Can we now agree that Sonics devs are beyond help?

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#1 Head_of_games
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I know that it's a little early for this thread, but after reading IGNs review of Black Knight I had to post it. Anyways, I believe that we can all now conclude that the people in charge of Sonic have passed the point of no return. I mean, 3.9?! What is wrong with those guys at Sega? Sonics triumphant return now seems to be all but possible unless his franchise is bought out and someone with some actual talent is put in charge. It doesn't have to be Nintendo, as i'm pretty sure every stinking person who knows anything about gaming could do better than the people making Sonic at the moment. Let us have a moment of silence for Sonic teams talent. Thank you.

Edit: It's so sad! :cry:

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#2 webbut
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I think thieir just bored with making Sonic games. Like after this many Fails they must know what people want. And the fact that the rush games dont suck proves that people at sega know how to make sonic games. All they would have to do is make Rush in 3-D graphics faster and sexier and they would have a game for consoles but they dont. I think they want something more for sonic that they dont no how to make. I hope they play Mirriors edge and wonder how Sonic would be in really fast 1st person 3-D.

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#3 DaLegendKilla92
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I hope you guys realize how difficult it would be to make a 3D Sonic game that runs like the 2D ones. Do you know how many virtual (I'm being serious) miles of track they would have to create to make the levels last as long? At the speed Sonic runs through those.......it would prove long and arduous. Instead of rating the game for what it is, IGN rated it for what it wasn't....Sonic 2. I'll start believing Matt Cassamassamasaamasammasammas when kid Icarus comes out.
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#4 Head_of_games
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[QUOTE="DaLegendKilla92"]I hope you guys realize how difficult it would be to make a 3D Sonic game that runs like the 2D ones. Do you know how many virtual (I'm being serious) miles of track they would have to create to make the levels last as long? At the speed Sonic runs through those.......it would prove long and arduous. Instead of rating the game for what it is, IGN rated it for what it wasn't....Sonic 2. I'll start believing Matt Cassamassamasaamasammasammas when kid Icarus comes out.

So you're fine with the constant boring waggle fights and other horrid gameplay choices? I'm going to make final judgment until more reviews come, but as it stands the game seems to really suck.
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#5 Sonick54
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they've been dead for a long while now. the dev rooms is just filled with zombies.

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#6 MecaShadow
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Wow, you guys are just realising that Sonic Team is beyond help?

Damn, you guys are slow. I've been saying that since Shadow the Hedgehog. Sonic Team and the Sonic series need to be killed off, or at least Sonic Team needs to be disbanded and Sonic given to a completely new developer.

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#7 Head_of_games
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they've been dead for a long while now. the dev rooms is just filled with zombies.

Sonick54
Lol. Actually though, I think there may have been a sliver of life left in them because they did make the day levels of Unleashed.
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#8 TheColbert
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See I just don't get what they are doing. I mean when they put out Shadow The Hedgehog and the latest Sonic And The Black Night do they honestly believe they have a good idea? I mean Guns and Swords? Do they think the game is good or are they just putting it out there because it will sell lots of copies no matter what.
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#9 was49
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[QUOTE="Sonick54"]

they've been dead for a long while now. the dev rooms is just filled with zombies.

Head_of_games

Lol. Actually though, I think there may have been a sliver of life left in them because they did make the day levels of Unleashed.

True, maybe one day sonic team willmake a game thats focused on stages like the daytime ones in sonic unleashed. (Hopefully...)

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#10 DS_fan_atic
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I didn't even like the original sonics that much...don't know what all of my friends were freaking out about. Oh well. Never mattered to me in the first place.

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#11 ag1052
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They still make some decent DS games
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#12 Sonick54
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[QUOTE="Sonick54"]

they've been dead for a long while now. the dev rooms is just filled with zombies.

Head_of_games
Lol. Actually though, I think there may have been a sliver of life left in them because they did make the day levels of Unleashed.

After black knight, i think the one's who weren't infected by the T-virus are already zombified.
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#13 Head_of_games
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[QUOTE="Head_of_games"][QUOTE="Sonick54"]

they've been dead for a long while now. the dev rooms is just filled with zombies.

Sonick54
Lol. Actually though, I think there may have been a sliver of life left in them because they did make the day levels of Unleashed.

After black knight, i think the one's who weren't infected by the T-virus are already zombified.

Lol, now that would make a good game. Storming Segas headquarters and taking out the giant zombie Sonic Team! I would so buy it.
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#14 Sonick54
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[QUOTE="Head_of_games"][QUOTE="Sonick54"][QUOTE="Head_of_games"] Lol. Actually though, I think there may have been a sliver of life left in them because they did make the day levels of Unleashed.

After black knight, i think the one's who weren't infected by the T-virus are already zombified.

Lol, now that would make a good game. Storming Segas headquarters and taking out the giant zombie Sonic Team! I would so buy it.

Dead Rising-The sega dev raid :lol:
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#15 Head_of_games
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[QUOTE="Head_of_games"][QUOTE="Sonick54"] After black knight, i think the one's who weren't infected by the T-virus are already zombified.Sonick54
Lol, now that would make a good game. Storming Segas headquarters and taking out the giant zombie Sonic Team! I would so buy it.

Dead Rising-The sega dev raid :lol:

:lol: :lol: :lol:

The final boss would be weresonic with a sword along with Amy. I would relish the opportunity to blow their heads off.

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#16 aruametello
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On the other side, the good old days of sonic where too focused on speed, what translates badly to 3D or has been somewhat overused during the series, the daytime days of sonic unleashed are somewhat "ok", but shows my point pretty well to.

if your sonic game is not about speed then is about what? that is what i think it makes hard for the dev´s who are working on the next project.

(even if they are zombies with no brain, all the guilt is not theirs)

but HEY.... make a god of war with sonic in it was a REAL bad idea imo. sounded as a joke to me until i actually played the joke.

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Mario games translated well to modern video games, but they are quite different now, lets say "exploration" is pretty vague, so you have a lot to play with the idea, when "running lightning fast" usually involve always running on a almost straight line.)

the only "very good" sort of game of run in 3D i can think is racing, and they already did that btw.

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#17 Sonick54
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[QUOTE="Sonick54"][QUOTE="Head_of_games"] Lol, now that would make a good game. Storming Segas headquarters and taking out the giant zombie Sonic Team! I would so buy it.Head_of_games

Dead Rising-The sega dev raid :lol:

:lol: :lol: :lol:

The final boss would be weresonic with a sword along with Amy. I would relish the opportunity to blow their heads off.

I'd shed one final tear and say "goodbye sweet prince" :(
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#18 klidron02
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Wow, you guys are just realising that Sonic Team is beyond help?

Damn, you guys are slow. I've been saying that since Shadow the Hedgehog. Sonic Team and the Sonic series need to be killed off, or at least Sonic Team needs to be disbanded and Sonic given to a completely new developer.

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I'm with giving Sonic to a new developer, because there already is one who knows what they're doing. They're called Dimps and they make great Sonic games. I seriously do not even trust Sonic Team anymore.
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#19 Sepewrath
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Thats not true, with Unleashed they seemed to be going to the right direction until some genious thought up the werehog and that went down the tubes. I'll put it this way if a return to 2D roots can work for fighters like SFIV and KOF XII there is no reason it can't work for Sonic.
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#20 Rocky32189
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I reached that conclusion over 5 years ago.
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#21 N-One
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They have 3 options to save Sonic,

1. Do Unleashed's Daytime Levels in a Game

2. Beg Yugi Naka to help with the next Sonic game

3. Hand over Sonic to Dimps

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#22 Chojuto
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I don't know what the hell you guys are talking about. Are you guys just purposely ignoring Sonic Rushed and Sonic and the Secret Rings?
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#23 black_ice23
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ok so i know making 2d into 3d cant be easy but its been over 10 years since the 3d games were being made, how hard can it been they should have 10 years practice, nintendo has been doing it for that long with Mario and Zelda, and various other titles, whats taking Sonic team so long, its only one franchise, they should stop making the game like Madden where they are released Yearly, but rather limit to maybe 1-3 Per generation, no actually one per generation and when they get that right they can focus on more, but stick to one good sonic and then focus on other side projects like nintendo like one Zelda or Mario but other franchises, IP, spin offs to fill the void instead of crapping on the key titles and watering down their legend status of said character
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#24 DragonQuestHero
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I'm still waiting for SOnic the Hedgehog 4.

With Tails and Knuckles as playble character thoguht the WHOLE game. I would not even care if it was 16-bit.

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#25 Pesantez
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I think thieir just bored with making Sonic games. Like after this many Fails they must know what people want. And the fact that the rush games dont suck proves that people at sega know how to make sonic games. All they would have to do is make Rush in 3-D graphics faster and sexier and they would have a game for consoles but they dont. I think they want something more for sonic that they dont no how to make. I hope they play Mirriors edge and wonder how Sonic would be in really fast 1st person 3-D.

webbut
Wow, that sounds like a great idea.
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#26 gamer6464
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There was ONE badly written review by ONE awful reviewer. Why does everyone assume this game sucks now.

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#27 black_ice23
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they just need to make a game based on the day time levels in unleashed and call it Sonic day time or light or some variation letting us know its the day time levels, and no gimics such as werewolf or swords or multiple minor characters or guns
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#28 Durhamster
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There was ONE badly written review by ONE awful reviewer. Why does everyone assume this game sucks now.

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One? You living under a rock or something?

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#29 Chojuto
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[QUOTE="gamer6464"]

There was ONE badly written review by ONE awful reviewer. Why does everyone assume this game sucks now.

Durhamster

One? You living under a rock or something?

He's talking about Sonic & the Black Knight I believe. And he's right. So far we've only had one review, which is by IGN, and even some of the Sonic haters can agree that review was poorly written (well, there's 2 reviews if you count Nintendo Power's, but most of the people here don't accept their scores anyways).
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#30 Sonick54
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[QUOTE="Durhamster"]

[QUOTE="gamer6464"]

There was ONE badly written review by ONE awful reviewer. Why does everyone assume this game sucks now.

Chojuto

One? You living under a rock or something?

He's talking about Sonic & the Black Knight I believe. And he's right. So far we've only had one review, which is by IGN, and even some of the Sonic haters can agree that review was poorly written (well, there's 2 reviews if you count Nintendo Power's, but most of the people here don't accept their scores anyways).

Wait, are you still hopeful this will get a decent review ? :? I gotta ask, what exactly will it actually take for people to stop hyping a sonic game? IGN is just the beginning. Look at my sig. You can clearly see i'm a sonic fan, but even i admit this game looks horrible.
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#31 stike22
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HAHA! thats cold, Sonic devs beyond hope. Basically what they need to do is stop being Dinks, stop making these random stories...I mean Sonic and the Dark Knight? yeh it may look good but its not Sonic...I really don't know where they are going. All they have to do is make Sonic Adventure 3...similar to Sonic adventure 1 with most of the characters they have now, if not then remake Sonic 3 and Knuckles in 3D and start the series again from there, simple...so long as they keep making up stories Sonic's gonna keep running downhill.
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#32 FFCYAN
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None of the 2-D Sonic developers make Sonic games anymore. Sega only makes Sonic games because his name still generates money.

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#33 so_hai
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I agree. With the orig. post (but not so sarcastically!). Making relevant Sonic games is like trying to make a relevant Aero the Acrobat or Bubsy game in today's very, very different gaming world. At least Bubsy's first foray in 3D was his last. Sonic just won't DIE.
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#34 dan543
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For all the people that think the game might actually be good in spite of IGN's review... just look at the freaking game, come on, Sonic with a Sword?? Instant failure. Sonic Team has been dead ever since they tried to take Sonic to the 3D realm, they just couldn't adapt the series to that enviroment. Crappy game after crappy game, they have tried to redeem the blue hedgehog failing and falling down in flames with every attempt. I find it hard for someone to save Sonic.

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#35 r_gam3
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they can bring back sonic, call in miyamoto
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#36 King-gamer
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Sonic Team failed when the Saturn came out. Also, the developers are adding stupid and unnecessary stuff like werehogs and swords just to ruin the game. They obviously never heard of the saying "if it's not broken, don't fix it"
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#37 AmnesiaHaze
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if i worked for sega id create a 2-D sonic jump&run plattformer with tons of levels & nice graphics (kind of like ShakeIT Wario)

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#38 Pices
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Actually, I think they miscalculated. If you accurately calculate, the score will be 6.1
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#39 Nintenkid49
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yea, sonic is official dead. R.I.P noble hedgehog..........:(

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#40 ag1052
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Actually, I think they miscalculated. If you accurately calculate, the score will be 6.1Pices
Look at the review again... it says 3.9/10 NOT AN AVERAGE
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#41 Nomad0404
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I love it 1 review and the world goes mad - quite frankly I'll wait for a decent Metacritic Average now and see what I think about the game then.

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#42 Head_of_games
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I love it 1 review and the world goes mad - quite frankly I'll wait for a decent Metacritic Average now and see what I think about the game then.

Phil

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Still, it's not like IGN to be way off from what most reviews say. They would have to be a full four points off for the game to be considerable for purchase. I highly doubt that they are that wrong.
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#43 Nomad0404
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Famitsu gave it the equivilent of 6.5 which while not super is a reasonably good score and a whole lot better than 3.9 eh?

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#44 livinitup01
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Wow, you guys are just realising that Sonic Team is beyond help?

Damn, you guys are slow. I've been saying that since Shadow the Hedgehog. Sonic Team and the Sonic series need to be killed off, or at least Sonic Team needs to be disbanded and Sonic given to a completely new developer.

MecaShadow

Yeah, I thought they'd eventually get it right after Shadow the Hedgehog. I think the last good game was Sonic Adventure 2 on Dreamcast. Sonic Heroes was meh for me. I'd much more prefer a Sonic Adventure game or at least a game like Sonic Rush for DS. I didn't pay any attention to Rush until today and it's actually a better game than I ever thought. Where are Sonic's original creators? They need to make the next one, not new teams. Stop with the gimmicks and spinoffs and go back to the roots. Use legacy technology and do with Sonic what Capcom did with MegaMan 9: Whole new game, old look, Super Sonic transformation, amazing levels and 16-bit sprites. Sonic needs rebirth so call it Sonic Rebirth and put it on WiiWare, PSN and XBox Arcade. We'll be glad when you guys get it right.

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#45 pppjjj
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Sonic Team is a bunch of pansies:D:cry:

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#46 livinitup01
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I'm sure what IGN wants is just a great Sonic game instead of a buggy, low-framerate, gimmicky excuse for a Sonic game. Maybe Sonic is just going to be oversimplified for all time and just for the kiddies. It'd be a shame.
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#47 Kirbythecat
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R.I.P

Sonic Teams Talent

It will be missed by fans everywhere.

P.S: Can someone photshop that onto a tombstone?

Head_of_games

Yes,

http://img31.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=87707_Sonic_Team68s_Grave_122_850lo.jpg

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#48 MaceKhan
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What if they put Sonic in an open sandbox world?

Thoughts?

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#49 Head_of_games
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[QUOTE="Head_of_games"]

R.I.P

Sonic Teams Talent

It will be missed by fans everywhere.

P.S: Can someone photshop that onto a tombstone?

Kirbythecat

Yes,

http://img31.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=87707_Sonic_Team68s_Grave_122_850lo.jpg

Sonic Team's Grave

Thanks! But the pic shows a question mark. Here, I'll link it.

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#50 Mike885
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The only way they can be saved now is if they make Sonic Adventure 3. Same gameplay as the 2 before but better graphics and an even more epic story.