The Sega Saturn is one of the best video game consoles ever

[QUOTE="Domino_slayer"]

Seriously, Astal is an absolutely horrible game, I have no idea why anyone brings it up, all it has going for it is the graphics, that's literally it, gameplay wise its so uninspired and slow it makes Yoshi's Story look like an action-packed extravanganza of intense exhilaration.

Also Bangai-O is not a port, the N64 game is the original version.

Lucianu

It's something common, from what i've seen over time, a lot of people love it, and on the flip side of the coin a lot of people hate it. It's a slower paced platformer with simplistic level design, but i throughly enjoyed playing it. It's no classic, but it's a good game.

Yeah, my mistake, i should have said 'version'.

Could have been worse, at least he didn't play Keio flying Squadron 2

I had heard people saying the game was awesome and it certainly would have explained the prices it commands on ebay.

after getting my hands on it... meh

I bought a Saturn in the early 2000s.....I don't get the love. Sure it's got some good games, but nothing really struck me. My most two played games were Decathlete and Fire Prowrestling: 6man Scramble. I will say that the Saturn's controller is, hands-down, the best controller ever constructed, given what it was designed to be.LongZhiZi

if you buy sh** games then yeah of course it's not going to appeal to you.

For me the Saturn was an overall better system with a better game library. At least it carried me through the generation, something that the Dreamcast just couldn't.

[QUOTE="LongZhiZi"]I bought a Saturn in the early 2000s.....I don't get the love. Sure it's got some good games, but nothing really struck me. My most two played games were Decathlete and Fire Prowrestling: 6man Scramble. I will say that the Saturn's controller is, hands-down, the best controller ever constructed, given what it was designed to be.bultje112

if you buy sh** games then yeah of course it's not going to appeal to you.

Saturn's a good machine, but its still my least favourite of the four main Sega systems, and my least favourite of the three major 5th gen systems.

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In regards to the Dreamcast surging in popularity, its worth noting that the games were basically discounted and dumped on mass late 2001. When the Gamecube came out I bought a Gamecube, and I recommended my friend buy a Dreamcast, as he never had any cash and I knew there were many highly rated games for the system already which were now cheap, within a few months he had like 10 times the number of games I did, because Dreamcast games ended up selling for some ridiculous £5 odd at the time, worse still the games were clearly better than what I had on Gamecube (except maybe SBM).

So really, you didn't have to pirate anything to amass a huge number of Dreamcast games, the games were everywhere and were dirt cheap, I think a lot of the popularity these days might simply be from kids who were bought them second hand on the cheap down flea markets and boot fairs.

Domino_slayer

Ah yes, I remember this time period as well, and have read some pretty remarkable things online about the Dreamcast scene in the early 2000s.

On a personal level, there was an EBX at a local mall when I was growing up who was trying to get rid of their Dreamcast selection in a hurry to make room for the GC and XBOX. They had deals like buy 1, get 2 free, and had games like Marvel vs. Capcom 2, Power Stone 2 and other pretty sought after DC games for like $10 each at that time. I ended up buying a lot of DC games during this time (many which I regretably sold over the years and have re-bought for a lot more money).

And then I've read stories online of people buying games like Project Justice, Cannon Spike, Skies or Arcadia and other very valuable DC games brand new from KMART and Walmark discount bins for $5. This was happening a lot from like late 2001 until as late as 2004. I evny anyone who took advantage of these deals and snagged any of the games mentioned above for that price brand new.

[QUOTE="Shenmue_Jehuty"]

It is definitely a top 10 system for me, and I would agree that it has one of the most horribly underrated libraries in gaming history, especially when you bring in all the great imports that never made it outside Japan. However, I would not say it was a good as the Dreamcast and especially not as good as the Genesis/MD.

AlexKidd5000

I personally love all the arcade perfect ports on the DC, as well as many of its exclusives (at least exclusive at the time). I do admit that it has achieved an almost legendary like status with some people, which I don't agree with, but it is a very, very good console that deserves a good part of its positive reputation.

But yes, the Genesis is objectively the best Sega console ever released for so many reasons. While I personally like the DC more, I have no trouble recognizing how the Genesis bests it in so many ways.

I think it's pretty good, much better if you are importing Japanese games.

For me the Saturn was an overall better system with a better game library. At least it carried me through the generation, something that the Dreamcast just couldn't.Legolas_Katarn

The Saturn also seems to be the better choice currently. As far as I can tell most of the great Dreamcast games have either not aged well, been outdone by newer games, or are available on compilations or remakes.

I think 99% of all retro games have been bested by newer games, sometimes many, many times over. But that doesn't stop any of us from loving and appreciating the classics now does it? This applies to the Dreamcast, Saturn and virtually any console that isn't the PS3, XBOX 360 or Wii/Wii U.

[QUOTE="Legolas_Katarn"]I think it's pretty good, much better if you are importing Japanese games.

For me the Saturn was an overall better system with a better game library. At least it carried me through the generation, something that the Dreamcast just couldn't.Shenmue_Jehuty

The Saturn also seems to be the better choice currently. As far as I can tell most of the great Dreamcast games have either not aged well, been outdone by newer games, or are available on compilations or remakes.

I think 99% of all retro games have been bested by newer games, sometimes many, many times over. But that doesn't stop any of us from loving and appreciating the classics now does it? This applies to the Dreamcast, Saturn and virtually any console that isn't the PS3, XBOX 360 or Wii/Wii U.

I think it's pretty good, much better if you are importing Japanese games.

For me the Saturn was an overall better system with a better game library. At least it carried me through the generation, something that the Dreamcast just couldn't.Legolas_Katarn

The Saturn also seems to be the better choice currently. As far as I can tell most of the great Dreamcast games have either not aged well, been outdone by newer games, or are available on compilations or remakes.

what dreamcast games haven't aged well? I think it's the oldest system to have aged so well.

[QUOTE="bultje112"]

[QUOTE="LongZhiZi"]I bought a Saturn in the early 2000s.....I don't get the love. Sure it's got some good games, but nothing really struck me. My most two played games were Decathlete and Fire Prowrestling: 6man Scramble. I will say that the Saturn's controller is, hands-down, the best controller ever constructed, given what it was designed to be.LongZhiZi

if you buy sh** games then yeah of course it's not going to appeal to you.

1) NIGHTS Into Dreams [1177]
2) Panzer Dragoon Saga [949]
3) Shining Force III [687]
4) Guardian Heroes [674]
5) Radiant Silvergun [565]
6) Panzer Dragoon Zwei [561]
7) Dragon Force [501]
8) Sega Rally Championship [380]
9) Virtua Fighter 2 [344]
10) Saturn Bomberman [303]
11) Fighters Megamix [283]
12) Panzer Dragoon [237]
13) X-Men vs. Street Fighter [228]
14) Burning Rangers [211]
15) Shining The Holy Ark [207]
16) Sonic Jam [183]
17) Street Fighter Zero 3 [159]
18) Magic Knight Rayearth [155]
19) Virtual On [152]
20) Grandia [151]
21) Albert Odyssey: Legend Of Eldean [141]
22) Street Fighter Zero 2 [137]
23) Daytona USA [121]
24) Virtua Cop [118]
25) Soukyugurentai [113]
26) Battle Garegga [111]
27) Virtua Cop 2 [111]
28) Sonic R [110]
29) Metal Slug [109]
30) Street Fighter Collection [106]
31) Resident Evil [99]
32) Dracula X [98]
33) Marvel vs. Street Fighter [97]
34) Legend Of Oasis [92]
35) Tomb Raider [89]
36) Duke Nukem 3D [88]
37) Dark Savior [86]
38) Super Puzzle Fighter 2 Turbo [83]
39) Christmas NIGHTS [73]
40) Vampire Savior [71]
41) Thunder Force V [68]
42) Blazing Heroes [66]
43) Tengai Makyo IV: The Apocalypse [60]
44) Quake [60]
45) Enemy Zero [61]
46) Sakura Wars [60]
47) DoDonpachi [60]
48) Astal [57]
49) Darius Gaiden [55]
50) Princess Crown [54]
51) Deep Fear [52]

a good list

a good list

bultje112

[QUOTE="bultje112"]

a good list

LongZhiZi

Just because they aren't exclusive, doesn't mean they aren't worth getting and playing. With that logic, no console on Earth is worth owning if you have a decent gaming PC, minus the current generation.

[QUOTE="bultje112"]

a good list

LongZhiZi

[QUOTE="bultje112"]

a good list

LongZhiZi

lol @ this troll attempt

[QUOTE="LongZhiZi"][QUOTE="bultje112"]

a good list

Lucianu

Just because they aren't exclusive, doesn't mean they aren't worth getting and playing. With that logic, no console on Earth is worth owning if you have a decent gaming PC, minus the current generation.

most of those games are still exclusive, amost all the top titles, like sf3 games, panzer dragoon saga, dragon force etc

a good list

bultje112

it really isn't, there's a lot of fluff in there

[QUOTE="bultje112"]

a good list

rilpas

it really isn't, there's a lot of fluff in there

It looked like a good list of games to me. The Saturn is a great system. But still, I preferred the PS1 that generation.

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

[QUOTE="bultje112"]

a good list

Emerald_Warrior

it really isn't, there's a lot of fluff in there

It looked like a good list of games to me. The Saturn is a great system. But still, I preferred the PS1 that generation.

it wasn't a bad list, but it's padded with games like Quake, Sonic R or Duke Nukem 3D

I'd also argue that placing RPGs that were never released outside Japan is a bit of padding

[QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"]

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

it really isn't, there's a lot of fluff in there

rilpas

It looked like a good list of games to me. The Saturn is a great system. But still, I preferred the PS1 that generation.

it wasn't a bad list, but it's padded with games like Quake, Sonic R or Duke Nukem 3D

I'd also argue that placing RPGs that were never released outside Japan is a bit of padding

Here's my personal list of games worth getting or playing. Either they are exclusive, have at most 1 other port, have extra exclusive content, or are just cheaper than dirt (such as with Nights into Dreams, Virtua Fighter 2, etc.). All of them are great and have aged well.

1. Panzer Dragoon Zwei
2. Bulk Slash
3. Virtua Fighter 2
4. SEGA Rally (the mechanics and car handling have barely ben surpassed, light years ahead of its time)
5. Nights into Dreams...
6. Panzer Dragoon Saga (jp version infinitely cheaper)
7. Shinning The Holy Ark
8. Shinning Force III Scenario 1, 2 and 3
9. Dragon Force II
10. Magic Knight Rayearth
11. Albert Odyssey
12. PowerSlave
13. Daytona USA CE (jp import)
14. Winter Heat
15. Night Striker S
16. Grid Runner
17. Astal
18. Super Tempo
19. The Legend of Oasis
20. Saturn Bomberman
21. Purikura Daisakusen
22. Guardian Heroes
23. Keio Flying Squadron 2
24. Shinobi-X
25. Dungeon & Dragons Collection
26. Three Dirty Dwarves
27. Astra Super Stars
28. Marvel Super Heroes vs. Street Fighter
29. Cyberbots
30. Street Fighter Alpha 2
31. Assault Suit Leynos 2
32. Gunbird
33. Sengoku Blade
34. Game Tengoku - The Game Paradise
35. Darius Gaiden
36. Galactic Attack
37. Cotton 2
38. Battle Garegga
39. Batsugun
40. Sonic Jam (extra content, easier modes, a lot of charm poured into it)
41. Virtua Cop 2 (one of the best lightgun games ever to grace a console)

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

[QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"]

It looked like a good list of games to me. The Saturn is a great system. But still, I preferred the PS1 that generation.

Darkman2007

it wasn't a bad list, but it's padded with games like Quake, Sonic R or Duke Nukem 3D

I'd also argue that placing RPGs that were never released outside Japan is a bit of padding

meh SAturn Quake is pretty decent Saturn Duke 3D not so much

honestly, I think the games work better as curiosities given their history then actual games

it wasn't a bad list, but it's padded with games like Quake, Sonic R or Duke Nukem 3D

I'd also argue that placing RPGs that were never released outside Japan is a bit of padding

rilpas

Nah, dowloading a translation guide and mearly looking at it once a dialogue sequence/important text appears isn't immersive breaking. I mean, text appears, takes a sec. to move to the paper to read, takes another sec. to move back on the screen.

[QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"]

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

it really isn't, there's a lot of fluff in there

rilpas

It looked like a good list of games to me. The Saturn is a great system. But still, I preferred the PS1 that generation.

it wasn't a bad list, but it's padded with games like Quake, Sonic R or Duke Nukem 3D

I'd also argue that placing RPGs that were never released outside Japan is a bit of padding

Quake and Duke Nukem 3D are great games. The never released outside of Japan RPGs, I can agree with though. But still, take those out, and it's still a great list of games.

Quake and Duke Nukem 3D are great games. The never released outside of Japan RPGs, I can agree with though. But still, take those out, and it's still a great list of games.

Emerald_Warrior

I don't think the Saturn versions are all that great, especially for Duke Nukem 3D where almost all of the Duke's lines were removed.

Nah, dowloading a translation guide and mearly looking at it once a dialogue sequence/important text appears isn't immersive breaking. I mean, text appears, takes a sec. to move to the paper to read, takes another sec. to move back on the screen.

Lucianu

I think it's way too much needless work, especially when you're wandering town trying to talk to random NPCs.

Heck, is there even a point in trying to talk to random NPCs when you already know what they'll say before hand? It's like using a freaking walkthrough, not a fan of that

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

[QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"]

It looked like a good list of games to me. The Saturn is a great system. But still, I preferred the PS1 that generation.

Emerald_Warrior

it wasn't a bad list, but it's padded with games like Quake, Sonic R or Duke Nukem 3D

I'd also argue that placing RPGs that were never released outside Japan is a bit of padding

Quake and Duke Nukem 3D are great games. The never released outside of Japan RPGs, I can agree with though. But still, take those out, and it's still a great list of games.

Eh, i would say that the only FPS worth owning on the Saturn is PowerSlave. Not only does it have a completely different engine than the PC version that is perfectly suited for the Saturn pad, but it offers a decent chunk of exclusive content over the PS1/PC version, also a few completely different levels.

Quake and Duke 3D.. not so much. A toaster of a PC can run them, fully modded, or in original mode. Not to mention a ton of extra content.

Quake and Duke 3D.. not so much. A toaster of a PC can run them, fully modded, or in original mode. Not to mention a ton of extra content.

Lucianu

indeed. The saturn versions are interesting for the story behind them, but little else

[QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"]

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

it wasn't a bad list, but it's padded with games like Quake, Sonic R or Duke Nukem 3D

I'd also argue that placing RPGs that were never released outside Japan is a bit of padding

Lucianu

Quake and Duke Nukem 3D are great games. The never released outside of Japan RPGs, I can agree with though. But still, take those out, and it's still a great list of games.

Eh, i would say that the only FPS worth owning on the Saturn is PowerSlave. Not only does it have a completely different engine than the PC version that is perfectly suited for the Saturn pad, but it offers a decent chunk of exclusive content over the PS1/PC version, also a few completely different levels.

Quake and Duke 3D.. not so much. A toaster of a PC can run them, fully modded, or in original mode. Not to mention a ton of extra content.

I haven't actually played Duke 3D on Saturn :| But I have played Quake, and it's a great version of the game.

I think it's way too much needless work, especially when you're wandering town trying to talk to random NPCs.

Heck, is there even a point in trying to talk to random NPCs when you already know what they'll say before hand? It's like using a freaking walkthrough, not a fan of that

rilpas

Who said anything about reading ahead? You accordingly plan wen to read each segment.

Eh, it's a hassle until you get used to it, but it's not needless work if you want to play a japanese RPG.

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

I think it's way too much needless work, especially when you're wandering town trying to talk to random NPCs.

Heck, is there even a point in trying to talk to random NPCs when you already know what they'll say before hand? It's like using a freaking walkthrough, not a fan of that

Lucianu

Who said anything about reading ahead? You accordingly plan wen to read each segment.

Eh, it's a hassle until you get used to it, but it's not needless work if you want to play a japanese RPG.

I think it's way too much needless work, especially when you're wandering town trying to talk to random NPCs.

Heck, is there even a point in trying to talk to random NPCs when you already know what they'll say before hand? It's like using a freaking walkthrough, not a fan of that.

rilpas

^This

Don't find using a translation FAQ for RPGs remotely fun at all.

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

[QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"]

It looked like a good list of games to me. The Saturn is a great system. But still, I preferred the PS1 that generation.

Darkman2007

it wasn't a bad list, but it's padded with games like Quake, Sonic R or Duke Nukem 3D

I'd also argue that placing RPGs that were never released outside Japan is a bit of padding

it has only 2 levels, but it's better even than original nights, also graphically

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="rilpas"]

it wasn't a bad list, but it's padded with games like Quake, Sonic R or Duke Nukem 3D

I'd also argue that placing RPGs that were never released outside Japan is a bit of padding

rilpas

meh SAturn Quake is pretty decent Saturn Duke 3D not so much

honestly, I think the games work better as curiosities given their history then actual games

I hope this iks a joke, duke nukem 3d on saturn is widely considered the best duke nukem 3d console port and one of the saturn behcmark titles. it blows the psx to pieces and is very good

I hope this iks a joke,

bultje112

it is not

duke nukem 3d on saturn is widely considered the best duke nukem 3d console portbultje112

Heck, Mark from Cl a s s i c game room and Clint From the Lazy game reviews hated it

and Clint is a huge Duke Nukem 3D fanboy

and one of the saturn behcmark titles. it blows the psx to pieces and is very good

bultje112

too bad it's missing 4 levels, while others were cut down, it has no triggered events and it's missing over half of Duke's lines

[QUOTE="bultje112"]

it is not

[QUOTE="bultje112"]

duke nukem 3d on saturn is widely considered the best duke nukem 3d console portrilpas

Heck, Mark from Cl a s s i c game room and Clint From the Lazy game reviews hated it

and Clint is a huge Duke Nukem 3D fanboy

and one of the saturn behcmark titles. it blows the psx to pieces and is very good

bultje112

too bad it's missing 4 levels, while others were cut down, it has no triggered events and it's missing over half of Duke's lines

I still consider the Saturn version the best console, though I can understand what LGR in particular was complaining about (CGR less so , most of what I heard was that he disliked the controls). of course the version I play the most is the PC , with Gravis Ultrasound too, best way to play the game.Darkman2007

personally, I just think every 32bitconsole port is kinda meh

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]I still consider the Saturn version the best console, though I can understand what LGR in particular was complaining about (CGR less so , most of what I heard was that he disliked the controls). of course the version I play the most is the PC , with Gravis Ultrasound too, best way to play the game.rilpas

personally, I just think every 32bitconsole port is kinda meh

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]I still consider the Saturn version the best console, though I can understand what LGR in particular was complaining about (CGR less so , most of what I heard was that he disliked the controls). of course the version I play the most is the PC , with Gravis Ultrasound too, best way to play the game.Darkman2007

personally, I just think every 32bitconsole port is kinda meh

I am, it has the best gameplay, but the lack of music and Duke's attitude get to me

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="rilpas"]

personally, I just think every 32bitconsole port is kinda meh

rilpas

I am, it has the best gameplay, but the lack of music and Duke's attitude get to me

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] Im assuming youre including the N64 in this? to be fair though , this happened with alot of PC ports,alot of games were better on PCDarkman2007

I am, it has the best gameplay, but the lack of music and Duke's attitude get to me

indeed, though on a technical aspect, that version is very impressive

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="rilpas"]

I am, it has the best gameplay, but the lack of music and Duke's attitude get to me

rilpas

indeed, though on a technical aspect, that version is very impressive

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] at least they are better than the Mega Drive version :PDarkman2007

indeed, though on a technical aspect, that version is very impressive

agreed, though I actually consider VF 2 a guilty pleasure, yes it sucks... but I sort of have fun with it

The Sega Saturn ruled in Japan. It is a shame that most of the games for Sega Saturn didn't make it to North America. The E3 1995 "it's on store shelves now" seems to be what killed the Sega Saturn in North America

I was most excited for Sega Saturn by end up going to the Sony Playstation. Because of May Day 1995.

The Sega Saturn ruled in Japan. It is a shame that most of the games for Sega Saturn didn't make it to North America. The E3 1995 "it's on store shelves now" seems to be what killed the Sega Saturn in North America.

Megavideogamer

Also I think what killed it was the very weird commercials that left casual gamers scratching their heads. And not porting enough hits in Japan to Europe & America.

[QUOTE="Megavideogamer"]

The Sega Saturn ruled in Japan. It is a shame that most of the games for Sega Saturn didn't make it to North America. The E3 1995 "it's on store shelves now" seems to be what killed the Sega Saturn in North America.

Emerald_Warrior

Also I think what killed it was the very weird commercials that left casual gamers scratching their heads. And not porting enough hits in Japan to Europe & America.

They had little publisher support in the west. There just wasn't anyone willing to localize those games, and SEGA just couldn't bring every other game by themselves, though they did brought a whole bunch of games that originally had different publishers.

In Japan publishers could manufacture their games themselves if they wanted even since Famicom era. I don't know about now, but back then companies didn't had that flexibility in the west.

Had it as my first 32-bit console. Uncle bought it as a gift at launch (who also got us an SNES at launch prior). After its Western demise I switched to the N64 til about '99 when I finally got a PSX.

It introduced me to the Megaman series with MegamanX4. For that I will be eternally grateful. Additional fond memories of Myst, Virtua Fighter, the WorldWide Soccer games, NBA Jam, Bug!, the first Clockwork Knight game, Daytona, Die Hard Arcade, X-Men: CotA, the SF Alpha series, NHL Hockey, WWF In Your House. I recall wanting Sonic Jam so bad but it always sold out whenever the stores stocked on it.

Also remember almost buying Burining Rangers when it released, but my folks gave me a choice of either that or the N64. So I skipped it.

[QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"]

[QUOTE="Spironcheese"]That's quite a broad statement considering that the Genesis had hundreds of good games and the Dreamcast hooked up to the Internet before the ps2 and Xbox and put a screen in the controller before the Wii U. I do agree the Saturn holds its place in gaming history ,but I don't believe it was as near as good as it's predecessor or successor.JigglyWiggly_

Saturn did online first, actually.

For me the Saturn was an overall better system with a better game library. At least it carried me through the generation, something that the Dreamcast just couldn't.

[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"]

[QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"]

Saturn did online first, actually.

For me the Saturn was an overall better system with a better game library. At least it carried me through the generation, something that the Dreamcast just couldn't.

Stinger78

The Commodore 64 has them both beat with Quantum Link.

[QUOTE="Stinger78"][QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"] sega genesis has online w/ xband

Emerald_Warrior

The Commodore 64 has them both beat with Quantum Link.

The 2600 had a game service called Gameline, that allowed users to download games over a modem of sorts (essentially a cartridge that connected to your phoneline)

not online as such , but close enough given its the 2600

[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"]

[QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"]

Saturn did online first, actually.

For me the Saturn was an overall better system with a better game library. At least it carried me through the generation, something that the Dreamcast just couldn't.

Stinger78