Which franchises need a Mature remake?

Growing up with my Nintendo and 64 (now 22 yrs old) I loved the Zelda's, Mario's, and Metroid's. I won't comment on the Wii or its library but I never play it besides Monster Hunter. Just too many games to play.

anywayz

I would love to see Mature versions of these awesome series. Whether blood, bad language, serious and moody relationships, genuine hardships, failures, and triumphs. I just.....feel nothing for the characters in their recent adventures. Just not feelin the "magic" anymore. Maybe I'm just getting older but yea.

What about you guys?

Final Fantasy ;)

Mature rated games should be banned from the shelves. In today's world, fun and visuals are more important than keeping standards/morals. That's the biggest problem with the user base. Language does not and should not be spreading to the gaming industry, as many other elements. Neither should many things that ESRB otherwise takes notice when giving a rating pending. There is no magic anywhere in details of that kind of crap. Nintendo should never make their franchises and characters involved in an M rated project. *Oh but look at what NIntendo on the Gamecube did with Geist and Eternal Darkness* NO. The developers needed a company to publish their title for, and Nintendo's minimal effort in 2006 with the Gamecube, becuase they gave up on it.wiifan001

[QUOTE="wiifan001"]Mature rated games should be banned from the shelves. In today's world, fun and visuals are more important than keeping standards/morals. That's the biggest problem with the user base. Language does not and should not be spreading to the gaming industry, as many other elements. Neither should many things that ESRB otherwise takes notice when giving a rating pending. There is no magic anywhere in details of that kind of crap. Nintendo should never make their franchises and characters involved in an M rated project. *Oh but look at what NIntendo on the Gamecube did with Geist and Eternal Darkness* NO. The developers needed a company to publish their title for, and Nintendo's minimal effort in 2006 with the Gamecube, becuase they gave up on it.JuarN18

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[QUOTE="wiifan001"]Mature rated games should be banned from the shelves. In today's world, fun and visuals are more important than keeping standards/morals. That's the biggest problem with the user base. Language does not and should not be spreading to the gaming industry, as many other elements. Neither should many things that ESRB otherwise takes notice when giving a rating pending. There is no magic anywhere in details of that kind of crap. Nintendo should never make their franchises and characters involved in an M rated project. *Oh but look at what NIntendo on the Gamecube did with Geist and Eternal Darkness* NO. The developers needed a company to publish their title for, and Nintendo's minimal effort in 2006 with the Gamecube, becuase they gave up on it.wiifan001

Mature rated games should be banned from the shelves. In today's world, fun and visuals are more important than keeping standards/morals. That's the biggest problem with the user base. Language does not and should not be spreading to the gaming industry, as many other elements. Neither should many things that ESRB otherwise takes notice when giving a rating pending. There is no magic anywhere in details of that kind of crap. Nintendo should never make their franchises and characters involved in an M rated project. *Oh but look at what NIntendo on the Gamecube did with Geist and Eternal Darkness* NO. The developers needed a company to publish their title for, and Nintendo's minimal effort in 2006 with the Gamecube, becuase they gave up on it.wiifan001

What a tool.
MOST and SOME of the best games are Mature rated, games like Mario only do so well because of their following from when they came out when there wasn't an extremely large mature game scene.

[QUOTE="wiifan001"][QUOTE="JuarN18"] Some of the best games of all time are rated M and lots of them don't contain nudity or senseless violence

I think Metroid would do good with a rated M remake. Not like God of War, but just some blood so it has a stronger feel when you hit enemies. And maybe when you kill something the body stays. I think it may add to the loneliness factor of the game. It would make Samus feel like more of a "Lone Wolf" I think.

Contra maybe?

I think Metroid would do good with a rated M remake. Not like God of War, but just some blood so it has a stronger feel when you hit enemies. And maybe when you kill something the body stays. I think it may add to the loneliness factor of the game. It would make Samus feel like more of a "Lone Wolf" I think.

AmayaPapaya

[QUOTE="wiifan001"][QUOTE="JuarN18"] Some of the best games of all time are rated M and lots of them don't contain nudity or senseless violence

JuarN18

[QUOTE="AmayaPapaya"]

I think Metroid would do good with a rated M remake. Not like God of War, but just some blood so it has a stronger feel when you hit enemies. And maybe when you kill something the body stays. I think it may add to the loneliness factor of the game. It would make Samus feel like more of a "Lone Wolf" I think.

wiifan001

I was thinking of it as a next gen thing. i know the Wii can't keep stuff like dead bodies on screen. The blood must be not very noticeable. I was thinking a little more prominent. Maybe not just like blood. But something like Killzone 2 or Red Dead Redemption, where your enemy really reacts to the shots in a realistic way. Something I was also thinking of is you can see the effect of your power on the dead bodies. Kinda so you feel like you have a huge role in the ecosystem. You shoot an enemy in the arm, it flies off (not a huge gore like arm flying around with blood squirting, but enough to make you see it) and when it dies you see the arm and body and the effects. Make sense :P

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[QUOTE="wiifan001"] They are rated M for a reason. But I am a man of chance. You get yours: Example- [insert here]funsohng

[QUOTE="wiifan001"][QUOTE="AmayaPapaya"]

I think Metroid would do good with a rated M remake. Not like God of War, but just some blood so it has a stronger feel when you hit enemies. And maybe when you kill something the body stays. I think it may add to the loneliness factor of the game. It would make Samus feel like more of a "Lone Wolf" I think.

I was thinking of it as a next gen thing. i know the Wii can't keep stuff like dead bodies on screen. The blood must be not very noticeable. I was thinking a little more prominent. Maybe not just like blood. But something like Killzone 2 or Red Dead Redemption, where your enemy really reacts to the shots in a realistic way. Something I was also thinking of is you can see the effect of your power on the dead bodies. Kinda so you feel like you have a huge role in the ecosystem. You shoot an enemy in the arm, it flies off (not a huge gore like arm flying around with blood squirting, but enough to make you see it) and when it dies you see the arm and body and the effects. Make sense :P

I think Metroid would do good with a rated M remake. Not like God of War, but just some blood so it has a stronger feel when you hit enemies. And maybe when you kill something the body stays. I think it may add to the loneliness factor of the game. It would make Samus feel like more of a "Lone Wolf" I think.

AmayaPapaya

wow...I totally agree. I mean, make me feel like I'm all alone fighting for my life for a freaking change....

Super Metroid made me feel so lonely and scared even at points with the music and environments.

I'm not saying go and put mindless stuff in but adult scenes and such really do make me feel like its real. As in game immersion......

None. If anything, YOU need to grow out of your "NEEDS MOAR BLOOD/GORE/BOOBS" phase. Only teenagers have that mindset, and you said you're 22...

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[QUOTE="wiifan001"] They are rated M for a reason. But I am a man of chance. You get yours: Example- [insert here]funsohng

YES YES YES. Oh how amazing this would be. I would love seeing Mario go through jealous episodes when Peach decides to be more attracted to Luigi. lol

None. If anything, YOU need to grow out of your "NEEDS MOAR BLOOD/GORE/BOOBS" phase. Only teenagers have that mindset, and you said you're 22...

LordQuorthon

....:?

Not sure I said any of those things.

Read post again. ;)

Nintendo will never release a game on one of its franchises with an M rating. FACT.

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[QUOTE="wiifan001"] The Metroid Prime games did have blood with some of their creatures, most commonly in MP2: Echoes.. And the bodies can't stay long due to hardware limitations.wiifan001

I was thinking of it as a next gen thing. i know the Wii can't keep stuff like dead bodies on screen. The blood must be not very noticeable. I was thinking a little more prominent. Maybe not just like blood. But something like Killzone 2 or Red Dead Redemption, where your enemy really reacts to the shots in a realistic way. Something I was also thinking of is you can see the effect of your power on the dead bodies. Kinda so you feel like you have a huge role in the ecosystem. You shoot an enemy in the arm, it flies off (not a huge gore like arm flying around with blood squirting, but enough to make you see it) and when it dies you see the arm and body and the effects. Make sense :P

Why not :o It's not like I'm talking super violence. Just realistic reaction.

I turn 22 this year myself and the reason that Nintendo's games have a magical quality to them is because they are good for almost alll ages. I've always compared them to Pixar in this regard. Both companies are keeping a dying part of their medium alive and in high quality when almost no one else will.

We NEED these games/movies

[QUOTE="wiifan001"][QUOTE="JuarN18"] Some of the best games of all time are rated M and lots of them don't contain nudity or senseless violence

JuarN18

none of those series would really benefit from an M rating. i mean it simply wouldnt make sense for mario to add blood, swearing, nudity ( :lol: ), or anything of the sort. mario has always been set in a fun and whimsical world. its cheeriness adds to the hallucinatory nature of the experience.

part of the coldness of the metroid prime series was that there was no fuss over gore. samus was continuing her investigation and had no time to dwell on things like that. you might see a wounded space pirate, but the only detail you know about was through the dictation of a cold calculating computer. thats far more chilling than hanging intestines from the walls. language? samus shouldnt be talking much anyway. nudity? unnecessary in every way.

violence might fit in hyrule due to it being midieval in setting. however, the heart of the series is exploration and not combat. even if more graphic violence did have a place in a zelda game, it wouldnt be a high priority. it doesnt need swearing because frankly zelda is classier than that (remember much swearing in lotr?). as for nudity, the n64 great faeries were as close as it got and i cant think of another place where it might fit.

there are enough games out there that think nudity, swearing, and violence are somehow more mature. i really cant think of a nintendo franchise that could really use it. nintendo has traditionally built its games in such a way that a M rating would feel unnatural.

none of those series would really benefit from an M rating. i mean it simply wouldnt make sense for mario to add blood, swearing, nudity ( :lol: ), or anything of the sort. mario has always been set in a fun and whimsical world. its cheeriness adds to the hallucinatory nature of the experience.

part of the coldness of the metroid prime series was that there was no fuss over gore. samus was continuing her investigation and had no time to dwell on things like that. you might see a wounded space pirate, but the only detail you know about was through the dictation of a cold calculating computer. thats far more chilling than hanging intestines from the walls. language? samus shouldnt be talking much anyway. nudity? unnecessary in every way.

violence might fit in hyrule due to it being midieval in setting. however, the heart of the series is exploration and not combat. even if more graphic violence did have a place in a zelda game, it wouldnt be a high priority. it doesnt need swearing because frankly zelda is classier than that (remember much swearing in lotr?). as for nudity, the n64 great faeries were as close as it got and i cant think of another place where it might fit.

there are enough games out there that think nudity, swearing, and violence are somehow more mature. i really cant think of a nintendo franchise that could really use it. nintendo has traditionally built its games in such a way that a M rating would feel unnatural.

LoG-Sacrament

Actually, the great faeries from TP's Cave of Ordeals were topless. :o
...but they had long hair so it wasn't noticeable. :P
But OoT's great faries did traumatized me when I was younger. :lol:

@Topic: I think M would suit Metroid very nicely, but its enough disturbing as it is. The Prime games had dead soldiers and space pirates on the ground, and some coming back to life. Each corpse had a description on how they died if you scan them. I remember jumping whenever there was a dead body behind some doors in Corruption. :?
Other franchises should stay with their E or T rating.
Knowing Nintendo, it will never happen 'cause it doesn't focus on all audience, dropping sales of the game.

If you're talking abt Nintendo franchise?..on a cold day in hell before that happens. Don't care if Nintendo doesn't make M-rated franchise AS LONG AS they don't censor other 3rd party games out which may contain blood ...like they did with Mortal Kombat on the SNES.

Heard alot of good things abt Heavy Rain (PS3)

Hrm... I don't see why adding gore/violence/sex would make a game better, so I'd have to say that no game franchise needs a mature remake.

None. There are great mature games out there, but that doesn't mean that Nintendo should purposely remake some of their games to get them an M rating, as none of their games are held back by a lack of violence, nudity, or foul language. This whole M rating obsession needs to stop.

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[QUOTE="wiifan001"] They are rated M for a reason. But I am a man of chance. You get yours: Example- [insert here]wiifan001

I'm not sure I understand your use of the word "senseless" here.

this ^^

By mature, do you mean the rating? If so I definitely do NOT want to see M rated Zelda and Mario. That would ruin those games.

I actually do not want any mature(rating wise) remake at all. I can do without some blood and sex in my games thank you.

I wouldn't want any of them remade to fit your personal opinion of what is mature, and neither would I want all M rated games banned just because I may disagree with them. There is currently plenty of variety out there to keep every gamers taste content, I think wanting things changed to suit you personally is exceptionally selfish.

Mature rated games should be banned from the shelves. In today's world, fun and visuals are more important than keeping standards/morals. That's the biggest problem with the user base. Language does not and should not be spreading to the gaming industry, as many other elements. Neither should many things that ESRB otherwise takes notice when giving a rating pending. There is no magic anywhere in details of that kind of crap. Nintendo should never make their franchises and characters involved in an M rated project. *Oh but look at what NIntendo on the Gamecube did with Geist and Eternal Darkness* NO. The developers needed a company to publish their title for, and Nintendo's minimal effort in 2006 with the Gamecube, becuase they gave up on it.wiifan001

wow i think you went too far with this. not all mature games need to be banned but i agree that some of them go too far.

ok so i have both a wii and ps3, and its obvious that the wii is for the main traditional games that i grew up with (and the fact that i can use it as a gamecube) and my Ps3 is for the "hardcore" mature games that are not on the wii. i think its obvious what i play on the wii but i dont play every mature title on the Ps3, i like the occasional violence (most people do) but games that have too much swearing, nudity, etc for no good reason i just dont play. i bought killzone 2 the other day, its a great game and has the usualviolence that i enjoy from time to time, buti noticed that they use the f-word in every single sentence and i thought "is there a need for all this swearing?", the game could have been as good as it is without all the swearing. of course there are games like god of war which have all violence, nudity, and im not sure about swearing but i also think that game went a little far too. i like playing god of war but i think the same when it comes to the nudity parts of the game "did they need to be there?". but 1 good example of a mature title that doesnt have too much violence (not sure about nudity cause im not too far in the game but so far there has been nothing)and absolutly no serious cussing is MGS4. anyway i dont want to write anessayso ill wrap this up

i think that no nintendo game needs a mature remake, there is no need for it cause the games are already good without the "mature" factor. i remeber zelda Tp had a little things here and there that brought it away from the "E" rating and i dont think the next zelda game should go further than Tp. mature games are not needed all the time but they should not be banned, they just need to step back a little with the extreme swearing and nudity and the occasional extreme violence, but i still think the violence is at a good level already ;).

The only 2 I can think of is Geist and Eternal Darkness but I don't want a remake of them I want a Sequel to both of them.

I wouldn't mind a game being rebooted as mature as long as it was actually a mature game with real mature content and themes, and by that I certainly don't mean adding things in to make it appeal to 13-17 year old hormony teenagers (sorry if that sounded condescending), with a bunch of swearing, over the top gore and nudity to make it seem badass. Nor do I mind if its mature in a more ironic sense, like Conker's Bad Fur Day or No More Heroes I wouldn't mind either.

But I'm not sure if any of Nintendo's franchises are really appropriate for that kind of reboot. I think their best candidate is in fact Fire Emblem. Fire Emblem is probably one of Nintendo's most story intensive franchise, and past games have had a lot of mature themes in them. I wouldn't be against a mature reboot of it, perhaps with a "show the reality of wars" type grittiness.

I wouldn't mind a game being rebooted as mature as long as it was actually a mature game with real mature content and themes, and by that I certainly don't mean adding things in to make it appeal to 13-17 year old hormony teenagers (sorry if that sounded condescending), with a bunch of swearing, over the top gore and nudity to make it seem badass. Nor do I mind if its mature in a more ironic sense, like Conker's Bad Fur Day or No More Heroes I wouldn't mind either.

But I'm not sure if any of Nintendo's franchises are really appropriate for that kind of reboot. I think their best candidate is in fact Fire Emblem. Fire Emblem is probably one of Nintendo's most story intensive franchise, and past games have had a lot of mature themes in them. I wouldn't be against a mature reboot of it, perhaps with a "show the reality of wars" type grittiness.

None...There very few mature ratted games I care for. Making a game mature just for sales would be a lame reason. HarlockJC

And in the case of the Wii's biggest and best games, it wouldn't even be helping sales, but rather hurting them big time. Developers would just be making a game 'M' rated for the sake of the rating itself, and that's a silly way to develop video games, IMO.

I can't see any of the elements that the TC mentioned in regards to 'Mature' games actually benefiting the premiere Wii titles. The whole nature of the Wii is creating a gaming environment where it's easy for anyone to pick up and enjoy a game almost off the bat, so the idea of throwing blood, foul language, or emotional-driven content wouldn't serve any real positive benefit. The beauty of the Wii's best and brightest games is that they're a polar opposite from the mindset that taking such a 'Mature' approach is the best and only way to go. I think the majority of the Wii userbase would prefer things stay the way they are, too.

[QUOTE="_BlueDuck_"]

I wouldn't mind a game being rebooted as mature as long as it was actually a mature game with real mature content and themes, and by that I certainly don't mean adding things in to make it appeal to 13-17 year old hormony teenagers (sorry if that sounded condescending), with a bunch of swearing, over the top gore and nudity to make it seem badass. Nor do I mind if its mature in a more ironic sense, like Conker's Bad Fur Day or No More Heroes I wouldn't mind either.

But I'm not sure if any of Nintendo's franchises are really appropriate for that kind of reboot. I think their best candidate is in fact Fire Emblem. Fire Emblem is probably one of Nintendo's most story intensive franchise, and past games have had a lot of mature themes in them. I wouldn't be against a mature reboot of it, perhaps with a "show the reality of wars" type grittiness.

erdemn

Indeed. And of course I just don't mean adding blood to the battle animations either. Fire Emblem deals with lots of mature themes such as permanent death (which oddly enough very few games do), racism, war crimes, genocide, etc. I can certainly see these themes being carried a step forward and portrayed in a more provocative, impactful way successfully.

there are more then enough games that offer what you want.

i understand what you mean though, you want nintendo to mature up one of their series so you can enjoy them more.

I want rockstar to make a surrealistic sandbox game, with crazy characters and a weird world to explore, but hey, we can dream on.

I wouldn't mind a game being rebooted as mature as long as it was actually a mature game with real mature content and themes, and by that I certainly don't mean adding things in to make it appeal to 13-17 year old hormony teenagers (sorry if that sounded condescending), with a bunch of swearing, over the top gore and nudity to make it seem badass. Nor do I mind if its mature in a more ironic sense, like Conker's Bad Fur Day or No More Heroes I wouldn't mind either.

But I'm not sure if any of Nintendo's franchises are really appropriate for that kind of reboot. I think their best candidate is in fact Fire Emblem. Fire Emblem is probably one of Nintendo's most story intensive franchise, and past games have had a lot of mature themes in them. I wouldn't be against a mature reboot of it, perhaps with a "show the reality of wars" type grittiness.

_BlueDuck_

Hey, that's an idea. I can see that working. As long as it was more mature without being forcefully so, with unneeded blood and gore and explicit material.

A more mature Metroid- that could be done.

More mature Zelda- ehh, that might be pushing it. It's not really what the series is about; it wouldn't have the same charm.

More mature Mario- come on, that's just laughable.

Mature rated games should be banned from the shelves. In today's world, fun and visuals are more important than keeping standards/morals. That's the biggest problem with the user base. Language does not and should not be spreading to the gaming industry, as many other elements. Neither should many things that ESRB otherwise takes notice when giving a rating pending. There is no magic anywhere in details of that kind of crap. Nintendo should never make their franchises and characters involved in an M rated project. *Oh but look at what NIntendo on the Gamecube did with Geist and Eternal Darkness* NO. The developers needed a company to publish their title for, and Nintendo's minimal effort in 2006 with the Gamecube, becuase they gave up on it.wiifan001

My god you're pretentious.

Anyways, none of Nintendo's main franchises should convert to M for Mature. It just doesn't have the circumstance for it. I mean, is Mario gonna suddenly bust out knives and cut people to ribbons a la Kratos? No, because it'd be stupid in a Mario game. Just like it would be stupid for Kratos to be able to kill things solely by jumoing on their heads or receiving the power of fire from a flower.

How about none? Nintendo would shoot themselves in the foot if they did that, and their appeal to non-gamers would go out the window.

Meh, none. Since Mature by ESRB and most developers standards is mature by the standards of a 12yr old, I don't think I'm missing anything with Metroid not being rated M. Actually mature themes, not just basic violence or language is sometimes in the background, its very very rarely at the fore front of a game. I'm sure its that way because even though a game is rated M, publishers don't want to alienate kids.

A game with themes that are above the pay grade of a prepubescent is FO3, hidden under the excess and amusing violence are themes of fear, desperation, loneliness, and a message about how thin the line between society and chaos is. A child would never understand that, so your not going to make a game solely about that too often.You want to see that, you have to pull back the layers. Other M may offer a look at some of this in its background of blasting alien fools lol. You don't have to have an M on the box to actually look at mature themes.

In most cases an M on the box is an absolute regression from maturity because it comes with the expectations of childish maturity. Look at TP, it has some mature themes of solitude, a person having the weight of the world on their shoulders, self sacrifice and a few other things, but in the typically Japanese development style, they put some bubble gum on it, to lighten it up a bit.

Nintendo should just create another franchise if they wanted to do that.

Nintendo should just create another franchise if they wanted to do that.

VGobbsesser

I wouldn't mind a game being rebooted as mature as long as it was actually a mature game with real mature content and themes, and by that I certainly don't mean adding things in to make it appeal to 13-17 year old hormony teenagers (sorry if that sounded condescending), with a bunch of swearing, over the top gore and nudity to make it seem badass. Nor do I mind if its mature in a more ironic sense, like Conker's Bad Fur Day or No More Heroes I wouldn't mind either.

But I'm not sure if any of Nintendo's franchises are really appropriate for that kind of reboot. I think their best candidate is in fact Fire Emblem. Fire Emblem is probably one of Nintendo's most story intensive franchise, and past games have had a lot of mature themes in them. I wouldn't be against a mature reboot of it, perhaps with a "show the reality of wars" type grittiness.

_BlueDuck_

I agree. This was what I was trying to convey to you guys. M-Rated games can provide much more than the "sex", "language", and "blood" you keep referring to.