Educate yourself peachfuzz, then you can come back to the grown ups table.

Also true is you have lost the debate on your slandering of the Prophet Mohammad. Continuing to cling to this strawman of your Islamaphonia is pathetic deflection of the embarrassment you feel from being made a fool of.

Abandon ship Junior, Live to hate another day.

Be very careful, little man

Your temper is getting out of hand

You have admitted you have "Beef" with Islam, you have admitted that you passed judgement on Islam. You have preconceived opinions on Islam.

Bu....Bu......Bu.....Bu.....Yeah, your denials are empty, you've never read the Quran, you haven't read any sort of books on Islamic history, or the Middle East. You're only "Knowledge" is Fox News Headlines, and the parroting of Talking points you've heard from other Islamaphobes.

Educate yourself peachfuzz, then you can come back to the grown ups table.

Also true is you have lost the debate on your slandering of the Prophet Mohammad. Continuing to cling to this strawman of your Islamaphonia is pathetic deflection of the embarrassment you feel from being made a fool of.

Abandon ship Junior, Live to hate another day.

Islam is an ideology, not a person or group of people. If he said "I have a beef with Muslims" you would have a point, but he didn't say that.

Just apologize and move on. If anyone here is being prejudice it's you. He's not once mentioned Fox News or other Islamaphobes. Everything you've said is purely conjecture formed by the pre-existing idea that he hates Muslims.

Except for the fact that is not true.

Have you ever read the Quran Airshocker? Where did you get your information? Some bullshit website?

For the Record I'm not a Muslim, but let me educate you on how to research a topic before you comment on things. You should have learned this in school.

Mohammed married Aisha in contract initially and then she lived with him three years later. There are varying reports about her age when she married him some sources say 6,9,12,15 and the Shia say 18. According to Sheikh Hamza Yusuf all the narrations about her age at the time of marriage are singular narrations therefore there isn't one that stands out and we can affirm that narration.

In any case when she married him, she was fully formed woman, in other words capable of child birth. This was perfectly normal in that time, as it was the practice of the Arabs at that time to marry women at 12, when they had reached puberty and they did not live together until three years after that.

In most of the books, scholars generally say the age was twelve and then she went to live with him when she was fifteen, after the emigration to Medina.

This was a normal marriage in this time because another woman Khawla said why don't you marry Aisha, this confirms it as a practice of the people.

Also in the Quran, Mohammed had a dream where the angel Jibril was carrying a person and he asked who it was, the angel said it is your wife, the cloth was uncovered and it was Aisha, this happened three times. She was married to him before the Hijra to Medina and did not live with him until after which was some three years.

In the OLD TESTAMENT it states than any father who hasn’t married his daughter by the age of twelve, has dishonoured her.

Henry the 8th wed Anne Boleyn aged twelve.

Some Hindis marry when their brides are aged twelve, the Jewish tradition has about what age a woman should be when she marries, some say 6 others say 9 and 12.

Mary mother of Jesus according to some Christian sources was 12 when she gave birth to Jesus.

According to the Encyclopaedia Britannica puberty is “in human physiology, the stage or period of life when a child transforms into an adult normally capable of procreation,” which essentially means “sexually mature.” She was engaged before him to the son of Uqbah ibn Muayt. He was one of the idol worshipers of the Quraish, who had abandoned her because of her father’s strong position in supporting Islam.

Mohammed was not a Pedophile, he married Aisha through contract at the age of 12, and didn't live with her until she was 15.

People were and still are getting married in America at age 15 through it's history.

Drop some knowledge on yourself son, growing up as a racist dick wrinkle is no way to reach adulthood

Oh so just because we can point out other pedophile like behaviors and sexism in other parts of history, this some how make this ok... And yet again no one is glorifying those other examples, no one is saying those people are the perfect people.... I am quite certain here no one here is going to claim those people were not racist/xenophobic/sexist etc etc.. By today's standards those people are pedophiles, JUST like Mohammad... Mohammad wouldn't be getting this kind of criticism if it weren't for the fact that we have people claiming he is the perfect person.. Not the perfect person during that time period, or a person of the times, but THE perfect person. If your going to make a declaration like that, prepare to have shit hit the fan when we have evidence illustrating by today's standards he was not... If we actually had believers say that he was a flawed person and a person of the times, this wouldn't even be brought up.. Because in most cultures during that time it was common.. But we specifically have a group claiming he is the perfect human being and role model.

And before you go on to say that I am anti Islam.. Let me point out that I defended Muslims for their right to build a community center in New York near the trade tower site when many said it shouldn't happen.. I was for their right to build mosque's around the United States when many conservatives said they shouldn't be allowed for it.. I defended Islam when it was being painted with a brush across the board that all these people are extremists.. But that doesn't some how shield it from actual criticism, it can be criticized just like any belief.

Finally someone who wants to have a discussion!!

You're a little off base, and very liberal with your use of the term Pedophile.

Pedophilia or paedophilia is a psychiatric disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children, generally age 11 years or younger. Per Wikipedia

Pedophilia deals exclusively with prepubescent children, something that by all reliably accounts Aisha was not. She was at the earliest 12, and most likely 15 when they married.

The term your looking for is actually Ephebophilia which is exclusive attraction to POST pubescent teens, generally 15-19. However, as the Prophet was married to multiple women of all ages, the term EXCLUSIVE can't be used, so Ephebophilia is not accurate either.

And honestly, I understand your firm stance on the modern statutory age of 18, as it is the entire crux of your argument. But again you are off base, and although you may believe you can simply dismiss any historical context, it's asinine to do so.

There is a very practical reason that for most of human history, women were married and conceived children soon after puberty.

Other than the fact that the age of 18 was irrelevant because most didn't even know their exact age, they judged age on what season they were born, and how many had past since. It's the fact that by the time women were 18-20 years old, they were practically passed middle age.

For commoners and peasents through history to reach 40 was old, and to hit 50 you were considered ancient. You HAD to marry at 15 in order to birth and raise your children to post pubescence, so that they could do the same thing.

It's only been the last 100 years that society has began to wait until the late teens or 20's to marry, and really the last 30 years for it to be common for people to marry even later.

I didn't get married till I was 31, but we waited until we were financially secure and virtually debt free.

Finally someone who wants to have a discussion!!

You're a little off base, and very liberal with your use of the term Pedophile.

Pedophilia or paedophilia is a psychiatric disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children, generally age 11 years or younger. Per Wikipedia

Pedophilia deals exclusively with prepubescent children, something that by all reliably accounts Aisha was not. She was at the earliest 12, and most likely 15 when they married.

The term your looking for is actually Ephebophilia which is exclusive attraction to POST pubescent teens, generally 15-19. However, as the Prophet was married to multiple women of all ages, the term EXCLUSIVE can't be used, so Ephebophilia is not accurate either.

And honestly, I understand your firm stance on the modern statutory age of 18, as it is the entire crux of your argument. But again you are off base, and although you may believe you can simply dismiss any historical context, it's asinine to do so.

There is a very practical reason that for most of human history, women were married and conceived children soon after puberty.

Other than the fact that the age of 18 was irrelevant because most didn't even know their exact age, they judged age on what season they were born, and how many had past since. It's the fact that by the time women were 18-20 years old, they were practically passed middle age.

For commoners and peasents through history to reach 40 was old, and to hit 50 you were considered ancient. You HAD to marry at 15 in order to birth and raise your children to post pubescence, so that they could do the same thing.

It's only been the last 100 years that society has began to wait until the late teens or 20's to marry, and really the last 30 years for it to be common for people to marry even later.

I didn't get married till I was 31, but we waited until we were financially secure and virtually debt free.