Another Shooting involving Assault Rifles and Children

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#1 Posted by Nuck81 (5856 posts) -

LA Times

Another Feel Good Story involving Assault Rifles.

I'm sure someone will post a meme saying tic tacs kill more people than assault rifles.

#2 Posted by theone86 (20555 posts) -

It must be a government conspiracy, individual gun owners are too responsible to do something like this.

#3 Posted by lamprey263 (23921 posts) -
damn this is Obama's fault so he can take our guns away and let the NWO take over the US by power of the UN so we're forced to have commie healthcare and use fluoride water and breath in chemtrails and become atheists that practice Sharia Law
#4 Posted by LJS9502_basic (151066 posts) -
Imagine that....someone that wants to commit a crime finds a way to do so. In other news....the sun is hot.
#5 Posted by UCF_Knight (6863 posts) -
damn this is Obama's fault so he can take our guns away and let the NWO take over the US by power of the UN so we're forced to have commie healthcare and use fluoride water and breath in chemtrails and become atheists that practice Sharia Lawlamprey263
This sounds accurate.
#6 Posted by Jacobistheman (3975 posts) -

Well, I guess the fact that Assult Rifles are already banned didn't help anything.

#7 Posted by Aljosa23 (24957 posts) -

damn, if only the children had guns this wouldnt have happened

#8 Posted by -Renegade (8340 posts) -

It must be a government conspiracy, individual gun owners are too responsible to do something like this.

theone86
He's just the patsy.
#9 Posted by Ace6301 (21389 posts) -
It's probably going to turn out the shooter is related to the victims given how they don't remark on it being a home invasion attempt. Also it was a semi-automatic AR-15, not an assault rifle. Also that's fvcking horrible.
#10 Posted by ShadowMoses900 (17081 posts) -

This sh!t has to stop, I'm tired of seeing this on the news everyday. However don't use this as an excuse to throw out rational thinking and put the blame on responsible gun owners. Also for the record that was not an assualt rifle, a lot of people who are not educated on guns don't know what the term actually means.

#11 Posted by Zeviander (9503 posts) -
This sh!t has to stop, I'm tired of seeing this on the news everyday. However don't use this as an excuse to throw out rational thinking and put the blame on responsible gun owners.ShadowMoses900
Who are you and what did you do with ShadowMoses900?
#12 Posted by OB-47 (10909 posts) -

They should give the guns their own guns so the guns can stop the shooter from harming other people.

#14 Posted by ShadowMoses900 (17081 posts) -

if we ban all children then surely the criminals will have nothing to shoot, right? That seems to be Americas logic.

HyperWarlock

No. You have no idea what you are talking about. There are different solutions being proposed right now, the NRA wants more guns and armed guards in schools and whatnot, while others want more gun control and better services for the mentally ill.

#15 Posted by LJS9502_basic (151066 posts) -

if we ban all children then surely the criminals will have nothing to shoot, right? That seems to be Americas logic.

HyperWarlock
And the most clueless user of the year goes to....
#17 Posted by Deadpool-n (467 posts) -

Yeah, because the same thing couldn't have been done with a handgun or a knife...

#18 Posted by LJS9502_basic (151066 posts) -

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="HyperWarlock"]

if we ban all children then surely the criminals will have nothing to shoot, right? That seems to be Americas logic.

HyperWarlock

And the most clueless user of the year goes to....

America will do anything besides ban their beloved assualt rifles, America is a mess, mass shootings weekly. The whole country is going to descend into anarchy.

Weekly? I'm going to have to ask you for proof of that. Let's take 2012.....I want to see a list of mass shootings for each week. Also assault rifles ARE banned.

#19 Posted by thegerg (15237 posts) -

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="HyperWarlock"]

if we ban all children then surely the criminals will have nothing to shoot, right? That seems to be Americas logic.

HyperWarlock

And the most clueless user of the year goes to....

America will do anything besides ban their beloved assualt rifles, America is a mess, mass shootings weekly. The whole country is going to descend into anarchy.

Actually assault rifles are already banned. You seem to be very confused.
#21 Posted by VoodooHak (15987 posts) -

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="HyperWarlock"]

if we ban all children then surely the criminals will have nothing to shoot, right? That seems to be Americas logic.

HyperWarlock

And the most clueless user of the year goes to....

America will do anything besides ban their beloved assualt rifles, America is a mess, mass shootings weekly. The whole country is going to descend into anarchy.

What's actually descending is the crime rate. It's been on steady downtick since the 80s. We're experiencing half the crime we used to face in 92. FBI crime stats are available for you to peruse if you want to check. The media is focusing on these crimes, creating a perception that people are running rampant with guns. That's simply not true.

BTW, assault rifles have been banned since 86.

#22 Posted by Zeviander (9503 posts) -
America will do anything besides ban their beloved assualt rifles, America is a mess, mass shootings weekly.HyperWarlock
Assault rifles were banned in the US over a decade ago. The AR-15 is a semi-automatic rifle like any other on the market. The only reason people are scared of it is because it has a fully-automatic cousin employed by the US Military. You can buy polymer, interlocking 25-round magazines for Ruger .22 rifles. And legally buy 100-round drums as well. 500-round bricks of ammo cost a few dollars. That gun with 5 stacked mags or a 100-shot drum would kill way more people in a shorter amount of time than an AR-15 with a 10-shot mag. And the Ruger, and it's accessories, being .22 rimfire, are completely legal and not scary at all to shoot (kids shoot them for fun at ranges).
#23 Posted by BenedictArnold7 (701 posts) -
Confirmation bias. Seeking out facts that support your case and ignoring everything else.
#24 Posted by ShadowMoses900 (17081 posts) -

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="HyperWarlock"]

if we ban all children then surely the criminals will have nothing to shoot, right? That seems to be Americas logic.

HyperWarlock

And the most clueless user of the year goes to....

America will do anything besides ban their beloved assualt rifles, America is a mess, mass shootings weekly. The whole country is going to descend into anarchy.

1) It wasn't an assualt rifle

2) Said assault rifles are already impossible to obtain

3) There isn't a mass shooting weekly.

Most gun owners are responsible and safe, in fact alchohol and drunk drivers kill more people than guns in America. You are hyperboling and severely misinformed. Learn about guns first before you make such statements.

#25 Posted by HyperWarlock (3261 posts) -

what was I thinking?

#26 Posted by VoodooHak (15987 posts) -

You are all in denial that you're country is a mess. It's clear there is no talking to you clueless 'patriots'.

HyperWarlock

Unless you can refute anything we're saying, you're the one that's clueless.

We'll patiently await your "facts".

#27 Posted by LJS9502_basic (151066 posts) -

You are all in denial that you're country is a mess. It's clear there is no talking to you clueless 'patriots'.

HyperWarlock
And you have not given the asked for proof.....stop talking out of your ass.
#28 Posted by ShadowMoses900 (17081 posts) -

[QUOTE="thegerg"][QUOTE="HyperWarlock"]

America will do anything besides ban their beloved assualt rifles, America is a mess, mass shootings weekly. The whole country is going to descend into anarchy.

HyperWarlock

Actually assault rifles are already banned. You seem to be very confused.

you can obtain a licence.

The Federal Assault Weapons Ban expired on September 13, 2004, as part of the law's sunset provision. There have been multiple attempts to renew the ban,but no bill has reached the House floor for a vote.

That licence is impossible to obtain.....only top of the line FBI agents and other such groups have the clearence for those, and even then there is a massive amount of laws they have to follow. The average citezen cannot obtain an assault weapon, and the assault weapon ban didn't ban the guns you are thinking of, the term is a bit of a misrepresentaiton and was mostly targeted at cosmetic parts.

#29 Posted by thegerg (15237 posts) -

[QUOTE="thegerg"][QUOTE="HyperWarlock"]

America will do anything besides ban their beloved assualt rifles, America is a mess, mass shootings weekly. The whole country is going to descend into anarchy.

HyperWarlock

Actually assault rifles are already banned. You seem to be very confused.

you can obtain a licence.

The Federal Assault Weapons Ban expired on September 13, 2004, as part of the law's sunset provision. There have been multiple attempts to renew the ban,but no bill has reached the House floor for a vote.

The expired Assault Weapons Ban is not what outlawed assault rifles. Assault rifles were banned before it was put in place, and they still are. Do a little research.
#30 Posted by thegerg (15237 posts) -

[QUOTE="HyperWarlock"]

Unless you can refute anything we're saying, you're the one that's clueless.

We'll patiently await your "facts".

VoodooHak
[QUOTE="HyperWarlock"]

You are all in denial that you're country is a mess. It's clear there is no talking to you clueless 'patriots'.

LJS9502_basic
And you have not given the asked for proof.....stop talking out of your ass.

This guy has taken the bold and atypical step of deciding to enter into a debate without the backing of "facts" or a basis in "reality". Let's not fault him for his balls.
#31 Posted by THUMPTABLE (1814 posts) -

damn this is Obama's fault so he can take our guns away and let the NWO take over the US by power of the UN so we're forced to have commie healthcare and use fluoride water and breath in chemtrails and become atheists that practice Sharia Lawlamprey263

Commie health care, what are you on about??

#32 Posted by Laihendi (5828 posts) -
I don't think there is a government conspiracy that is causing these shootings. There is, however, a clear anti-2nd amendment agenda being pushed by the mainstream media.
#33 Posted by HyperWarlock (3261 posts) -

I have no idea what I was talking about, I was talking out my ass. Something seemed to spark inside me to talk crap over the internet for a few minutes there. My apologies and condolences to the victims of the appalling crime.

#34 Posted by Laihendi (5828 posts) -
I do consider the government being involved as a possibility, but there is not substantial evidence for it.
#35 Posted by HyperWarlock (3261 posts) -

I do consider the government being involved as a possibility, but there is not substantial evidence for it.Laihendi

I don't think they would risk that, if that got out then there would be large scale riots and widespread uproar.

#36 Posted by wis3boi (31379 posts) -

I have no idea what I was talking about, I was talking out my ass. Something seemed to spark inside me to talk crap over the internet for a few minutes there. My apologies and condolences to the victims of the appalling crime.

HyperWarlock

www.assaultweapon.info

#37 Posted by LostProphetFLCL (17394 posts) -

It's probably going to turn out the shooter is related to the victims given how they don't remark on it being a home invasion attempt. Also it was a semi-automatic AR-15, not an assault rifle. Also that's fvcking horrible. Ace6301

Ahh I was looking to see if it was a semi or a full-auto. Was that in that particular article itself or from a news source? It really felt that article was badly written.

Actually worse in my mind that it was semi-auto. Sick of all the LEGAL GUNS being used for murder...

#38 Posted by Lotus-Edge (50439 posts) -
damn this is Obama's fault so he can take our guns away and let the NWO take over the US by power of the UN so we're forced to have commie healthcare and use fluoride water and breath in chemtrails and become atheists that practice Sharia Lawlamprey263
Of course....
#39 Posted by jimkabrhel (15419 posts) -

This is extremely tragic, though like other crimes lately, not the fault of assault rifles. Both sides will use this to their advantage of course, and some will accuse the government of a conspiracy.

The ultimate lesson is that, much like I was before the recent shootings, much of the public isn't informed about what an assualt rifle really is, and how useless a term "assault weapons is".

If we develop a society where there was less need for violence, i.e. one with less povetry, dependence on drugs and other addictions, there would be less violent crime in general, and there wouldn't be a need to focus on events that are largely out of the ordinary.

#40 Posted by scoots9 (3197 posts) -

I'd put money on it not being an assault rifle, but an assault weapon i.e. a scary looking hunting rifle with a scary sounding name.

#41 Posted by Wasdie (49913 posts) -

This one seems to be a bit more personal, like more of a typical murder. Yeah that sounds heartless, but considering the charges given I'll wait for more info.

Sucks either way though. Kids 15 years old shouldn't have thoughts of killing people then be able to act on it. Seems to be a lot of factors.

It makes me wonder the kind of upbringing this kind of person must have had in order to believe killing 5 people solves anything.

#42 Posted by Kanghaskhan (34 posts) -
dis is why they shuldnt make bullets so sharp. if they werent sharp they wouldnt hurt anywon
#43 Posted by Hakumen21 (342 posts) -
[QUOTE="Ace6301"] Also it was a semi-automatic AR-15, not an assault rifle.

As if this even matters. A gun is a gun. Anyways, I'm hesitant to even click the link.
#44 Posted by taterfrickintot (2851 posts) -

http://americangunfacts.com/

Ill just leave this here. all informations is sourced at the bottom of the page BTW.

#45 Posted by Planeforger (15714 posts) -


[QUOTE="Deadpool-n"]Yeah, because the same thing couldn't have been done with a handgun or a knife...LJS9502_basic

I hear this a lot (particularly the knife thing), but I'm honestly curious - do teenagers really commit that many large-scale stabbing incidents, with high mortality rates?

It seems unlikely to me, if only because their arms would get kind of tired after the third or fourth victim. Not to mention the possibilty that a decently strong adult might stand a chance of defending themselves against a kid with a knife, or could at least run out of range of a knife, and so on.

Confirmation bias. Seeking out facts that support your case and ignoring everything else. BenedictArnold7

I don't think there is a government conspiracy that is causing these shootings. There is, however, a clear anti-2nd amendment agenda being pushed by the mainstream media.Laihendi

So...what should the media do instead? Should they just not make a big deal out of incidents where multiple people get murdered?

I mean, any murder of an innocent person is a bit of a tragedy, and large-scale ones sound like pretty big deals to me.
Provided that they don't give huge publicity to the murderers themselves, these are the sorts of crimes that absolutely should be in the public eye, because if they can be prevented, that would undoubtedly be a good thing.

#46 Posted by Chutebox (37223 posts) -

It's probably going to turn out the shooter is related to the victims given how they don't remark on it being a home invasion attempt. Also it was a semi-automatic AR-15, not an assault rifle. Also that's fvcking horrible. Ace6301

AR-15 is a assault rifle. These are also semi-automatic and it's the same thing as a regular handgun (not directly towards you, but in general).

#47 Posted by PernicioEnigma (5373 posts) -
Imagine that....someone that wants to commit a crime finds a way to do so. In other news....the sun is hot.LJS9502_basic
I agree! People who really want to commit a crime are probably going to do so whether we try and stop them or not, so why even try, right?
#48 Posted by Nuck81 (5856 posts) -
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Imagine that....someone that wants to commit a crime finds a way to do so. In other news....the sun is hot.PernicioEnigma
I agree! People who really want to commit a crime are probably going to do so whether we try and stop them or not, so why even try, right?

True story, I mean Murderers are going to Murder even though it's against the law, so why make it illegal? It's COMMON SENSE!!
#49 Posted by wis3boi (31379 posts) -

[QUOTE="Ace6301"]It's probably going to turn out the shooter is related to the victims given how they don't remark on it being a home invasion attempt. Also it was a semi-automatic AR-15, not an assault rifle. Also that's fvcking horrible. Chutebox

AR-15 is a assault rifle. These are also semi-automatic and it's the same thing as a regular handgun (not directly towards you, but in general).

assault rifle = full auto

full auto = banned since '84

#50 Posted by BlackHawk340 (4418 posts) -

Its that the media make a hero out of the shooters by putting them into a spotlight in sense of "understanding" them

they should not talk about the killer in the news 24/7 but about the victims.