my friend tells me that the storyline of twlight princess is really bad...

TP had a stupid, stinky, fat, poopy, looserish storyline. A retard can think of better material, and that is no lie.FPSjohn

is that true..trackxcboi

wow looks like zelda fanboys are in abundance today. You people are moronscaptain0bvious5

So tell me then, because the story is not as good as OOT it is automatically bad? calling people morons for blindly defending a franchise they like is one thing, but when you are arguing that the story is bad merely because there are better storys about thats just as stupid. 

[QUOTE="captain0bvious5"]wow looks like zelda fanboys are in abundance today. You people are moronscsliney

So tell me then, because the story is not as good as OOT it is automatically bad? calling people morons for blindly defending a franchise they like is one thing, but when you are arguing that the story is bad merely because there are better storys about thats just as stupid. 

Um, what else are people supposed to do?  If there was only ONE story in the whole world, and it was Dr. Seuss's Red Fish Blue Fish, of course we'd compar it to that.  The only way to judge a story's merit is how it holds up to its contemporaries.

let me ask you all one thing...through-out all of OOT....is there even one character that is as interesting as Midna?..... Or the Yetti's for that matter:P

*Sheik doesn't count. Just because it was surprising to find out that he was actually a chick doesn't make him/her a good character* 

let me ask you all one thing...through-out all of OT....is there even one character that is as interesting as Midna?

*Sheik doesn't count. Just because it was surprising to find out that he was actually a chick doesn't make him/her a good character* 

Shinobishyguy

What makes Midna so special?  She's pretty simple, even though there's a whole fiction wrought around her existence, she's not as special as all the stronger characters lik Durania, Saria, Ruto, Shiek, Zelda, Impa, and Ganondorf himself from Ocarina.  What role did Zant really play?  So he made hyrule dusky, big deal.  Or Ganondorf in Tp.  They're just there.

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let me ask you all one thing...through-out all of OT....is there even one character that is as interesting as Midna?

*Sheik doesn't count. Just because it was surprising to find out that he was actually a chick doesn't make him/her a good character* 

callmewaffle

What makes Midna so special?  She's pretty simple, even though there's a whole fiction wrought around her existence, she's not as special as all the stronger characters lik Durania, Saria, Ruto, Shiek, Zelda, Impa, and Ganondorf himself from Ocarina.  What role did Zant really play?  So he made hyrule dusky, big deal.  Or Ganondorf in Tp.  They're just there.

TP just felt like a side story in the great Zelda storyline...it has nothing to do with OOT or WW. It makes no sense to the rest of the games. At least, what I, or a regular person understands of the story.  Of course this is my opinion.

[QUOTE="callmewaffle"][QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]

let me ask you all one thing...through-out all of OT....is there even one character that is as interesting as Midna?

*Sheik doesn't count. Just because it was surprising to find out that he was actually a chick doesn't make him/her a good character* 

Shinobishyguy

What makes Midna so special?  She's pretty simple, even though there's a whole fiction wrought around her existence, she's not as special as all the stronger characters lik Durania, Saria, Ruto, Shiek, Zelda, Impa, and Ganondorf himself from Ocarina.  What role did Zant really play?  So he made hyrule dusky, big deal.  Or Ganondorf in Tp.  They're just there.

Wow way to dumb it down, The sages are oftentimes people Link knows who when he encounters in teh future are struggling to combat Ganon's evil.  When Link meets Saria in the future, its really touching.  Never got that in TP.  Midna just manipulates you, then abruptly changes her attitude for some reason midway through.

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="callmewaffle"][QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]

let me ask you all one thing...through-out all of OT....is there even one character that is as interesting as Midna?

*Sheik doesn't count. Just because it was surprising to find out that he was actually a chick doesn't make him/her a good character* 

callmewaffle

What makes Midna so special?  She's pretty simple, even though there's a whole fiction wrought around her existence, she's not as special as all the stronger characters lik Durania, Saria, Ruto, Shiek, Zelda, Impa, and Ganondorf himself from Ocarina.  What role did Zant really play?  So he made hyrule dusky, big deal.  Or Ganondorf in Tp.  They're just there.

Wow way to dumb it down, The sages are oftentimes people Link knows who when he encounters in teh future are struggling to combat Ganon's evil.  When Link meets Saria in the future, its really touching.  Never got that in TP.  Midna just manipulates you, then abruptly changes her attitude for some reason midway through.

[QUOTE="Wintry_Flutist"][QUOTE="mario_bros_"][QUOTE="Wintry_Flutist"]

[QUOTE="ColonialMustard"]Based upon what? In my experience with Zelda games the stories have always been very basic. It was always the gameplay that pushed the player to the end of the game. So I'm curious, what zelda game has got your standards up so high?? I'm guessing Ocarina, which I'll agree has a better story, but it still isn't that great compared to some of the Final Fantasy's and Metal Gear Solid's. Then again it's all a matter of opinion, isn't it? Shinobishyguy

Exactly, Zelda usually is about the gameplay. But Nintendo decided to put a story, to make a more complex fighting system (hidden skills), to have a parallel world mechanic, the wolf mechanic, etc... They wanted to have everything. Obviously they'd never exceed in all aspects, yet it was pretty clear they wanted to have everything, which is just impossible. If they had focused in one aspect (what happened to the whole animal interaction they were bragging about when 'Zelda 2005' was announced? It's barely there) and almost inevitably exceeded, which is what Nintendo usually does, there wouldn't have been an OK story, an OK fighting, a mediocre parallel world... There's even some gimmickish gameplay in the main quest (Goron sumo, saving the carriage, flying with the beast) in a very Metal Gear like fashion. In the end TP tends too much to a Jack-of-all-trades-master-of-none.

It's not complicated, it just is a waste to try to improve all aspects of the game, and after years of development, do it in a pretty mediocre way. At the end, few things are memorable, as none of them has reached, let's say, quintessence - and if you think Nintendo just meant they'd make an enjoyable game when they said "it's the best Zelda and most beautiful game Nintendo has ever made", then their standards are pretty messed up, because its impact in the industry - as for gaming design - is near zero, unlike OoT or WW. As for the "new" things they added, most of them may be new in Zelda, but have been done to death (and way better) in many other games. Unless for someone who only plays Zelda, it's far from fantastic. Jeff rated TP 8.8 not because he's the bad guy who thinks it's fun to disagree with millions of gamers, but just because TP does pretty much everything a Zelda has to do, but nothing so well it will inspire designers or be remembered for years. Yet, it has pros enough to be what Gamespot rates as a "great" game.

From an artistic standpoint, it did. "Art direction" started being taken more in consideration, after all discussions WW provoked.

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let me ask you all one thing...through-out all of OT....is there even one character that is as interesting as Midna?

*Sheik doesn't count. Just because it was surprising to find out that he was actually a chick doesn't make him/her a good character* 

callmewaffle

What makes Midna so special?  She's pretty simple, even though there's a whole fiction wrought around her existence, she's not as special as all the stronger characters lik Durania, Saria, Ruto, Shiek, Zelda, Impa, and Ganondorf himself from Ocarina.  What role did Zant really play?  So he made hyrule dusky, big deal.  Or Ganondorf in Tp.  They're just there.

I agree with you, I think Nintendo should have focused more on TP characters. Even the Rito postman in WW was an interesting character. The weird thing is that many chars in TP are very well designed, as the Goron Elders, still I don't find them as memorable or interesting. It's like they have no soul, as if Nintendo didn't put love enough while making TP.

[QUOTE="callmewaffle"][QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]

let me ask you all one thing...through-out all of OT....is there even one character that is as interesting as Midna?

*Sheik doesn't count. Just because it was surprising to find out that he was actually a chick doesn't make him/her a good character* 

Wintry_Flutist

What makes Midna so special?  She's pretty simple, even though there's a whole fiction wrought around her existence, she's not as special as all the stronger characters lik Durania, Saria, Ruto, Shiek, Zelda, Impa, and Ganondorf himself from Ocarina.  What role did Zant really play?  So he made hyrule dusky, big deal.  Or Ganondorf in Tp.  They're just there.

I agree with you, I think Nintendo should have focused more on TP characters. Even the Rito postman in WW was an interesting character. The weird thing is that many chars in TP are very well designed, as the Goron Elders, still I don't find them as memorable or interesting. It's like they have no soul, as if Nintendo didn't put love enough while making TP.

well first has your friend even played twilight princess.Mortaci

actually yes he has

hes in the water temple 

[QUOTE="Mortaci"]well first has your friend even played twilight princess.trackxcboi

actually yes he has

hes in the water temple 

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[QUOTE="Mortaci"]well first has your friend even played twilight princess.Shinobishyguy

actually yes he has

hes in the water temple 

And everyone knows you can't judge a story until you're 3/4s through the game :roll:

While I agree the story could be improved on (predictable much?), it doesn't even really begin until AFTER the water temple.

 If your friend is in the water temple now, ask him what he thinks of it after beating the boss there. ;)

[QUOTE="trackxcboi"][QUOTE="Wintry_Flutist"]

[QUOTE="trackxcboi"]wow you all take games way to seriouslyWintry_Flutist

Why shouldn't we?

dont u have any other sort of life other than video games? 

Videogames are an important part of my life and I'm proud of it. Let me explain why:

As you may notice in my username, I study the flute. That leads, of course, to the study of art as a whole. If you studied art, you'd know since the 20th century it has been relying on interaction, mainly in theater (the public is often asked to participate) and music (all kind of stuff, from the use of dices to the interference of present elements). While interaction started being used in more explicit ways in art, as in those examples, another kind of cultural expression, built on interaction instead of using it as one of its elements, was born and started evolving - it's nowadays known as "videogames" but is reaching such broader audiences, that the word "game" cannot define it properly anymore. "Interactive software" is closer to it.

I'm not the kind of guy who try to provoke people by saying they have no life just because they play games, but I do realize its importance in modern culture, and its potential to be soon regarded as the 8th art. Therefore I will take games seriously instead of trying to sound cool by bashing people's interest.

Yeah, gaming is a multi-billion dollar industry for a reason: it's an extremely multi-faceted one. (Like you were saying about the flute) I play the French Horn so I have a special appreciation for a game's musicality. Unlike movies, videogames allow you to interact with your surroundings which makes it all the more immersive.

I liked Twilight Princess because of the overall experience (If you want to read my review for my full opinion, then help yourselves!). I thought the story was very personal, making it more realistic and plausible given its epic but quaint context. The music matched this mood quite nicely- an epic track with a hint of nostalgia that wasn't over-the-top.

But like you said, we all have our opinions, and people's opinions are mainly based on their experiences. Someone who grew up on a farm with horses may have a greater appreciation for that aspect of gameplay, while others are just dreamers who like the idea of going on epic quests. Some just like to play for the sake of passing the time; these things will all affect someone's opinion, so lets just leave it at that- We all have our opinions and are free to discuss them (discussing games is part of the fun anyway).

Twilight Princess' story is both good and bad. *everything below shall contain spoilers*

Compared to Majora's Mask, Oracle of Ages/Seasons, and Link's Awakening, the story is horrible. All of those titles I just listed had great character development or just good characters in general, had a good ending that made sense and tied in with everything else that happened throughout the game, and were original compared to the other Zeldas. Twilight Princess has only one character that has character development (Midna), the ending feels as though Ganon was put in there last minute, and was very, very Ocarina of Time/A Link to the Past-esque.

At the same time, it had a good story because while the ending was bad, everything leading up to the moment was great. Ignoring the parts with Zelda, because she honestly didn't need to be there for the story to work, all the scenes did have that epic feel to it. And the last part with Midna was awesome. That part of the ending was well done. Everything else about the ending.... meh.

i guess thers mixed thoughts on the subject, but....the story took me to a place in gameing i havnt been yet,......i thought it was a compelling (want to know more) story. the twist at the end with midna being the twighlight princess...awsome!....(sorry if i spoiled it!)(crap) but any way the personel with zant and midna and gannon at the end , great...ya know i guess it could have been better, but when i beat that game(just last night!) i felt a sense of completion, though, there would be more completion if there was freiken voice acting!...i wouldnt write a book useing the same story line but.....it was good. dont listen to your freind , decide for your self thats the only way u can find out.reidwii1

Wait, you didn't know Midna was the TP until the end.  KOTOR had a twist.  TP had nothing.

i didnt like it, if you can go ahead and go half way through majoras mask right now you will like tp but if not i dont think so i thing its very boring i may never buy another loz gamesomegtalover

Eh? Are you saying Majora's Mask story = Twilight Princess' story? Because I don't think they are very similar at all. :?