Wii U could take off with Cross-compatibility with Pokemon X and Y.

Considering that the new Pokemon game looks like garbage on the 3DS I don't know how good of an idea it is to tie anything to it.

I would love a great Pokemon game for WiiU, but don't care for interconnectivity with 3DS if the visuals have to be dumbed down to 3DS level. WiiU needs to show off something to wow people, atm it hasn't really done that.:P

someone in system wars had an idea of using figures like the skylanders franchise... the wiiU gamepad would be perfect for something like that... a pokemon spinoff game..

someone in system wars had an idea of using figures like the skylanders franchise... the wiiU gamepad would be perfect for something like that... a pokemon spinoff game..

KBFloYd

Can the gamepad "read" stuff like that..?

Can the gamepad "read" stuff like that..?

WreckEm711

Apparently that's what the little rectangle below the D-pad is for.

EDIT: It's called a NFC (near field communication) reader.

[QUOTE="WreckEm711"]

Can the gamepad "read" stuff like that..?

ANIMEguy10034

Apparently that's what the little rectangle below the D-pad is for.

Cool! Nintendo has to have some kind of plan for that if they integrated it into the controller.. hmm..

Sorry, but the longer Nintendo waits before putting out a real Pokemon for Wii U the more I think they are idiots. I have a Wii U and enjoy me some Pokemon, but this is ridiculous. There is like a thousand pokemon handheld games and yet not one single REAL pokemon game for consoles? How is this even possible!?! Who in their right mind looks at a multimillion dollar series and says "no, we don't want that on our consoles".

The Wii U is the perfect place to have a real Pokemon game. The Wii U controller is a natural pokedex. And yet they announce two more handheld pokemon games that look terrible.

Considering that the new Pokemon game looks like garbage on the 3DS I don't know how good of an idea it is to tie anything to it.Jaysonguy

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]Considering that the new Pokemon game looks like garbage on the 3DS I don't know how good of an idea it is to tie anything to it.Shinobishyguy

1. You spelled it wrong, if you're going to use that face make sure your post is correct.

2. That's the main change, I would think you would have researched that before you posted (then again I would think you use a spell checker too but we see how that went)

someone in system wars had an idea of using figures like the skylanders franchise... the wiiU gamepad would be perfect for something like that... a pokemon spinoff game..

KBFloYd

Wait, what?

How would the gamepad be perfect for that if..

1. It can't read anything like that

2. If it could you wouldn't be able to play the game since it would have to be down somewhere

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]Considering that the new Pokemon game looks like garbage on the 3DS I don't know how good of an idea it is to tie anything to it.Jaysonguy

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"][QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]because grafics are the only qualifier of a game being good right? :roll:Shinobishyguy

Pokemon = Pocket Monsters It's not hard to understand at all.

The series was built around concepts that worked best with portable gaming. Granted, the technical evolutions that have come over the years with portable systems have in ways closed some of the gaps that would have hurt the series' transition to ever being a viable console game, but the core philosophy behind the series hasn't changed and also continues to be built around the advantages of portable systems.

Could a Pokemon game help the Wii U? More than likely. However, even though the GamePad has limited means of being portable, it's far from being able to re-create the Pokemon experience that has defined the series. Anything less than that would be a waste of time and resources, so it's best that the series just continue to try to make progress on the portable systems for now.

As for Jaysonguy's points about X and Y's visual, I kind of agree with him. I won't go as far as the graphics "garbage," but what I saw didn't exactly make me feel like it was the best direction and actually made me want to see the 2D sprites at times.

Pokemon = Pocket Monsters It's not hard to understand at all.

The series was built around concepts that worked best with portable gaming. Granted, the technical evolutions that have come over the years with portable systems have in ways closed some of the gaps that would have hurt the series' transition to ever being a viable console game, but the core philosophy behind the series hasn't changed and also continues to be built around the advantages of portable systems.

Could a Pokemon game help the Wii U? More than likely. However, even though the GamePad has limited means of being portable, it's far from being able to re-create the Pokemon experience that has defined the series. Anything less than that would be a waste of time and resources, so it's best that the series just continue to try to make progress on the portable systems for now.

As for Jaysonguy's points about X and Y's visual, I kind of agree with him. I won't go as far as the graphics "garbage," but what I saw didn't exactly make me feel like it was the best direction and actually made me want to see the 2D sprites at times.

Madmangamer364

I disagree completely. Yes, the series may have started around concepts that worked best with portable gaming, but now with online gaming being pretty much standard, friends lists/codes, and of course the Wii U pad, there is absolutely no reason they can't put a Pokemon game on consoles. Portability has nothing to do with the concept and nothing to do with the design of the game other than maybe the need to trade certain characters to get evolutions. The only other aspect is the way they alway sput out two versions with different rares. Again, something that could easily be done on consoles with online.

I would further add that my very first exposure to Pokemon was actually via an emulator on PC and I actually really enjoyed the game despite being unable to "collect them all". Frankly, the whole idea of "collect them all' in my opinion is the worst aspect of the series since it is a huge pain and there are only a handful of pokemon that are useful in battle anyway. My feelings continued when I did buy a handheld version for Gameboy Advance (Ruby) where I loved the game but couldn't be bothered at all to collect them all.

[QUOTE="KBFloYd"]

someone in system wars had an idea of using figures like the skylanders franchise... the wiiU gamepad would be perfect for something like that... a pokemon spinoff game..

Jaysonguy

Wait, what?

How would the gamepad be perfect for that if..

1. It can't read anything like that

2. If it could you wouldn't be able to play the game since it would have to be down somewhere

ubisoft got it working with rayman legends but then decided not to use it.

source

I disagree completely. Yes, the series may have started around concepts that worked best with portable gaming, but now with online gaming being pretty much standard, friends lists/codes, and of course the Wii U pad, there is absolutely no reason they can't put a Pokemon game on consoles. Portability has nothing to do with the concept and nothing to do with the design of the game other than maybe the need to trade certain characters to get evolutions. The only other aspect is the way they alway sput out two versions with different rares. Again, something that could easily be done on consoles with online.

I would further add that my very first exposure to Pokemon was actually via an emulator on PC and I actually really enjoyed the game despite being unable to "collect them all". Frankly, the whole idea of "collect them all' in my opinion is the worst aspect of the series since it is a huge pain and there are only a handful of pokemon that are useful in battle anyway. My feelings continued when I did buy a handheld version for Gameboy Advance (Ruby) where I loved the game but couldn't be bothered at all to collect them all.

ZIMdoom

Figures that someone would bring up online gaming as the counterpoint. All too predictable, really, which is why I mentioned the whole technical evolution of portables in my last comment. As someone that has played the series from the very first games, including using the online features of the DS games, I know that the series' progression over the years is not as cut-and-dry as the inclusion of online featues. Online gaming simply can't reproduce the social appeal of the series. It's a bonus for when you're unable to meet up with people in real life, but trading and battling online isn't the same, not to mention all of the other features and minigames that have been created over the years that have been made over the years to enhance the local multiplayer experience beyond trading and battling.

There's also the advantage of accessibility and simplicity that portables have always had over consoles that enables the series to flourish. Even when you had to have a link cable to engage in multiplayer sessions, it was still easier and more enjoyable to engage with friends and family than anything you could think of with a console, including at times, online gaming. Even if you don't care for the "Catch 'em all" part of the series and believe that only "a handful of Pokemon" are useful in battle (which is a statement that is subject for debate, I might add), that's not all what Pokemon is about. The series has always encouraged players to take the game with them and meet up with people, much like having trading cards, while eliminating as many hurdles as possible to the 'pick up and play' nature of gaming that wouldn't be as avoidable with the increasingly complex design of consoles.

There's little doubt that Pokemon would still be enjoyable on a console, but it certainly wouldn't have the same social potential, nor would it be able to replicate all of the more subtle charms that has made the series so appealing to so many people. I think GameFreak knows this, which is why Nintendo's portables have always been the home for the main installments. It's just a more effective way to reach out to a broader group of people and have them engage with one another in a meaningful way. Visuals aside, there's absolutely nothing the Wii U can bring to the table that would actually make Pokemon better at this point.

Figures that someone would bring up online gaming as the counterpoint. All too predictable, really, which is why I mentioned the whole technical evolution of portables in my last comment. As someone that has played the series from the very first games, including using the online features of the DS games, I know that the series' progression over the years is not as cut-and-dry as the inclusion of online featues. Online gaming simply can't reproduce the social appeal of the series. It's a bonus for when you're unable to meet up with people in real life, but trading and battling online isn't the same, not to mention all of the other features and minigames that have been created over the years that have been made over the years to enhance the local multiplayer experience beyond trading and battling.

There's also the advantage of accessibility and simplicity that portables have always had over consoles that enables the series to flourish. Even when you had to have a link cable to engage in multiplayer sessions, it was still easier and more enjoyable to engage with friends and family than anything you could think of with a console, including at times, online gaming. Even if you don't care for the "Catch 'em all" part of the series and believe that only "a handful of Pokemon" are useful in battle (which is a statement that is subject for debate, I might add), that's not all what Pokemon is about. The series has always encouraged players to take the game with them and meet up with people, much like having trading cards, while eliminating as many hurdles as possible to the 'pick up and play' nature of gaming that wouldn't be as avoidable with the increasingly complex design of consoles.

There's little doubt that Pokemon would still be enjoyable on a console, but it certainly wouldn't have the same social potential, nor would it be able to replicate all of the more subtle charms that has made the series so appealing to so many people. I think GameFreak knows this, which is why Nintendo's portables have always been the home for the main installments. It's just a more effective way to reach out to a broader group of people and have them engage with one another in a meaningful way. Visuals aside, there's absolutely nothing the Wii U can bring to the table that would actually make Pokemon better at this point.

Madmangamer364

I still have to disagree. Making a REAL pokemon game for the Wii U is a license to print money. While I disagree that such a move would lose the "social aspect" I also have only played 2 of the titles and couldn't care less about the social aspect of it. So that's me.

I would also point out that while I absolutely believe the series would work just fine on the Wii U and be massively successful (certainly moreso than the spin-off crap they usually put out for consoles), I actually think that a "real" pokemon game could implement new tweaks/features that better take advantage of the Wii U and online features. I'm not saying it has to be identical and just a better graphics port. I'm saying take the collectible RPG concept, put it on Wii U with better graphics and animations. Use the Wii U pad as a drastically more detailed pokedex.

There is absolutely no reason, in my mind, that there couldn't be a real pokemon game for Wii U. There certainly isn't any reason they couldn't make a major innovation that would take advantage of the graphical and gamepad capabilities to bring the hugely popular Pokemon series into the future. And I blame nintendo because I think if Nintendo wanted it, it would have been done long ago.

I'm sure there's going to be a Pokemon Stadium game out. Chances are I wouldn't buy it anyway, but let's just hope it's better than PBR.

I'm sure there's going to be a Pokemon Stadium game out. Chances are I wouldn't buy it anyway, but let's just hope it's better than PBR.

nintendofreak_2

[QUOTE="nintendofreak_2"]

I'm sure there's going to be a Pokemon Stadium game out. Chances are I wouldn't buy it anyway, but let's just hope it's better than PBR.

ANIMEguy10034

If they included interesting battle modes and made them available online I think there would still be a place for such a game. And it could still look a lot better in Glorious HD. :P

If they included interesting battle modes and made them available online I think there would still be a place for such a game. And it could still look a lot better in Glorious HD. :PPixel-Perfect

*glares at the final version of PBR with disgust*

I still have to disagree. Making a REAL pokemon game for the Wii U is a license to print money. While I disagree that such a move would lose the "social aspect" I also have only played 2 of the titles and couldn't care less about the social aspect of it. So that's me.

I would also point out that while I absolutely believe the series would work just fine on the Wii U and be massively successful (certainly moreso than the spin-off crap they usually put out for consoles), I actually think that a "real" pokemon game could implement new tweaks/features that better take advantage of the Wii U and online features. I'm not saying it has to be identical and just a better graphics port. I'm saying take the collectible RPG concept, put it on Wii U with better graphics and animations. Use the Wii U pad as a drastically more detailed pokedex.

There is absolutely no reason, in my mind, that there couldn't be a real pokemon game for Wii U. There certainly isn't any reason they couldn't make a major innovation that would take advantage of the graphical and gamepad capabilities to bring the hugely popular Pokemon series into the future. And I blame nintendo because I think if Nintendo wanted it, it would have been done long ago.

ZIMdoom

The series can't do any better than what it has done on the portables, though. Not only would making Pokemon for the Wii U not improve its chances of expanding the audience, it would also be much more costly and strip the series of its portability appeal and all that comes with it. Not to mention that before the Wii U can even think about a main installment of a Pokemon game, it first has to prove itself as a system with significant mass appeal. If we were talking about the original Wii, your argument would be stronger, but as of right now, I'm not sure just how far the Wii U could carry the series. Before it can print money with Pokemon, the system has to first be able to print money at all. :P

If your 'pros' for a Wii U Pokemon are about visuals and 'possibilities' (frankly, I don't see anything the Wii U gamepad can do that the 3DS couldn't for Pokemon), it just doesn't measure up to the cons of a smaller user base, a more expensive game to develop and purchase, and the likelyhood of the social ability and accessibility that has helped to define the series taking a step backwards. Sure, Nintendo CAN do it, but as we speak, there's really no reason to.

I wonder whether cross-compatibility will be successful if there is a console Pokemon game connected with Pokemon X and Y. The main Pokemon games tend to be the most successful in the franchise while the handheld/console spin-offs are the least successful.

Wouldn't XY defeat the purpose of a stadium game? 3D battles and stuff...ANIMEguy10034

Pokemon with an Elder Scrolls sized world where I can actually see wild Pokemon. A world to truly explore. Am I really asking for too much?

Pokemon with an Elder Scrolls sized world where I can actually see wild Pokemon. A world to truly explore. Am I really asking for too much?

sonic_spark

Yes, you're asking for something that's not Pokemon

You either want this because....

1. You don't know what Pokemon is so you're confused on what happens in it

or

2. You want the series to fail by releasing a game on the console that kills it

Either way it's not good.

You might as well have added "I want every region in the game too" either not knowing that would break the game or wanting to break it.

Either way, bad.

[QUOTE="sonic_spark"]

Pokemon with an Elder Scrolls sized world where I can actually see wild Pokemon. A world to truly explore. Am I really asking for too much?

Jaysonguy

Yes, you're asking for something that's not Pokemon

You either want this because....

1. You don't know what Pokemon is so you're confused on what happens in it

or

2. You want the series to fail by releasing a game on the console that kills it

Either way it's not good.

You might as well have added "I want every region in the game too" either not knowing that would break the game or wanting to break it.

Either way, bad.

I'll bite.

I'm well aware of how Pokemon works, plays and is all about. I think the idea of this huge open world where future Pokemon masters could go explore is something the series would HAVE TO DO if it were to come to the home console. We've been down the road of Pokemon Stadium, and it wasn't great..to the say the least.

From a gameplay perspective I thought it would be great to actually see the Pokemon (ala Monster Hunter) then to have random battles where you see nothing, considering the fact that if it were to come to consoles, that would be something that would work - and, brace yourself, make sense.

As for the game coming to a home console. Why are you adminant that the game would not succeed on a home console? If it were done right it would work. Sure, Pokemon is rooted in all that is handheld. But, the simple fact is that a lot of fans have been clamoring for a Pokemon console iteration that brought the Pokemon world in glorious "3D" on a console. Integrate some 3DS/WiiU connectivity... and we got a hit on our hands.

Now, with Pokemon X/Y we're getting the first glimpse of what it would be like in 3D. However, I'm well aware of where you stand on that.

Just for kicks, if I had it my way I'd have the Kanto region. I was an avid Pokemon Blue/Red player and I prefer generation 1 to all other generations.

As for the game coming to a home console. Why are you adminant that the game would not succeed on a home console? If it were done right it would work. Sure, Pokemon is rooted in all that is handheld. But, the simple fact is that a lot of fans have been clamoring for a Pokemon console iteration that brought the Pokemon world in glorious "3D" on a console. Integrate some 3DS/WiiU connectivity... and we got a hit on our hands.

Now, with Pokemon X/Y we're getting the first glimpse of what it would be like in 3D. However, I'm well aware of where you stand on that.

Just for kicks, if I had it my way I'd have the Kanto region. I was an avid Pokemon Blue/Red player and I prefer generation 1 to all other generations.

sonic_spark

I just find it a little odd that people have seemed to forgotten about the two GCN Pokemon adventures, Colosseum and XD. Granted, even the main games have treated those two games like the stepchildren of the series, but they DID exist as 3D Pokemon games with connectivity, even if some core mechanics had questionable design. Just thought I'd throw that out there...

Also, Hoenn ftw! :P

[QUOTE="sonic_spark"]

As for the game coming to a home console. Why are you adminant that the game would not succeed on a home console? If it were done right it would work. Sure, Pokemon is rooted in all that is handheld. But, the simple fact is that a lot of fans have been clamoring for a Pokemon console iteration that brought the Pokemon world in glorious "3D" on a console. Integrate some 3DS/WiiU connectivity... and we got a hit on our hands.

Now, with Pokemon X/Y we're getting the first glimpse of what it would be like in 3D. However, I'm well aware of where you stand on that.

Just for kicks, if I had it my way I'd have the Kanto region. I was an avid Pokemon Blue/Red player and I prefer generation 1 to all other generations.

Madmangamer364

I just find it a little odd that people have seemed to forgotten about the two GCN Pokemon adventures, Colosseum and XD. Granted, even the main games have treated those two games like the stepchildren of the series, but they DID exist as 3D Pokemon games with connectivity, even if some core mechanics had questionable design. Just thought I'd throw that out there...

Also, Hoenn ftw! :P

So many miss opportunity with those 2 Pokemon games on GameCube. :(

superbuuman

Colosseum and XD weren't bad games, though. It's not hard to argue that the Snag mechanic simply didn't offer the same depth or freedom as the more traditional way of catching Pokemon, but it worked within the games' nature. The games' biggest downfalls were probably the fact that the world of Orre simply didn't open itself enough to players and that the game just didn't have the same experience once you cleared the story. While I'm sure those things could be improved on in a console Pokemon, I just don't know if they could ever get to the point as they've been with the recent Pokemon adventues on DS. Even if Gamefreak was to make a Unova-like world with a console Pokemon, the differences in nature between portable and console games would still bring about some challenges and even compromises along the way.

That's why you have to bring up the question of why Gamefreak should even bother using more time and resources to make a Wii U Pokemon adventure when it's still going to be lacking compared to what they can offer on the DS/3DS? That's no knock on the idea itself, but it's a very telling reality of what it is that's being asked for here.

WiiU needs Monster Rancher not Pokemon. Keep Pokemon on Handhelds (Except spinoffs).nini200

Pokemon Open World RPG / Pokemon Stadium 3 / Pokemon Snap 2

I would like to see any of these.

When has cross compatibility with a handheld ever been a successful feature for a Nintendo console? Let's let this gimmick die. meetroid8

Considering that the new Pokemon game looks like garbage on the 3DS I don't know how good of an idea it is to tie anything to it.

Jaysonguy

Why the F*** are you always so pessimistic and negative?? Seriously, I don't think I have ever seen anything positive come from your posts. Frick man lighten up for once its freaking depressing. >_>

It would certainly be interesting. I am doubtful of Nintendo's will to invest on console Pokemon games, though.

I am always under the impression that they feel the handheld games make such a ridiculous amount of money that producing a full-fledged Pokemon game for a home system would be more expensive and just take away some of the handheld sales.