CA vaccine bill bans personal, religious exemptions

The government has a duty to protect the majority from the stupidity of the minority when that stupidity endangers their health. Would this even be a discussion if some has been celebrity advocated not letting children have water because some proven fraud of a "doctor" said it was bad? That's almost as bad as what Carrey is doing so **** him and the horse he rode in on.

Usually, but they aren't 100% effective in everybody. That's the nice thing about mass immunization, if one person isn't immunized perhaps because they have a weak immune system even though they had their shots, they're still safe.

For once Gerg has summed this thread up in the first response.

I feel people who refuse to get their kids vaccinated (unless there is a medical reason) should have their parental rights revoked. They are literally too dumb to be raising children IMO.

Lol there are worse things in processed food and shampoo than there is in vaccines.

I'm just stuck on your word choice, of using "healthy". Your statement reads "As long as getting vaccinated is healthy". By its design, since vaccines are meant to protect you from disease, that seems to have already answered the question of it is a healthy choice. But I feel like that isn't what you were trying to say.

I feel like you were trying to say "safe" or "minimal risk" instead of "healthy", since to me, that makes more sense in the context of your sentence.

This is a good thing - the so called 'evidence' linking MMR vaccines to autism was retracted and was been disproven with a study of over 95000 children over 17 years.

About time. Oh, and America can keep Jim Carrey.

The big problem here is the risk to others. Even if your kids are vaccinated (mine are, too), there were windows during their lives where they potentially could get something like measles because it's not like you can immunize children against everything from birth. The recent Disneyland Measles outbreak affected two groups of people primarily: people who refused to get the vaccine and children under the age of 1 because they are too young to be immunized. It doesn't matter how diligent a parent is about getting vaccinations for their kids because there are points in their young lives where they will be vulnerable no matter what. Most immunizations require a minimum age, and as an infant they aren't nearly as well equipped to deal with a serious illness as an adult.

I don't think most people really care if an anti-vaccer gets sick because they refuse to get vaccines for religious/conspiracy theory/whatever beliefs (although I feel bad for the kids of Christian Scientists who let their children suffer and die from perfectly treatable illnesses because it's not like it's really their choice) but it's when your actions put others at risk then yeah I think it's fair for the government to step in. The FDA studies this stuff to death and of the common immunizations, very few modern immunizations ever contained any Thimerosal (the organic compound used as a preservative that contains some mercury). Measles, Mumps, Rebulla, Chickenpox, Polio and many others -never- contained this compound. Literally no vaccines in the childhood immunization schedule contain andy mercury.

http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/SafetyAvailability/VaccineSafety/UCM096228

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/Concerns/thimerosal/thimerosal_faqs.html

-Byshop

A bad joke whose abolition is long overdue. Vaccination exemptions for personal and religious reasons? What the hell does that even mean? As vaccination is a serious public health matter, I don't comprehend how someone might invoke this argument and be humored. Moreover, as absurd as the personal grounds might be, I understand them which is something that I can't say about their religious counterparts.

Skimming through the replies in this topic, I noticed the inane personal liberties argument cropping up unsurprisingly enough. The well-being of the progeny of the state trumps you're alleged liberty to idiocy and parental ineptitude. Besides, the law grants you the option of not vaccinating your children provided you homeschool them, neutralizing them as a danger to public health.

Finally, I didn't know Jim Carrey was a nutbag, it kind of adds to his humorousness and quirkiness.

The thiomersal controversy is considered a hoax by consensus of the scientific community. While that is the case, if it were not then getting vaccinated with the preservative thiomersal would be unhealthy as it would be part of the cause of autism or other disorders related to brain development. You can say that as long as it is safe or there is minimal risk, yet this is about health, so that works, too.

What on earth does religion have to do with vaccinations?

Is there a part of the scripture that says " Thou shalt not let thy offspring be protected by illness, rather thy let them risk illness and death. So speaketh the lord"?

If it's a result of the whole "Science vs Religion" thing that's going on in the US, then they need to get a grip.

And the whole " They make our kids retarded" thing, What a bunch of BS. Sure, you should be somewhat critical of brand new medication, but stuff used for years to keep you immune to Polio and such that's proven to work? Give me a break.

America, bro. Best not to think about it.

Yeah, that whole "thiomersal causes autism" thing was complete crap, and on top of that it's not even in any of the vaccines that are part of the normal childhood vaccination schedule. The whole thing is just so ridiculous.

-Byshop

Jim Carrey seems to believe otherwise.

Well then I guess it's up to each parent to decide if the best way to protect their children is to take the medical advice of the Food and Drug Administration and the Center for Disease Control and almost every single Doctor in the country -or- to take the advice of that guy who bends over and talks with his butt cheeks.

Hmmm, tough call. :)

-Byshop

@lostrib: good, stupid people are the ones not vaccinating their kids

My mom's a post-polio survivor. If you feel like it's your religious right to not vaccinate your child, send me a PM and I'll send you her address so you can come down to her house, spend a day with her and then pray to your God that your child doesn't contract polio or anything like it.

The arrogance of religion astounds me.

Jim Carrey is a high school dropout. Why should we take anything he says on this topic seriously?

lol The FDA, CDC, and collection of doctors is more reliable by the numbers and credentials.

Do not make the mistake of thinking that a standardized education path is the only way to knowledge.

@BranKetra: For STEM it most assuredly is.

Anti-vaccers are going to go apeshit. Loons.

Didn't know Jim Carry was a big anti-vaccine advocate, though I've seen Jenny McCarthy have a few episodes of nuttiness, and they're an item. Good to see they share the same ideals, they'll be perfect for each other. I wonder who brainwashed who.

@thegerg:

I 100% agree.

Jim Carrey is against vaccinations? In that case I'm going to cancel all my kid's vaccination appointments...screw the studies and certified professionals in the field.

Of course it isn't, but it's much more likely that someone with a medical degree has greater knowledge in the area than a high school dropout.

Carey COULD have scoured over medical textbooks for years. He COULD have had the wisdom to separate scientific fact from scientific fiction pushed by charlatans. But it's much more likely that he didn't. And his recent comments serve as evidence to support that fact.

what do you expect? that guys entire career depends on talking out his ass.

when you find something that works you stick with it.

Like most anti vaccine people I'm sure they've been shown study after study debunking their nonsense. But just like global warming deniers, coming face to face with reality most likely just reinforces their beliefs. They'll claim some sort of conspiracy and reject the evidence as being fabricated.

Its essentially a sunk cost fallacy they've imposed on themselves. They've devoted too much time and effort to believing something so blatantly wrong that they're unable switch their thinking.

Yea **** it, lets bring back Polio eh?

... We have much more than "belief" we have hardcore facts to back it up.. Furthermore when your not vaccinated your not just putting your self at risk your putting others at risk who are immune compromised or too young to get vaccination shots yet..

The numbers are not displayed, here. It would be nice if they were.

That comment was about high school dropouts in general more than Carrey, rather than the vice-versa. Let's not make the mistake of relying on the statistics as the final say in whether or not someone can get a solid STEM education without high school. Abnormalities are considered ignorable by established academic standards. In practice, that is dangerously similar to apathy.

It's sad that we have come to this.

Getting your kids vaccinated should come as a natural consequence of having the slightest amount of civil responsibility. It shouldn't be something imposed with an iron fist.