Starfox

Why didnt it came out for WII? I think it is one of the best nintendo franchises.

You're not the only one wondering where it is. One of these days Nintendo will give in. :)

I prefer the Sin and Punishment game(s).

Why didnt it came out for WII? I think it is one of the best nintendo franchises.

Brazucass

Apparently titles like Starfox just arent big enough to be developed, not when they could be making another mario platformer for the Wii (already at 3), something that would guarente big sales.

Thats what I've concluded after arguing it out with a few ppl,

"Its common business sense to give consumers what they want. A few people in a forum ranting about how they want a new Star Fox or Donkey Kong != people in the real world who want more Mario."

I prefer the Sin and Punishment game(s).

Shy_Guy_Red

Apparently titles like Starfox just arent big enough to be developed, not when they could be making another mario platformer for the Wii (already at 3), something that would guarente big sales.

Thats what I've concluded after arguing it out with a few ppl,

"Its common business sense to give consumers what they want. A few people in a forum ranting about how they want a new Star Fox or Donkey Kong != people in the real world who want more Mario."

kenakuma

I did not say that Starfox wasn't big enough to be developed. If that was the case, then there would be no Punch Out or Sin and Punishment 2, as thoese two aren't really blockbuster hits.

Your argument was that there shouldn't be 3 Mario platformers in one gen, on one console and I refuted that argument saying that its good business decision to release a Mario game as long as fans crave for it. My point was entirely based on a business decision comparing Mario and Starfox. In which case, Mario would win, because, of course, Mario sells. That's not to say that Nintendo should not create a new Starfox game. But as I said before, it is a wise business decision to release Mario as long as there is a demand for it(which again, you were saying Nintendo should not do.)

A new Starfox game will come eventually. If not, go play S&P2 or whatever else Nintendo will announce at E3.

The console's lifespan isn't over as yet, just wait.

I´m waiting for a Zelda game right now :D

but I could use a Star Fox game :)

I´m waiting for a Zelda game right now :D

but I could use a Star Fox game :)

unrealtron

AGREED!

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Apparently titles like Starfox just arent big enough to be developed, not when they could be making another mario platformer for the Wii (already at 3), something that would guarente big sales.

Thats what I've concluded after arguing it out with a few ppl,

"Its common business sense to give consumers what they want. A few people in a forum ranting about how they want a new Star Fox or Donkey Kong != people in the real world who want more Mario."

Shottayouth13-

I did not say that Starfox wasn't big enough to be developed. If that was the case, then there would be no Punch Out or Sin and Punishment 2, as thoese two aren't really blockbuster hits.

Your argument was that there shouldn't be 3 Mario platformers in one gen, on one console and I refuted that argument saying that its good business decision to release a Mario game as long as fans crave for it. My point was entirely based on a business decision comparing Mario and Starfox. In which case, Mario would win, because, of course, Mario sells. That's not to say that Nintendo should not create a new Starfox game. But as I said before, it is a wise business decision to release Mario as long as there is a demand for it(which again, you were saying Nintendo should not do.)

A new Starfox game will come eventually. If not, go play S&P2 or whatever else Nintendo will announce at E3.

The console's lifespan isn't over as yet, just wait.

"Its common business sense to give consumers what they want. A few people in a forum ranting about how they want a new Star Fox or Donkey Kong != people in the real world who want more Mario."

^Thats basically saying starfox isn't big enough compared to games like mario.

But yeah I get your point, no need to express it any more :P

Japanese audience dont' like Starfox?...that's one of the reasons mentioned *in anohter StarFox Wii topic*. Basically if it doesn't do well in Japan it won't be considered/priority -> Nintendo Japan is bias/racist. :P

Apparently titles like Starfox just arent big enough to be developed, not when they could be making another mario platformer for the Wii (already at 3), something that would guarente big sales.

Thats what I've concluded after arguing it out with a few ppl,

"Its common business sense to give consumers what they want. A few people in a forum ranting about how they want a new Star Fox or Donkey Kong != people in the real world who want more Mario."

kenakuma

Japanese audience dont' like Starfox?...that's one of the reasons mentioned *in anohter StarFox Wii topic*. Basically if it doesn't do well in Japan it won't be considered/priority -> Nintendo Japan is bias/racist. :P

maxgil2

There is no audience for bad Star Fox games. There is a huge audience for good Star Fox games. We really have not had a clear cut good Star Fox since the N64 which sold over 4 million.

Why didnt it came out for WII? I think it is one of the best nintendo franchises.

Brazucass

[QUOTE="kenakuma"]

Apparently titles like Starfox just arent big enough to be developed, not when they could be making another mario platformer for the Wii (already at 3), something that would guarente big sales.

Thats what I've concluded after arguing it out with a few ppl,

"Its common business sense to give consumers what they want. A few people in a forum ranting about how they want a new Star Fox or Donkey Kong != people in the real world who want more Mario."

thedude-

Thank you, thats what I've been saying all along!

Heres to "the dude"! Awesome movie btw, every forumn needs a " the dude"!

[QUOTE="thedude-"][QUOTE="kenakuma"]

Apparently titles like Starfox just arent big enough to be developed, not when they could be making another mario platformer for the Wii (already at 3), something that would guarente big sales.

Thats what I've concluded after arguing it out with a few ppl,

"Its common business sense to give consumers what they want. A few people in a forum ranting about how they want a new Star Fox or Donkey Kong != people in the real world who want more Mario."

kenakuma

Thank you, thats what I've been saying all along!

Heres to "the dude"! Awesome movie btw, every forumn needs a " the dude"!

Nintendo has a load of franchises yet only Mario, Metroid and The Legend of Zelda have been getting the spotlight. Great franchises, but some diversification would be nice.

If we all send enough emails, even a link to this page, then maybe they will make one

Personally I'm not too keen to see it pop up on the wii ... every installment of starfox since the N64 so far has been ... well ruined by nintendo and various devs fiddling with the formula and just ignoring the wise old saying "if it aint broke, dont fix it" I'd be more excited to see star wing on the virtual console rather than a new one (thats the original star fox as it was known in the UK)

It is a classic. BTW every forum needs a Ryu as well. ;)thedude-

Thats why I've had this avatar since like 06 and never plan on changing it!

[QUOTE="thedude-"]It is a classic. BTW every forum needs a Ryu as well. ;)kenakuma

Thats why I've had this avatar since like 06 and never plan on changing it!

[QUOTE="kenakuma"]

[QUOTE="thedude-"]It is a classic. BTW every forum needs a Ryu as well. ;)BrunoBRS

Thats why I've had this avatar since like 06 and never plan on changing it!

I wanted to go for RyuKen but that was taken unfortunatly :(

It all worked out in a kinda cool ironic way!

Someone said it earlier, you need diversity. Otherwise Mario, Zelda, and Metroid become a crutch.

Someone said it earlier, you need diversity. Otherwise Mario, Zelda, and Metroid become a crutch.

thedude-

That would be me. I am awesome.

If we all send enough emails, even a link to this page, then maybe they will make one

nintenjoe3

If we all send enough emails, even a link to this page, then maybe they will make one

nintenjoe3

Well of course more people buy Mario games than StarFox. Nintendo spends a lot more resources and time on Zelda and Mario games into giant gaming experiences. Its because they ALWAYS make their main Zelda and Mario games top notch quality. However they do not give this treatment to other franchises...ever. Why, then, would it be surprising that the other games sell less? If Nintendo made an extremely high quality game of another franchise that they put comparable time and resources into, I'm sure it would sell comparatively well. Mario is a household name....and a lot of it has to do with the mostly high quality of his titles.TheLordMagnus

Good point. It's also because Nintendo has another company work on Star Fox games like Rare and Namco. If they were to make another Star Fox, they would probably have another developer to work on that. However, the Star Fox fans have always wanted another game like Star Fox 64, and it looks as though ever developer since then has done different ideas and concepts that disappoint them. Would you rather want another Star Fox if it wasn't going to be in the same classic direction like before?

If and when they make a Star Fox game, I wouldn't be surprised if they still not use the 64 formula. I hope not though.

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If we all send enough emails, even a link to this page, then maybe they will make one

thedude-

i wonder why also. i thought it was dumb for them to end the series on the ds( personally i thought starfox:command sucked) but they are giving the mario, zelda, and metroid games all the spotlight. we really need a star fox game. hell we really need a f-zero, kirby, and earthbound game on the wii as well.

i wonder why also. i thought it was dumb for them to end the series on the ds( personally i thought starfox:command sucked) but they are giving the mario, zelda, and metroid games all the spotlight. we really need a star fox game. hell we really need a f-zero, kirby, and earthbound game on the wii as well.

bigmouthkid

i love zelda and mario but i realy am not that exited for the new zelda or mario...

[QUOTE="thedude-"][QUOTE="nintenjoe3"]

If we all send enough emails, even a link to this page, then maybe they will make one

kingdavid562

[QUOTE="thedude-"]

Someone said it earlier, you need diversity. Otherwise Mario, Zelda, and Metroid become a crutch.

Hexagon_777

I am awesome.

[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]

[QUOTE="thedude-"]

Someone said it earlier, you need diversity. Otherwise Mario, Zelda, and Metroid become a crutch.

Sepewrath

I am awesome.

I just realized a while ago that today is the 17th anniversary of the first Star Fox. Go figure.

[QUOTE="kingdavid562"][QUOTE="thedude-"] Ya I am sure that will work. Just as soon as they release Mother in the West. thedude-

[QUOTE="Sepewrath"][QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]

I am awesome.

thedude-

Starfox started big because it was one of the if not the first home console games that had actual polygons rendered onscreen. It was a great game as well. Starfox 64 is considered by most to be the pinnacle of the series, and even then, neither had the high critical acclaim the "big three" has had. Both are considered great games regardless.

As a huge F-Zero fan, the original had the novelty of displaying "Mode 7" graphics for the first time. It still wasn't that big in the sales region despite it being a great game. F-Zero GX is still my favorite racing game but it too lacked commercial and critical(compared to the "big three")success.

The DKC series was big because the novelty of "pre-rendered" graphics which were cutting edge at the time. Not to take away from the games themselves(which I absolutely loved), but not since then or the original Donkey Kong game has DK ever been both commercially or critically successful.

Even today, Metroid doesn't sell that well compared to Mario or their biggest franchises.

Bottom line, I truly believe Nintendo is simply giving us what we want the MOST. A new Zelda, a sequel to arguably the greatest game of this gen(SMG), and a new Metroid that is really different from any traditional Metroid that has come before.

But like Seperath has already stated that is very obvious, you and everyone taking the "Nintendo is copping out" view have ignored the fact that a new Punch-Out, Fire Emblem, new Sin & Punishment, under development Pikmin, Exicte series and Wario Land games, ALL NON "BIG THREE" NINTENDO FRANCHISES FROM NINTENDO"S STORIED HISTORY, has seen a revival of some sorts. What am I missing here?

[QUOTE="thedude-"][QUOTE="Sepewrath"] I...disagree. But seriously its funny when people say its always Mario, Metroid and Zelda. They seem to ignore things like Wii Sports, the Excite series, Warioland, Wario Ware, Endless Ocean, Punchout, Smash, Kart, Pikmin, Sin & Punishment and Kid Icarus may have been in the works. Its only Mario and Zelda only because its not the particular series that THEY want. Just because they want F-Zero and its a no show so far, Nintendo is only focusing on 3 series.FFCYAN

Starfox started big because it was one of the if not the first home console games that had actual polygons rendered onscreen. It was a great game as well. Starfox 64 is considered by most to be the pinnacle of the series, and even then, neither had the high critical acclaim the "big three" has had. Both are considered great games regardless.

As a huge F-Zero fan, the original had the novelty of displaying "Mode 7" graphics for the first time. It still wasn't that big in the sales region despite it being a great game. F-Zero GX is still my favorite racing game but it too lacked commercial and critical(compared to the "big three")success.

The DKC series was big because the novelty of "pre-rendered" graphics which were cutting edge at the time. Not to take away from the games themselves(which I absolutely loved), but not since then or the original Donkey Kong game has DK ever been both commercially or critically successful.

Even today, Metroid doesn't sell that well compared to Mario or their biggest franchises.

Bottom line, I truly believe Nintendo is simply giving us what we want the MOST. A new Zelda, a sequel to arguably the greatest game of this gen(SMG), and a new Metroid that is really different from any traditional Metroid that has come before.

But like Seperath has already stated that is very obvious, you and everyone taking the "Nintendo is copping out" view have ignored the fact that a new Punch-Out, Fire Emblem, new Sin & Punishment, under development Pikmin, Exicte series and Wario Land games, ALL NON "BIG THREE" NINTENDO FRANCHISES FROM NINTENDO"S STORIED HISTORY, has seen a revival of some sorts. What am I missing here?

See Nintendo does not have that second tier anymore without games like DK and Star Fox being good. thedude-

That pretty much sums up how I feel about this subject.

Myself (along with many many other ninty gamers) feel like the only ninty titles were always waiting on are the huge ones like mario/zelda/metroid at this point, and those games can take years for release!

What happened to the 2nd tier? Wheres the middle ground to hold us over? I know 3rd party's are suppossed to fill this gap for the most part but they obviously arent doing a great job at it...

Throw us some semi-huge games like kirby, starfox, f zero, wave race, pikmin, dk, pilot wings, ect, a few times a year! These games are big enough to keep us entertained for months but dont take away from the major releases like mario and zelda.

I know ninty used to be like this because as a company they would obviously want consistent software sales but when you look at the bigger picture this gen the "wii" games really have filled in those software sale spots with the millions their selling so ninty dosent really need to rely on the 2nd tier core games as much imo for sales.

I am pretty sure it will come eventually. This generation is far from over.

I said almost as big as in bigger than the games that you think are suitable substitutes. DK64 was huge. Selling over 5 million. See Nintendo does not have that second tier anymore without games like DK and Star Fox being good. You keep mentioning these novelty visual **** like first time polygon rendering, mode 7 and such but those features are not what made the series, they were just cool features that were part of the series.

DCK, played today, would not have had the same impact it did, like the novelties I mentioned, because those were what brought those said games their bigggest strengths. You can't seriously tell me the cutting edge graphics didn't play a part in that game's massive appeal. Those graphics were the main selling point. DK never had the draw power Mario had before then. Think about it, did Donkey Kong have anything going on before Donkey Kong Country came out? Not really.

To F-Zero's credit, it did give birth to the futuristic racer genre and Starfox was a cool evolution in rail shooters like Space Harrier, but anticipating those games back then before they came out, I really was most excited Starfox was giving us real poygons and I'm sure that was a feeling many had when it first released. I know you are saying these games were great and I already agreed they are having played them all, but my point is still valid that these games really benefited from being cutting edge. I was there. Mode 7 and the Super FX chip were a big deal back then. It helped those games sell.

You are missing a lot... Pikmin, Excite, Fire Emblem were not as big of a deal as DK, Star Fox, and even F-Zero to an extent. Now that we do not have DK, Star Fox, and F-Zero and proper devs to support them some fans are feeling the library gap.

As in Starfox, F-Zero and DK fans are mad they didn't get a new game. Obviously. Well, what about the Pikmin fans? ? Well, what about them? There aren't as many Pikmin fans as say, Starfox. **** them. They are not big franchises so whatever, right? If Nintendo didn't annouced a Pikmin game and said they were making a Starfox game instead, this thread would still exist, only the title would be, uh...Pikmin. What about ol' Punch-Out fans that have been waiting for a new games since 1994? Sin & Punishment didn't even have major fanbase until the success of the Virtual Console release of a game that never saw North America before the VC. Due to the sales of that game on the VC, Nintendo assumed that what we wanted to see, hence production of S&P 2.

Because of the lack of success from their lower franchises Nintendo is just planning on releasing the next iterations of franchises that are guaranteed success. Now I guess this is not that big of a problem IF Nintendo can release these games sometime this generation and make them good.

Why would Nintendo bother with Pikmin if Pikmin isn't even second tier, like you said? S&P is a fairly obscure hit, what's the point of a sequel when something like Nintendogs Wii would satisfy this irrational conclusion Nintendo is playing this gen super safe and desperate now?

You may think Nintendo does not need to do anything more since Mario, Zelda, and Metroid have been so successful this generation, but think long term and you will see the problem of drying the well.

I know you are not referring to money, as Nintendo's well overflowed and has made a huge lake from the well spot. My only conclusion from all this is certain fans are pissed there is no new game for whatever series they love, which you could blame Nintendo for for making so many beloved franchises to begin with. That doesn't mean they now HAVE TO make a new this or that for every single console release they do. Punch-Out fans waited, why can't Starfox fans stop being selfish?

Speaking on thelong term, DK, Starfox and F-Zero did not help Nintendo claim dominace in the N64 era, Gamecube era and certainly not the Wii era. I don't know where you or anyone else is going with all this...thedude-

[QUOTE="thedude-"]

I said almost as big as in bigger than the games that you think are suitable substitutes. DK64 was huge. Selling over 5 million. See Nintendo does not have that second tier anymore without games like DK and Star Fox being good. You keep mentioning these novelty visual **** like first time polygon rendering, mode 7 and such but those features are not what made the series, they were just cool features that were part of the series.

DCK, played today, would not have had the same impact it did, like the novelties I mentioned, because those were what brought those said games their bigggest strengths. You can't seriously tell me the cutting edge graphics didn't play a part in that game's massive appeal. Those graphics were the main selling point. DK never had the draw power Mario had before then. Think about it, did Donkey Kong have anything going on before Donkey Kong Country came out? Not really.

To F-Zero's credit, it did give birth to the futuristic racer genre and Starfox was a cool evolution in rail shooters like Space Harrier, but anticipating those games back then before they came out, I really was most excited Starfox was giving us real poygons and I'm sure that was a feeling many had when it first released. I know you are saying these games were great and I already agreed they are having played them all, but my point is still valid that these games really benefited from being cutting edge. I was there. Mode 7 and the Super FX chip were a big deal back then. It helped those games sell.

You are missing a lot... Pikmin, Excite, Fire Emblem were not as big of a deal as DK, Star Fox, and even F-Zero to an extent. Now that we do not have DK, Star Fox, and F-Zero and proper devs to support them some fans are feeling the library gap.

As in Starfox, F-Zero and DK fans are mad they didn't get a new game. Obviously. Well, what about the Pikmin fans? ? Well, what about them? There aren't as many Pikmin fans as say, Starfox. **** them. They are not big franchises so whatever, right? If Nintendo didn't annouced a Pikmin game and said they were making a Starfox game instead, this thread would still exist, only the title would be, uh...Pikmin. What about ol' Punch-Out fans that have been waiting for a new games since 1994? Sin & Punishment didn't even have major fanbase until the success of the Virtual Console release of a game that never saw North America before the VC. Due to the sales of that game on the VC, Nintendo assumed that what we wanted to see, hence production of S&P 2.

Because of the lack of success from their lower franchises Nintendo is just planning on releasing the next iterations of franchises that are guaranteed success. Now I guess this is not that big of a problem IF Nintendo can release these games sometime this generation and make them good.

Why would Nintendo bother with Pikmin if Pikmin isn't even second tier, like you said? S&P is a fairly obscure hit, what's the point of a sequel when something like Nintendogs Wii would satisfy this irrational conclusion Nintendo is playing this gen super safe and desperate now?

You may think Nintendo does not need to do anything more since Mario, Zelda, and Metroid have been so successful this generation, but think long term and you will see the problem of drying the well.

I know you are not referring to money, as Nintendo's well overflowed and has made a huge lake from the well spot. My only conclusion from all this is certain fans are pissed there is no new game for whatever series they love, which you could blame Nintendo for for making so many beloved franchises to begin with. That doesn't mean they now HAVE TO make a new this or that for every single console release they do. Punch-Out fans waited, why can't Starfox fans stop being selfish?

Speaking on thelong term, DK, Starfox and F-Zero did not help Nintendo claim dominace in the N64 era, Gamecube era and certainly not the Wii era. I don't know where you or anyone else is going with all this...FFCYAN