Objectification of women in video games, will it never end?

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#201 iDefinition
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[size=25]"You know, when the first message on the page talks about women in hentai you kinda know the discussion is derailed to.. well, we're talking about hentai so god knows what."[/size] Sorry for size=1000000 but really I can only wonder how serious this is when you talk about hentai. I added the quotation marks for dramatic wiseguy effect. Oh well, everyone aboard the chauvinism train. https://ssreporters.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/failtrain.jpg EDIT: JarateSpot.. check the last page to know what I'm talking about.
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#202 El_Zo1212o
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[QUOTE="keech"]

[QUOTE="Grammaton-Cleric"]

Without proper context, that image doesn't mean jack-shit either way.

While you could make the argument that the female in that rendering is an overtly sexualized being clad in skimpy clothing in a semi-submissive pose, the inverse of that impression is that her feminine beauty is a weapon used to lure lusty fools into underestimating her cybernetic lethality, evidenced by the throng of dead men at her feet.

One could even argue that her sexuality, which is rendered in an almost sterile notion of perfection, was purposely done so as to juxtapose that feminine beauty with the grotesquery of her artificial limbs and the violence they have wrought.

It is also possible that she is entirely mechanical, rendering her sexuality even more of a dark irony.

Personally, I think the issues of sexualized females and the overreliance of tropes and stereotypes in gaming is a discussion worth having but unfortunately many of the examples cited as evidence are flimsy or entirely irrelevant.

And without context, that image doesn't prove anything.

 

XDeSuEhTX

A wild Grammaton appears!  :shock:

 

I sincerely hope any of the sensationalist prone individuals following this thread are dumb enough to argue with you on this.  :lol:

There's nothing dumb about arguing against that. It is also not the first time in the thread someone has said exactly this. I've said again and again, there's nothing to prove or disprove when critiquing this image. What does it matter what this character is protrayed as? Clearly not much. Making her a hero doesn't make it any less sexualized, making her an enemy doesn't make it more, or any worse. None of that changes the way they've chosen to depict her, or the way they've chosen to show off the game. It only shows that regardless of any outcome, they've choosen sensationalism. Not me. They've chosen to market silly sexualized images of female characters in-game, and clearly this is done with a target audience in mind.

Any trivial in-game scenario like what Grammaton has offered, are all just examples sexist "tropes and stereotypes" involving women, ones that rely heavily upon air brushed beauty and hyper sexualized presentation. Pair that with whatever you want, it is what it is.

Let's play a game: There's an image of a woman in a bikini and nothing else. Is she 'objectified'?
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#203 keech
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There's nothing dumb about arguing against that. It is also not the first time in the thread someone has said exactly this. I've said again and again, there's nothing to prove or disprove when critiquing this image. What does it matter what this character is protrayed as? Clearly not much. Making her a hero doesn't make it any less sexualized, making her an enemy doesn't make it more, or any worse. None of that changes the way they've chosen to depict her, or the way they've chosen to show off the game. It only shows that regardless of any outcome, they've choosen sensationalism. Not me. They've chosen to market silly sexualized images of female characters in-game, and clearly this is done with a target audience in mind.

Any trivial in-game scenario like what Grammaton has offered, are all just examples sexist "tropes and stereotypes" involving women, ones that rely heavily upon air brushed beauty and hyper sexualized presentation. Pair that with whatever you want, it is what it is.

XDeSuEhTX

A very simple and elegant rebuttal that pretty much breaks down most everything you've been saying this entire thread:

 

I disagree, I find nothing sexually stimulating about the picture you linked what so ever.

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#204 Ricardomz
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Lol, there are a lot of women that aren't like that. 

E.g.: that girl in Mass Effect.

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#205 TheDarkSpot
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Was browsing around at upcoming games, and apparently PS4 has an upcoming game with a female protagonist, oh boy! Saw the screen shot and wanted to face-palm. Of course, there you have her. Down on her knees in a Sports Illustrated pose, wearing just a bustier and a thong. Evidently the outfit of the warriros, no? Clothes are so overrated. In the future, there is a major pants shortage, apparently only women's pants because there's plenty of men's.

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Game devs continue to not take women seriously, and it's really annoying. Every female protagonist gets sexualized, but this is blatened objectification. Did they learn nothing from X-Blades? Please, if you're gonna make a female protagonist, make her respectable. Especially if you want your game to succeed and not totally flop. Quit trying to mix porn with video games, it's a polorizing waste of time and resources.

Would somebody PLEASE get that girl some pants and some freakin' armor, and get her into a pose that says "I'm ready to kick butt", instead of "I'm ready to suck...." something or another.

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Absolutely with you. Personally, I would like to see a Max Payne-like female PROTAGONIST. And/or one that isn't unreasonably young or in their 20s. One in their late 30s or in their 40s would be an interesting change.
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#206 the_ChEeSe_mAn2
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We still don't know if the woman in the screen shot is a protagonist, antagonist, a supporting character, or heck even just a marketing tool. I wouldn't be so quick to jump to conclusions. Yes, sexism is a major problem not only in video games, but in regular society as well. However, going in with a "holier than thou" attitude about it will not help your cause.