Cops go undercover at a Highschool to bust special needs kid for weed

http://www.alternet.org/cops-go-undercover-high-school-bust-special-needs-kid-pot-why-are-police-so-desperate-throw-kids

disgusting. Dont they have anything better to do than bust kids for weed? Our tax dollars at work right here

Strong everything

that sounds like the worst episode of 21 jump street ever

Fvck the police.

If the kid has weed, he's breaking the law on school grounds. Whether or not he's special needs doesn't change that. Also, as LJ said, they weren't targeting this kid. They arrested 21 other students...

Also, I love how the title of the article asks why police are "desperate" to throw kids in jail. It's called wanting to keep drugs out of schools and away from kids. The title alone should tell you the article within isn't worth reading.

Misleading. They weren't targeting one kid. Not that special needs is an excuse to break the law. And since the article is one sided...I don't know how much credence to give his parents opinion. If they are telling the truth....it would seem a bit beyond the scope of what they should have been doing. Then again.....it's only one side and seems rather odd for a cop to target a kid that hasn't any history.LJS9502_basic

The telling part of the story is the courts agreed with the parents. So whatever other side there is, isn't very convincing.

And cops target people without histories all the time. There was an undercover trying to set up shop when I was in college but he was outed by one of the houses pretty quickly. Kinda hard to do your job as an undercover (as Jason Jantz) when people greet you in the hallways as "Officer Shoop", lol.

Anyone who enforces laws against victim-less crimes is a terrible person.famicommander

[QUOTE="famicommander"]Anyone who enforces laws against victim-less crimes is a terrible person.Pirate700

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[QUOTE="famicommander"]Anyone who enforces laws against victim-less crimes is a terrible person.famicommander

This article is too one-sided for me to give an honest opinion

[QUOTE="famicommander"]Anyone who enforces laws against victim-less crimes is a terrible person.Pirate700

Yes.

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="famicommander"]Anyone who enforces laws against victim-less crimes is a terrible person.m0zart

Yes.

wow thats pretty terrible

parents should take the cops to court as well and not just the school

[QUOTE="m0zart"]

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]Drugs on school grounds is a victim-less crime?

Pirate700

Yes.

If the kid has weed, he's breaking the law on school grounds. Whether or not he's special needs doesn't change that. Also, as LJ said, they weren't targeting this kid. They arrested 21 other students...

Pirate700

Also, I love how the title of the article asks why police are "desperate" to throw kids in jail. It's called wanting to keep drugs out of schools and away from kids. The title alone should tell you the article within isn't worth reading.

Pirate700

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[QUOTE="famicommander"]Anyone who enforces laws against victim-less crimes is a terrible person.famicommander

It's only entrapment if the officer pressures the person into doing something illegal  against that person's objections. An officer simply handing you money and saying "hey, could you go fetch some weed for me" isn't entrapment.

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[QUOTE="m0zart"]

Yes.

ThaneKrios28

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="m0zart"]

Yes.

ThaneKrios28

[QUOTE="ThaneKrios28"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]So you support drugs on school grounds? Capitan_Kid

[QUOTE="ThaneKrios28"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]So you support drugs on school grounds?

Capitan_Kid

[QUOTE="m0zart"]

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]Drugs on school grounds is a victim-less crime?

Pirate700

Yes.

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="m0zart"]

Yes.

ThaneKrios28

just because he is special needs, doesnt make it alright for him to have weed, on school grounds no less.

special needs people still need to follow the law, or reap the consequences, just like everyone else.

[QUOTE="ThaneKrios28"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]So you support drugs on school grounds?

konvikt_17

just because he is special needs, doesnt make it alright for him to have weed, on school grounds no less.

special needs people still need to follow the law, or reap the consequences, just like everyone else.

[QUOTE="konvikt_17"]

[QUOTE="ThaneKrios28"] dude do you really wanna go there? can you honestly say a special needs kid deserves what he got?ThaneKrios28

just because he is special needs, doesnt make it alright for him to have weed, on school grounds no less.

special needs people still need to follow the law, or reap the consequences, just like everyone else.

didnt read the article.

my point still stands.

-just read the article, stings like this happen all the time. gotta be careful when you buy pot. and if you get caught, thats still on you.

wow you really are an idiot. you do realize he was tricked right? i guess you missed that partThaneKrios28

Tricked? He was asked for it, that's not much of a trick. From that point onward he acted deliberately.

[QUOTE="Capitan_Kid"][QUOTE="ThaneKrios28"] dude do you really wanna go there? can you honestly say a special needs kid deserves what he got?Pirate700

An officer simply handing you money and saying "hey, could you go fetch some weed for me" isn't entrapment.

worlock77

Actually, that is. You can't ask someone to break the law for you and then bust them for breaking that law. The specific wording you used in your example actually -would- be entrapment, although I have no idea if the situation in the article was entrapment because there's not enough specific information.

-Byshop

I understand the desire the keep drugs out our schools, but c'mon...its pot.  Give the kids a big scare, suspend them for a day or two, send them to some drug classes are scared straight, but don't do anything that will screw their lives up like expel them.

I'm glad they got these dopers off the streets. Normal people selling drugs to special needs kids is horrible.  Stay classy drug dealers.

I'm glad they got these dopers off the streets. Normal people selling drugs to special needs kids is horrible.  Stay classy drug dealers.

0rbs

so its horrible to sell to special needs, but perfectly fine to sell to "normal" people?

lol.

drug dealers dont discriminate.

doing it on a guy with aspergers is a bit unfair.

some people who have aspergers pretty much think they have to change the way they are and act like others to get people to like them, not to mention the anxiety as well.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]An officer simply handing you money and saying "hey, could you go fetch some weed for me" isn't entrapment.

Byshop

Actually, that is. You can't ask someone to break the law for you and then bust them for breaking that law. The specific wording you used in your example actually -would- be entrapment, although I have no idea if the situation in the article was entrapment because there's not enough specific information.

-Byshop

You can. If you couldn't then there would be no such thing as undercover operations, sting operations, an informant wearing a wire, etc. In a nutshell it's only entrapment if you're coerced into doing something you otherwise would not have done. But there's not really any clear-cut metric for determining if someone might have comitted an act otherwise. Entrapment cases can be very subjective and are basically open to case-by-case determination.

I really hate to defend cops but its not their fault that drugs are against the law. DaBrainz

Can we get a new rule here that Godwinning a thread comes with an automatic 1 week suspension?

All in favor raise your hand.

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Can we get a new rule here that Godwinning a thread comes with an automatic 1 week suspension?

All in favor raise your hand.

*raises hand*

worlock77

*raises hand*

...but Hitler was fond of raising his hand, too

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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]Drugs on school grounds is a victim-less crime?

Pirate700

Yes.

I don't think a student who carries drugs to school should face jail time or criminal charges, no. I also don't think the average person on the street should face them.

That doersn't meant schools can't prohibit drugs on campus, but the penalties should be the usual asinine school variety. These ridiculous life-altering legal penalties for carrying drugs on your person should be thrown right into the trash.

You can. If you couldn't then there would be no such thing as undercover operations, sting operations, an informant wearing a wire, etc. In a nutshell it's only entrapment if you're coerced into doing something you otherwise would not have done. But there's not really any clear-cut metric for determining if someone might have comitted an act otherwise. Entrapment cases can be very subjective and are basically open to case-by-case determination.

worlock77

I confess, I'm no lawyer, but my understanding is that the general rule is you cannot tell someone to commit a crime on your behalf. In a prostitution sting, you can't walk up to someone and say "hey, give me money for sex", but you can stand out on the corner in hoochie-clothes and let someone come to you, ask them if they want to party, give them a price and then bust them when they try to give you money. This works out both ways because even if you're an actual prostitute, you don't want to explicitely spell out that you're taking money for sex on the off chance that your potential customer is actually a cop.

Similarly, you can ask someone if they know where to find drugs and (if they are a drug dealer) they will likely offer to procure them for you. The idea is you set up the situation for a person to commit a crime, rather than ordering them to do so.

-Byshop

Maybe too much weed made him special needs.

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[QUOTE="m0zart"]

Yes.

m0zart

I don't think a student who carries drugs to school should face jail time or criminal charges, no. I also don't think the average person on the street should face them.

That doersn't meant schools can't prohibit drugs on campus, but the penalties should be the usual asinine school variety. These ridiculous life-altering legal penalties for carrying drugs on your person should be thrown right into the trash.

if they possess the same amount of drugs that would result in jail time to the average person, then they shouldn't catch a break.  They broke the law

if they possess the same amount of drugs that would result in jail time to the average person, then they shouldn't catch a break. They broke the lawlostrib

I don't give a f*ck if they broke the law. It's the law itself, and its legitimacy in this instance, that I am judging. People sit around and pontificate about who will protect their children from drugs and the thugs that sell them if these laws were take out, worried that even possession of a drug will destroy their children's lives... so they sit idly by while those laws empower some very stupid thugs at all levels to proceed to ruin their children's lives for the possession of drugs. It's the usual circular bullshit.

I'm more than happy to see someone get away with it if they can. I'd rather promote the cases of those victims who were caught and imprisoned, and argue for their release, than expect that all victims be victimized equally.

You can be so drunk you can't stand up even with assistance and won't remember a thing tomorrow, and that's all fine and legal.

But if your eyes are a little red...

'Murica.

Maybe too much weed made him special needs.

sonicare

That joke would be funny if he were drinking alcohol instead.

Fvck the police.

br0kenrabbit

You can be so drunk you can't stand up even with assistance and won't remember a thing tomorrow, and that's all fine and legal.

But if your eyes are a little red...

 

'Murica.

br0kenrabbit