Do we still need religion?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

 

 

Could you show me where exactly I said one thing and then try to argue something else entirely? My very first post in this thread was simply me stating my opinion on the question posed by this thread. Throughout this conversation I have been doing nothing but trying to argue along the lines of my original post, and in response you've been doing nothing but trying to avoid that same argument. 

-Sun_Tzu-

These are questions that you can answer for yourself. 

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]I was referring to the guy you linked. He started out objectively then turned to commentary supporting his faith. -Sun_Tzu-

And try looking at a map of the Exodus and ask yourself what actually makes sense.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Exactly what I'm saying. Bible is filled with metaphors and hyperbole. It wasn't literal.KC_Hokie

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I told you I won't speak for others. You want to know if they need religion then ask THEM. I said I don't believe because I NEED to believe. It's really that simple. To which you said that was a cop out. When I answered your question twice now.

LJS9502_basic

These are questions that you can answer for yourself. 

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="pie-junior"] Are you saying the text did not mean to convey that a divine act of the parting of water happened?pie-junior

[QUOTE="pie-junior"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Exactly what I'm saying. Bible is filled with metaphors and hyperbole. It wasn't literal.KC_Hokie

What's the perfectly logical explanation for moses doing snake poke-battles with egyptian wizards to show off his godly-inspired powers?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] And I will continue to call it a cop out, because not only have you refused to answer that specific question because you "won't speak for others", but you haven't told me A) why you would follow your own faith if not because you feel a need for religion in your life and B) if you don't follow a faith because of need then why do you assume that anyone else does

These are questions that you can answer for yourself. 

-Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="pie-junior"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Exactly what I'm saying. Bible is filled with metaphors and hyperbole. It wasn't literal.KC_Hokie

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="pie-junior"] That's a bit of a stretch ainit? You're suggesting every one of the hundreds of miracles that appears in the bible is not meant to be taken literally- but is a metaphor or hyperbole for something else. most of them, I assume, you would find very difficult explaining with a case of simple mistranslation. I think, if you're not inclined to believe the occurences of those miracles- the simple solution would be to take the jewish bible as a fictitious text for a primitive set of beliefs, instead of stretching the meaning of the text to unbelieveable lengths.pie-junior

What's the perfectly logical explanation for moses doing snake poke-battles with egyptian wizards to show off his godly-inspired powers?

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]You are a damn liar. You asked why people need religion. I said I can't speak for people. Which is correct. You asked me specifically why I need to believe...and I've told you THREE times now I do not believe due to need. If that is too hard of a concept for your mind to grasp then just admit that.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]The stories in the bible have good lessons and everything and some happened. However, stories like Moses parting the Red Sea are pure hyperbole. The Jews crossed marshy land that Egyptians could cross. Their chariots got stuck, including horses and men and some drowned. Perfectly logical explanation with no divine intervention. KC_Hokie

[QUOTE="pie-junior"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]The stories in the bible have good lessons and everything and some happened. However, stories like Moses parting the Red Sea are pure hyperbole. The Jews crossed marshy land that Egyptians could cross. Their chariots got stuck, including horses and men and some drowned. Perfectly logical explanation with no divine intervention. KC_Hokie

What's the perfectly logical explanation for moses doing snake poke-battles with egyptian wizards to show off his godly-inspired powers?

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Is it faith if one needs it?LJS9502_basic

Just to clarify, cryptic rhetorical questions will not suffice as answers 

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="pie-junior"]

What's the perfectly logical explanation for moses doing snake poke-battles with egyptian wizards to show off his godly-inspired powers?

pie-junior

Crossing the Red Sea (50-100 miles across) with a hookup of Moses' magic water staff....zero.

[QUOTE="pie-junior"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]If you believe that actually happened...I have a great deal for you for some Florida marshland. KC_Hokie

Crossing the Red Sea (50-100 miles across) with a hookup of Moses' magic water staff....zero.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] Just answer the questions. -Sun_Tzu-

Just to clarify, cryptic rhetorical questions will not suffice as answers 

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]

Generally there seem to be a correlation between obnoxiousness and 'active' atheists though. Both on the internet and IRL.

br0kenrabbit

Athiest don't try to beat my door down or accost me outside the grocery store with their pamphlets.

[QUOTE="pie-junior"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]The stories in the bible have good lessons and everything and some happened. However, stories like Moses parting the Red Sea are pure hyperbole. The Jews crossed marshy land that Egyptians could cross. Their chariots got stuck, including horses and men and some drowned. Perfectly logical explanation with no divine intervention. KC_Hokie

What's the perfectly logical explanation for moses doing snake poke-battles with egyptian wizards to show off his godly-inspired powers?

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]

[QUOTE="pie-junior"] So that could never have happened but some sort of water crossing must have. whypie-junior

Crossing the Red Sea (50-100 miles across) with a hookup of Moses' magic water staff....zero.

The divine intervention story involving a mistranslation of Red Sea.

It's based on reason and realistic world involving no magic or divine intervention.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="pie-junior"]

What's the perfectly logical explanation for moses doing snake poke-battles with egyptian wizards to show off his godly-inspired powers?

Nuck81

[QUOTE="pie-junior"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]They crossed marshy land of not more than few miles on foot that chariots couldn't. That's perfectly plausible.

Crossing the Red Sea (50-100 miles across) with a hookup of Moses' magic water staff....zero.

KC_Hokie

The divine intervention story involving a mistranslation of Red Sea.

It's based on reason and realistic world involving no magic or divine intervention.

[QUOTE="pie-junior"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]They crossed marshy land of not more than few miles on foot that chariots couldn't. That's perfectly plausible.

Crossing the Red Sea (50-100 miles across) with a hookup of Moses' magic water staff....zero.

KC_Hokie

The divine intervention story involving a mistranslation of Red Sea.

It's based on reason and realistic world involving no magic or divine intervention.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="pie-junior"]

What's the perfectly logical explanation for moses doing snake poke-battles with egyptian wizards to show off his godly-inspired powers?

Nuck81

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]

[QUOTE="pie-junior"] The question I asked pertained to the difference between examples. Why did one must have happened (or the text did not mean for it to be perceived as super-natural), while the other did not?pie-junior

The divine intervention story involving a mistranslation of Red Sea.

It's based on reason and realistic world involving no magic or divine intervention.

Crossing the REED SEA wouldn't have needed divine intervention. Regardless of which the guys who wrote the bible said. They turned plenty of rational events into divine interventions. It's called hyperbole and religious writers of all faiths did that.

[QUOTE="Nuck81"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]If you believe that actually happened...I have a great deal for you for some Florida marshland. KC_Hokie

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]

[QUOTE="pie-junior"] The question I asked pertained to the difference between examples. Why did one must have happened (or the text did not mean for it to be perceived as super-natural), while the other did not?LJS9502_basic

The divine intervention story involving a mistranslation of Red Sea.

It's based on reason and realistic world involving no magic or divine intervention.

[QUOTE="Nuck81"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]If you believe that actually happened...I have a great deal for you for some Florida marshland. pie-junior

Called hyperbole.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] What question? Your refusal to accept that I don't believe due to need? You're woefully inadequate in understanding this subject.LJS9502_basic

Just to clarify, cryptic rhetorical questions will not suffice as answers 

"Show me where I said anyone believes due to need"

Some humans do need religion.LJS9502_basic

As for your answers to the questions. You believe because you believe and you choose to follow your religion because it makes the most sense to you... you really can't see where I'm coming from when I call your answers cop outs? Really?  

[QUOTE="pie-junior"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]With a direct translation a Reed Sea crossing is perfectly plausible.

The divine intervention story involving a mistranslation of Red Sea.

It's based on reason and realistic world involving no magic or divine intervention.

KC_Hokie

Crossing the REED SEA wouldn't have needed divine intervention. Regardless of which the guys who wrote the bible said. They turned plenty of rational events into divine interventions. It's called hyperbole and religious writers of all faiths did that.

we're not arguing whether or not the event happened. we're arguing whether the text meant for the event to be perceived as supernatural.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]With a direct translation a Reed Sea crossing is perfectly plausible.

The divine intervention story involving a mistranslation of Red Sea.

It's based on reason and realistic world involving no magic or divine intervention.

KC_Hokie

[QUOTE="pie-junior"][QUOTE="Nuck81"] Snake Charmers have been around forever, you can look up on youtube people charming snakes. Back then though it would have looked like magic. Of all the crazy Moses stories, the snake charming battle is by far the most believable.KC_Hokie

Called hyperbole.

Hyperbole. Noun

1. obviousandintentionalexaggeration.

2. anextravagantstatementorfigureofspeechnotintendedtobetakenliterally,astowaitaneternity.

What you're talking about- is making sh!t up.

 

 

As for your answers to the questions. You believe because you believe and you choose to follow your religion because it makes the most sense to you... you really can't see where I'm coming from when I call your answers cop outs? Really?  

-Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="Nuck81"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]If you believe that actually happened...I have a great deal for you for some Florida marshland. pie-junior

[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]

Generally there seem to be a correlation between obnoxiousness and 'active' atheists though. Both on the internet and IRL.

kingkong0124

Athiest don't try to beat my door down or accost me outside the grocery store with their pamphlets.

I mean what I said.

You can make a snake go stiff by simply making them very cold. It's not beyond doubt that Moses or the "Wizards" kept snakes cold and then as they handled them the heat from Moses or the others made the stiff snake "come alive"Nuck81

How do you cool down a snake in the middle of a desert with no electricity or access to ice?

You just have zero experience with faith apparently.

LJS9502_basic

hmmm

yeah this couldn't be more wrong 

[QUOTE="Nuck81"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]If you believe that actually happened...I have a great deal for you for some Florida marshland. KC_Hokie

[QUOTE="Nuck81"]You can make a snake go stiff by simply making them very cold. It's not beyond doubt that Moses or the "Wizards" kept snakes cold and then as they handled them the heat from Moses or the others made the stiff snake "come alive"br0kenrabbit

How do you cool down a snake in the middle of a desert with no electricity or access to ice?

Magic....:oLJS9502_basic

Or more likely, slight-of-hand.

[QUOTE="Nuck81"]You can make a snake go stiff by simply making them very cold. It's not beyond doubt that Moses or the "Wizards" kept snakes cold and then as they handled them the heat from Moses or the others made the stiff snake "come alive"br0kenrabbit

How do you cool down a snake in the middle of a desert with no electricity or access to ice?

[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]

[QUOTE="Nuck81"]You can make a snake go stiff by simply making them very cold. It's not beyond doubt that Moses or the "Wizards" kept snakes cold and then as they handled them the heat from Moses or the others made the stiff snake "come alive"LJS9502_basic

How do you cool down a snake in the middle of a desert with no electricity or access to ice?

From About.com Tomb paintings depict Egyptian slaves fanning large storage jars made of porous clay. Through evaporation, what remained inside was chilled. Also in Egypt, according to Panati's Extraordinary Origins of Everyday Things, women placed shallow clay trays of water on straw-beds. Evaporation from top and sides combined with the drop in night temperatures froze the water. Nuck81

I'm sure Moses had a portable womens. Being an unnannounced and unwanted guest in the area and all.