Anyone else disappointed in the WII and/or its focus on casual gamers?:(

im a hardcore gamer and i feel i was left out to dry on this one. There seems to be nothing more to look forward to on the WII and I notice a lot of people are losing intrest and selling them. Anyone else feel this way?vickersfan

[QUOTE="vickersfan"]im a hardcore gamer and i feel i was left out to dry on this one. There seems to be nothing more to look forward to on the WII and I notice a lot of people are losing intrest and selling them. Anyone else feel this way?dotWithShoes

The problem is that the Wii does have some games to look forward 2, but there all most likely going to get a 7.5. A hardcore gamer demands 8.5 or above tittles and this is where the 360 comes in delivering hit after hit.

[QUOTE="vickersfan"]im a hardcore gamer and i feel i was left out to dry on this one. There seems to be nothing more to look forward to on the WII and I notice a lot of people are losing intrest and selling them. Anyone else feel this way?dotWithShoes

[QUOTE="dotWithShoes"][QUOTE="vickersfan"]im a hardcore gamer and i feel i was left out to dry on this one. There seems to be nothing more to look forward to on the WII and I notice a lot of people are losing intrest and selling them. Anyone else feel this way?vickersfan

What did you play that you thought was mediocre?

[QUOTE="vickersfan"][QUOTE="dotWithShoes"] Are you a hardcore gamer or are you just thinking you are? If you feel theres nothing more to look forward to on the Wii, then sir, you are not looking at all. I see more to look forward to on the Wii, than I do the 360. If you think being a hardcore gamer means merely playing nothing but M rated games, I feel sorry for you. Would you call a person who plays Bingo EVERY night for at least 2-3 hours a night a hardcore gamer? Thats hardcore m8, hardcore :) So, no, I do not feel the same as you do. I believe your opinion is one sided, ignorant, and wrong. That being said, I respect your opinion and that it is yours, but my opinion is what I just stated.goblaa

What did you play that you thought was mediocre?

the thing im not liking about the Wii is its just releasing party/multiplayer oriented games, and IMO bad ones.  why they cant replicate (beyond the actual series) or build off of the success of SSB, mario kart, and old school mario party like games is beyond me.  my faith in nintendo is rapidly dwindling, o how i miss the days of N64.  i dont know why, but i look at upcoming Wii games and either think 'meh' or 'i could just get that on my 360'.

and yes, i own a Wii.  i have SSBB, MK, Metroid Prime 3, and No More Hero's, all of which ive enjoyed.  but i look at my stack of 360 games (around 8-14) and have enjoyed almost all of them.

PS: for the love of god bring Rare back! 

the thing im not liking about the Wii is its just releasing party/multiplayer oriented games, and IMO bad ones.  why they cant replicate (beyond the actual series) or build off of the success of SSB, mario kart, and old school mario party like games is beyond me.  my faith in nintendo is rapidly dwindling, o how i miss the days of N64.  i dont know why, but i look at upcoming Wii games and either think 'meh' or 'i could just get that on my 360'.

and yes, i own a Wii.  i have SSBB, MK, Metroid Prime 3, and No More Hero's, all of which ive enjoyed.  but i look at my stack of 360 games (around 8-14) and have enjoyed almost all of them.

 

PS: for the love of god bring Rare back! 

Argle

No.....They got some good games, you just got to stop being so picky. One game for instance that people are sleeping on is James Bond Quantum of Solace. that game kicks butt on the wii and it sucks on the other consoles. I personally think the wii is a good FPS system and they just need to spend more time on that. I can't wait for the Conduit to come out because it is either gonna make the wii or break it and that game is going to be the turning point for them towards making more "hardcore" games.funk4lfe

The focus on casual gamers has taken its toll, but you have to understand that Nintendo have things planned for the hardcore crowd. Being a hardcore gamer, I know it can be a bit dissapointing to not see a great game since Brawl imo, I haven't seen anythin worth buyin since.

Regardless of this, I have not givin up on the Wii, its still a great system and I'm already lookin foward to 2009 because I see at least two great titles that I'm keeping a look out for.

No. I like casual games like Wii Sports, Wii Fit and good party games like Boom Blox. The only games I can't stand are SHOVELWARE games like We Cheer, BratZ KidZ, or PetZ HorseZ 2!

The Wii has plently of hardcore titles.. the only problem are the rip-off shallow titles that clueless parents buy for their kids!

I think "realistic expectations" should be the phrase of the day in this case. i bought the wii at launch, fully knowing where nintendo was headed. some of the most played titles on my cube were the party games, and multiplayers. so obviously, the wii was going to follow suit with that assortment. even the early videos showed tons of GROUPS playing together.

this notion of "hardcore" simply leaves me imagining someone playing for hours by themselves in their basement, and i'm not sure that's the type of gamer i want to be associated with. I consider myself to be hardcore, as do my friends, due to my skill level, and love of competition. but i don't play many of the "harcore" games the people on here list.

i think expecting the kind of games found on the 360 and ps3 is naive. this is simply not the direction nintendo has had with their product line from the get-go... you HAD to know upon purchase, that this system was not going to offer the same experience as the other two, and yet we hear tons of complaints from people demanding it! everyone needs to take a long hard look at what they're really complaining about (and why), and who they are complaining TO. i'm going to complain with my cheque book next week when i pick up my ps3, instead of another wii title, because it offers the experience i want when i'm by myself. i'd say that's the best way to get change. if they aren't making money with their current plan, they'll change. but i'm not going to hold my breath til they do.

I think "realistic expectations" should be the phrase of the day in this case. i bought the wii at launch, fully knowing where nintendo was headed. some of the most played titles on my cube were the party games, and multiplayers. so obviously, the wii was going to follow suit with that assortment. even the early videos showed tons of GROUPS playing together.

dkcamp

Well, most games on my GCN were action/adventure/RPG titles that were incredible...I can't say the same for Wii, for me anyhow. But i guess it also doesn't help that majority of the games that i was excited for on Wii ended up disappointments to me. The matter of fact, in my case, is Nintendo delivered incredible first party titles for GCN...for Wii, its been more misses than hits.

im a hardcore gamer and i feel i was left out to dry on this one. There seems to be nothing more to look forward to on the WII and I notice a lot of people are losing intrest and selling them. Anyone else feel this way?vickersfan

Sure, there are times when I feel that Nintendo could have done better in terms of some hardware just so we wouldn't be getting so much shovelware. But, when developers utilize the Wii how they should (i.e. 1st Party games), the results can be amazing.

Hardcore is associated too much with gore, violence, and high-definition graphics. I have to disagree with that opinion, but I respect anyone who does feel that way since it is their opinion.

Meh, I wouldn't worry too much. It seems like there's some Wii games to get excited for in the future such as Pikmin3 for example, so I'm gonna keep my Wii and I can play good games such as Super Mario Galaxy again anyway:D.LK9988

That is very true and there are bound to be many other games to look forward to on the Wii. And people ten to forget that every console gets shovelware.

[QUOTE="dotWithShoes"][QUOTE="vickersfan"]im a hardcore gamer and i feel i was left out to dry on this one. There seems to be nothing more to look forward to on the WII and I notice a lot of people are losing intrest and selling them. Anyone else feel this way?zaku101

The problem is that the Wii does have some games to look forward 2, but there all most likely going to get a 7.5. A hardcore gamer demands 8.5 or above tittles and this is where the 360 comes in delivering hit after hit.

[QUOTE="LK9988"]Meh, I wouldn't worry too much. It seems like there's some Wii games to get excited for in the future such as Pikmin3 for example, so I'm gonna keep my Wii and I can play good games such as Super Mario Galaxy again anyway:D.Wolblade

That is very true and there are bound to be many other games to look forward to on the Wii. And people ten to forget that every console gets shovelware.

[QUOTE="zaku101"]

[QUOTE="dotWithShoes"] Are you a hardcore gamer or are you just thinking you are? If you feel theres nothing more to look forward to on the Wii, then sir, you are not looking at all. I see more to look forward to on the Wii, than I do the 360. If you think being a hardcore gamer means merely playing nothing but M rated games, I feel sorry for you. Would you call a person who plays Bingo EVERY night for at least 2-3 hours a night a hardcore gamer? Thats hardcore m8, hardcore :) So, no, I do not feel the same as you do. I believe your opinion is one sided, ignorant, and wrong. That being said, I respect your opinion and that it is yours, but my opinion is what I just stated.dotWithShoes

The problem is that the Wii does have some games to look forward 2, but there all most likely going to get a 7.5. A hardcore gamer demands 8.5 or above tittles and this is where the 360 comes in delivering hit after hit.

Wii Fit was a pleasant surprise for the hardcore audience this year.

Williams Pinball as well, best pinball game on a console ever.

i think thats a little harsh, i base my game buying somewhat on the numbers, to a degree, as im sure most everyone does.  obviously, if a game gets a 6.5 or lower, theres usually something REALLY wrong with it, and yes, based solely on the review number, i ignore those games (generally speaking).  that being said, my number spectrum in regards to possibly buying games is pretty much 7.0+, and i own a few 7.5 or under 360 games that i really enjoy.   

keeping this in mind, ill explain now why i find the Wii to be so dissapointing-

 this is what typically happens: im thinking of buying 2 games, there are 4 im interested in, 2 on the 360 and 2 on the Wii.  i look breifly at the review scores, 360 gets an 8.5 and an 8.0, then i look at the Wii games, which get an 8.0 and a 7.0.  the 8.5 is a no brainer, so i read the reviews of the two respective 8.0 games, only to find myself more interested in the 360 game.  not to say i consider the Wii a horrible system, it isnt, i just often feel like my money is better spent on the 360, which is dissapointing, espcially so because in a lot of ways i think the Wii has a lot more potential than the 360.  as a gamer, id like to be buying equally good games for both systems, unfortunately that isnt happening.

Wii Fit was a pleasant surprise for the hardcore audience this yearJaysonguy

 this is what typically happens: im thinking of buying 2 games, there are 4 im interested in, 2 on the 360 and 2 on the Wii.  i look breifly at the review scores, 360 gets an 8.5 and an 8.0, then i look at the Wii games, which get an 8.0 and a 7.0.  the 8.5 is a no brainer, so i read the reviews of the two respective 8.0 games, only to find myself more interested in the 360 game.  not to say i consider the Wii a horrible system, it isnt, i just often feel like my money is better spent on the 360, which is dissapointing, espcially so because in a lot of ways i think the Wii has a lot more potential than the 360.  as a gamer, id like to be buying equally good games for both systems, unfortunately that isnt happening.

Argle

Wow, so you let someone else pick all your games

That sure is interesting in a weird way

So none of your collection is what you want? Just what scores you see?

Man, that's out of this world. 

It takes all kinds!

Shucks, just when I thought I'd seen it all.....

nintendo doesn't make hardcore games anymore?

I don't know why everyone blames Nintendo for crappy 3rd party developers.  You don't blame Apple when they have crappy albums for sale on iTunes.  The music industry is overrun with garbage and crap, yet it doesn't mean the ipod sucks becoz the music sucks. If you can't find the good games on Wii, it says more about YOU than it says about Nintendo.  And even if Wii has lots of minigames and casual games, what's the big deal?  It doesn't hurt anyone.  Don't play it.  Don't buy it.  Problem solved.  Don't be elitist and think that every game has to revolve around what YOU play and what YOU like.  There's a large market for people who wan't to Wii-bowl and who don't want to sit in front of a tv for 6 hours a day blowing up people's heads.  To me, Nintendo hasn't switched focus, they've just expanded it to include other people into the same gaming pool.  And if this changes the PERCENTAGES of the hardcore-to-casual ratio, so be it.  It doesn't mean there are any fewer good games available.  If you want of list of quality games, just ask.  I can list plenty on the Wii that could occupy the most avid gamers time. 

im a hardcore gamer and i feel i was left out to dry on this one. There seems to be nothing more to look forward to on the WII and I notice a lot of people are losing intrest and selling them. Anyone else feel this way?vickersfan

Yes, I am disappointedwith it. I hope the games get better soon.

[QUOTE="Argle"]

this is what typically happens: im thinking of buying 2 games, there are 4 im interested in, 2 on the 360 and 2 on the Wii. i look breifly at the review scores, 360 gets an 8.5 and an 8.0, then i look at the Wii games, which get an 8.0 and a 7.0. the 8.5 is a no brainer, so i read the reviews of the two respective 8.0 games, only to find myself more interested in the 360 game. not to say i consider the Wii a horrible system, it isnt, i just often feel like my money is better spent on the 360, which is dissapointing, espcially so because in a lot of ways i think the Wii has a lot more potential than the 360. as a gamer, id like to be buying equally good games for both systems, unfortunately that isnt happening.

Jaysonguy

Wow, so you let someone else pick all your games

That sure is interesting in a weird way

So none of your collection is what you want? Just what scores you see?

Man, that's out of this world.

It takes all kinds!

Shucks, just when I thought I'd seen it all.....

reading comprehension please, i stated earlier they were all games i was interested in, which would imply i had an idea about what each was gonna be like (gameplay, story, genre, etc).  the reviews and scores provide a basis as to the overall quality of the game, which i already had some idea bout.  i dont just blindly pick out 8.5 rated games, not to mention the difference (GENERALLY SPEAKING) between an 8.5 game and a 7.0 is usually pretty large.

as a side note, some people seem to be mixing up review numbers and the actual review, they are not seperate, they go hand in hand. i look at both, as they both tend to provide a basis for overall quality and hence give me a good idea as to what to shell out $60 for.  

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"][QUOTE="Argle"]

this is what typically happens: im thinking of buying 2 games, there are 4 im interested in, 2 on the 360 and 2 on the Wii. i look breifly at the review scores, 360 gets an 8.5 and an 8.0, then i look at the Wii games, which get an 8.0 and a 7.0. the 8.5 is a no brainer, so i read the reviews of the two respective 8.0 games, only to find myself more interested in the 360 game. not to say i consider the Wii a horrible system, it isnt, i just often feel like my money is better spent on the 360, which is dissapointing, espcially so because in a lot of ways i think the Wii has a lot more potential than the 360. as a gamer, id like to be buying equally good games for both systems, unfortunately that isnt happening.

Argle

Wow, so you let someone else pick all your games

That sure is interesting in a weird way

So none of your collection is what you want? Just what scores you see?

Man, that's out of this world.

It takes all kinds!

Shucks, just when I thought I'd seen it all.....

reading comprehension please, i stated earlier they were all games i was interested in, which would imply i had an idea about what each was gonna be like (gameplay, story, genre, etc).  the reviews and scores provide a basis as to the overall quality of the game, which i already had some idea bout.  i dont just blindly pick out 8.5 rated games, not to mention the difference (GENERALLY SPEAKING) between an 8.5 game and a 7.0 is usually pretty large.

as a side note, some people seem to be mixing up review numbers and the actual review, they are not seperate, they go hand in hand. i look at both, as they both tend to provide a basis for overall quality and hence give me a good idea as to what to shell out $60 for.  

Yes, so you let others pick your games. You've made it quite clear.

That's wild, it's like when you want to play something you have to be like "I wonder what someone is going to pick for me today"

That's quite an interesting way to approach gaming. Sure you're never able to pick out your own games but on the other hand you're never sure of what you're getting.

[QUOTE="Argle"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

 

Wow, so you let someone else pick all your games

That sure is interesting in a weird way

So none of your collection is what you want? Just what scores you see?

Man, that's out of this world.

It takes all kinds!

Shucks, just when I thought I'd seen it all.....

Jaysonguy

reading comprehension please, i stated earlier they were all games i was interested in, which would imply i had an idea about what each was gonna be like (gameplay, story, genre, etc). the reviews and scores provide a basis as to the overall quality of the game, which i already had some idea bout. i dont just blindly pick out 8.5 rated games, not to mention the difference (GENERALLY SPEAKING) between an 8.5 game and a 7.0 is usually pretty large.

as a side note, some people seem to be mixing up review numbers and the actual review, they are not seperate, they go hand in hand. i look at both, as they both tend to provide a basis for overall quality and hence give me a good idea as to what to shell out $60 for.

Yes, so you let others pick your games. You've made it quite clear.

That's wild, it's like when you want to play something you have to be like "I wonder what someone is going to pick for me today"

That's quite an interesting way to approach gaming. Sure you're never able to pick out your own games but on the other hand you're never sure of what you're getting.

god your dense. games are expensive, so im going to buy them based on what others (reviews) say about them, and not just 'this games good, buy it'. why is it good? the review usually tells you, and if the premise of the game (genre, story, etc) sounds good ill buy it. you must have a lot of money to just go around blindly buying games because they 'look' good.

yeah.

it's going to stay that way forever. Even when reggie comes out and says some BS, he lied plenty of times. nintendo always undelivers on their promises, SMG was the only one they really delivered on.

by the time the next cycle of great games comes out it will be 2010 and they will just postpone them until WiiHD comes out in 2011 or 2012 just like they delayed TP two years to release it on the wii so that it would sell more wiis. Releasing TP for the Cube only wouldn't give nintendo anything to sell their wiis with. Well you could always get Farcry Vengeance on launch..

nintendo needs  a system seller so that next mario game or zelda game, might very well come out on their next console even though they promise it within 2 years. 

yeah.

 

it's going to stay that way forever. Even when reggie comes out and says some BS, he lied plenty of times. nintendo always undelivers on their promises, SMG was the only one they really delivered on.

 

by the time the next cycle of great games comes out it will be 2010 and they will just postpone them until WiiHD comes out in 2011 or 2012 just like they delayed TP two years to release it on the wii so that it would sell more wiis. Releasing TP for the Cube only wouldn't give nintendo anything to sell their wiis with. Well you could always get Farcry Vengeance on launch..

 

nintendo needs  a system seller so that next mario game or zelda game, might very well come out on their next console even though they promise it within 2 years. 

CasioTeck

nintendo needs  a system seller so that next mario game or zelda game, might very well come out on their next console even though they promise it within 2 years. 

CasioTeck

What planet are we talking about?

On Earth Nintendo is the king of gaming and something just needs it's brand name on it to sell amazingly well.

Not too sure where you came up with "need a system seller". On Venus? Will they need a strong sales push on Venus?

wow.. just wow delusional fanboyism at it's finest. btw, ssbm>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ssbb. Am I am right, nintendo had no idea the wii would sell, so they postponed TP for the Cube to port it to the wii so they have a system seller at launch. This has been discussed numerous times. CasioTeck

Yes, you're right

And now their brand is in more homes then anything else.

Know what that means?

It means that when their next system comes out all Nintendo will have to do is say "we made this one too" and people will come in droves to buy it just like they did the Wii.

"system seller", yeah not so much and when I say not so much I mean not at all

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