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[QUOTE="Pedro"]Its funny how you will say consoles drive the industry when this gen has suffered the most developer loss and bankruptcy and is mainly due to the same consoles.S0lidSnake

Yeah the worst recession since the great depression had nothing to do with it. :P

EDIT: lol at dvader struggling with quotes. 3 Edits and it's still a mess. 

The economy definitely played (is playing still) a role, but I'd argue that it was bullheaded pricing decisions by Microsoft and Sony that hurt just as much if not more.

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[QUOTE="dvader654"]Yeah no. The console industry drives this industry, not PC. Just look at all the biggest game companies, the grand grand majority of the best selling games, where are they all making their money? (Cell phones :P )

How about E3 our industries premier event, would you dare say that it is a PC centric event. It is a console dominated event cause CONSOLES drive this industry.dvader654

Please, dvader. You are so disconnected with all aspects of PC gaming that it would take a while for me to explain how and why the PC market is the biggest. Seeing as how you literally know nothing about it, and how we did this dance multiple times over the years, just trust me on this. PC is huge.

The multiplatform console-centric games usually sell better on consoles, but try to understand that there is a huge market on PC for games that you probably never even heard of. And those console-centric games still sell well on PC. It's the only market big enough to support all these titles.

Also, Gamescom is the biggest event of the game industry and PC is prominent there.

The economy definitely played (is playing still) a role, but I'd argue that it was bullheaded pricing decisions by Microsoft and Sony that hurt just as much if not more.Shame-usBlackley

[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"]t doesn't matter: you can play those games on PC no problem. Meaning they are not XBOX exclusives.S0lidSnake

Console exclusives. There. 

If you didnt have a 360 back in 2007, you would've had to build at least a $600 PC (twice as much as the cheapest 360) or a $1000 PC to make sure it looks and runs as good or better than the console versions. And that's people who know how to build PCs. Most people, people like you, went for the 360 instead. 

[QUOTE="Pedro"]

[QUOTE="S0lidSnake"]

lol $250 PC? Good luck playing the Witcher 2 on that. 

PC gaming is a very niche market. Nothing as big as console. Let's take a poll in this very thread and see how many people playing Mass Effect, Bioschock, Splinter Cell, ALan Wake and Witcher 2 on PC. 

S0lidSnake

The PC gaming market is bigger than the console market. However, the bulk of the gaming is not in the high end 3D that is common on the console but the simple social networking games that clock in insane amounts of revenue. In addition to that, the majority of the population have a PC and the main piece of hardware that is lacking for modern day gaming in most computers is a good graphic card that would be less than $250. Also, this is the last generation for console gaming. Console gaming would be niche in about 5-8 years.

Yup. See this is what I have a problem with everytime this comes up and UIF gets upset. Why in the world would I care about Farmville sales numbers? Or Sims for that matter? Or even World of Warcraft? Blackknight and I are talking about XBox exclusives that are on PC. World of Warcraft is not on Xbox. Sims isnt either. OF COURSE I am talking about the high end 3D games like Bioshock and Mass Effect. That's what our entire argument was.... high end 3D games as you put them.

I dont think anyone here would claim that the PC centric games like DOTA2, Sims and MMOs have a big demand on consoles. Just like how no one should/could claim that console centric like Mass Effect, Bioshock and Alan Wake would sell as much if not more on PC. Hence, PC gaming for such titles is niche at best. Hell, Rockstar didnt even bother porting over their biggest game in 2010 to PC. They havent even announced the PC version of GTA4. If it was the largest market for such games then Rockstar would be all over it. But right now, they are treating it like they are treating the Wii U port. That right there is all I need to say.

All I was saying was that back in 2007, people chose the Xbox over the PC to play games like Mass Effect and Bioshock. If anyone has sales numbers that say otherwise then I will gladly retract my earlier statement. 

I am not going to do sales cause you can throw in a bunch of random crap on of that I don't even consider to be part of the same industry. Also PC is a giant universal platform, of course it will be able to have a huge market. I am saying that the FOCUS of this industry has been and at least for now will be consoles. To deny that is to simply pretend you live in some bubble world where you ignore all aspects of this industry. Explain to me why the grand majority of all gaming media be it websites, magazines, TV focus on console gaming. Why the grand majority of all industry events are focused on console gaming. Why almost a fan sites and message boards about gaming are console focused. Why all the biggest companies in this industry focus the majority of their premier franchises on consoles. What is this E3 is not the biggest industry event, LOL. What Re you going to argue the amount of people that go? The floor space? The biggest news, the biggest reveals, the moment most companies use to show of the future of this industry happens at E3, no other event even comes close. Open your eyes, look around you. Look at this GENERAL board, what are most topics about... I am not saying PC is not huge or smaller, simply that this industry remains focused on console gaming, it is where the most attention is put. To deny that is simply insane to me.dvader654

You are ridiculous. You are not going to do sales because of games you don't care about and then you accuse me of ignoring all aspects of this industry? :lol:

Your focus argument is skewed bulls*** (you are giving this board as an example, seriously?). America is not the world. Go to Europe, go to Asia, and the "focus" changes. Regardless, I don't care about focus or hype or whatever and that wasn't what I was talking about.

But since you went back on your words (just like S0lid) and admitted that the PC market is huge, I consider the matter settled. :)

Lol console "high end 3D graphics" Go play Crysis on ultra, a 5 year old game that will munch every game ever made for consoles for breakfast. chaplainDMK

I have. And no.

[QUOTE="S0lidSnake"]

[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"]t doesn't matter: you can play those games on PC no problem. Meaning they are not XBOX exclusives.Black_Knight_00

Console exclusives. There. 

If you didnt have a 360 back in 2007, you would've had to build at least a $600 PC (twice as much as the cheapest 360) or a $1000 PC to make sure it looks and runs as good or better than the console versions. And that's people who know how to build PCs. Most people, people like you, went for the 360 instead. 

True.
But this is a more accurate scenario:

GME, You and I are courting the same girl. She f*cks GME. She f*cks me. But GME has paid her $5 million to not f*ck you. Exclusive or not, at the end of the day you are the only one going to sleep with a dry penis

Stop arguing semantics. Stop getting worked up over words like Console Exclusives. The fact of the matter is that Microsoft PAID Bioware and 2K for timed exclusivity to keep those games from launching on the PS3. That's a fact. If Microsoft believes in timed exclusitivity enough to shell out millions to keep it from appearing on the PS3 then it's as real as it can be. The fact that some guys in this thread are saying it's not is blowing my mind.

I also can't agree with this console exclusive thing being thrown around, it's nonsensical. If I had a PC and PS3 (ie half of Europe), what would it matter to me if Microsoft payed whatever to whomever?

But regardless, that still doesn't matter. The game is available on more than ONE system. I DON'T NEED THAT SYSTEM to play it. It's not exclusive. *shrugs*

True.
But this is a more accurate scenario:

GME, You and I are courting the same girl. She f*cks GME. She f*cks me. But GME has paid her $5 million to not f*ck you. Exclusive or not, at the end of the day you are the only one going to sleep with a dry penis

Stop arguing semantics. Stop getting worked up over words like Console Exclusives. The fact of the matter is that Microsoft PAID Bioware and 2K for timed exclusivity to keep those games from launching on the PS3. That's a fact. If Microsoft believes in timed exclusitivity enough to shell out millions to keep it from appearing on the PS3 then it's as real as it can be. The fact that some guys in this thread are saying it's not is blowing my mind. S0lidSnake

[QUOTE="S0lidSnake"]True.
But this is a more accurate scenario:

GME, You and I are courting the same girl. She f*cks GME. She f*cks me. But GME has paid her $5 million to not f*ck you. Exclusive or not, at the end of the day you are the only one going to sleep with a dry penis

Stop arguing semantics. Stop getting worked up over words like Console Exclusives. The fact of the matter is that Microsoft PAID Bioware and 2K for timed exclusivity to keep those games from launching on the PS3. That's a fact. If Microsoft believes in timed exclusitivity enough to shell out millions to keep it from appearing on the PS3 then it's as real as it can be. The fact that some guys in this thread are saying it's not is blowing my mind. Black_Knight_00

Yes, they are available on PC. Ok, now how many people do you think looked at that and said ok, $1,000 PC VS $300 Xbox? Do we even have sales figures for Mass Effect PC, Splinter Cell PC, Alan Wake PC and Bioshock PC? And by sales figures I mean before they went on Steam for $5. 

The fact of the matter is that buying up console exclusivity matters. It matters because most console gamers dont have the means or the time to build a gaming PC. Especially early on in the gen when you needed an expensive setup to be able to play these next gen games at the fidelity they were on the 360. MS knew this. And they bet on it. It worked for them too because they stole a huge chunk of the PS fanbase by focusing on buying console exclusives.

[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"][QUOTE="S0lidSnake"]True.
But this is a more accurate scenario:

GME, You and I are courting the same girl. She f*cks GME. She f*cks me. But GME has paid her $5 million to not f*ck you. Exclusive or not, at the end of the day you are the only one going to sleep with a dry penis

Stop arguing semantics. Stop getting worked up over words like Console Exclusives. The fact of the matter is that Microsoft PAID Bioware and 2K for timed exclusivity to keep those games from launching on the PS3. That's a fact. If Microsoft believes in timed exclusitivity enough to shell out millions to keep it from appearing on the PS3 then it's as real as it can be. The fact that some guys in this thread are saying it's not is blowing my mind. S0lidSnake

Yes, they are available on PC. Ok, now how many people do you think looked at that and said ok, $1,000 PC VS $300 Xbox? Do we even have sales figures for Mass Effect PC, Splinter Cell PC, Alan Wake PC and Bioshock PC? And by sales figures I mean before they went on Steam for $5. 

The fact of the matter is that buying up console exclusivity matters. It matters because most console gamers dont have the means or the time to build a gaming PC. Especially early on in the gen when you needed an expensive setup to be able to play these next gen games at the fidelity they were on the 360. MS knew this. And they bet on it. It worked for them too because they stole a huge chunk of the PS fanbase by focusing on buying console exclusives.

[QUOTE="S0lidSnake"]True.
But this is a more accurate scenario:

GME, You and I are courting the same girl. She f*cks GME. She f*cks me. But GME has paid her $5 million to not f*ck you. Exclusive or not, at the end of the day you are the only one going to sleep with a dry penis

Stop arguing semantics. Stop getting worked up over words like Console Exclusives. The fact of the matter is that Microsoft PAID Bioware and 2K for timed exclusivity to keep those games from launching on the PS3. That's a fact. If Microsoft believes in timed exclusitivity enough to shell out millions to keep it from appearing on the PS3 then it's as real as it can be. The fact that some guys in this thread are saying it's not is blowing my mind. Black_Knight_00

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Now I'm not going to claim that all of these exclusives were top tier but let's dispense with the notion that MS didn't offer a healthy dose of quality exclusives, even if we can also agree that Sony enjoyed the better overall output.

Now I'm not going to claim that all of these exclusives were top tier but let's dispense with the notion that MS didn't offer a healthy does of quality exclusives, even if we can also agree that Sony enjoyed the better overall output.Grammaton-Cleric

[QUOTE="S0lidSnake"]

[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"] Ok, first of all, I wouldn't put my d*ck anywhere near where GME put his. But aside from that. What do I care if microsoft paid money to a publisher to get a timed exclusive? Most xbox "exclusives" are still available for PC gamers to play on their computers without the need to purchase an xbox, whereas, if you want to play Uncharted, Heavy Rain, God of War, The Last of Us, Beyond, Killzone, Journey, your only option is to buy a PS3. What good is an exclusive that doesn't compel people to buy a system, the reason being it's also available elsewhere or will soon be?Black_Knight_00

Yes, they are available on PC. Ok, now how many people do you think looked at that and said ok, $1,000 PC VS $300 Xbox? Do we even have sales figures for Mass Effect PC, Splinter Cell PC, Alan Wake PC and Bioshock PC? And by sales figures I mean before they went on Steam for $5. 

The fact of the matter is that buying up console exclusivity matters. It matters because most console gamers dont have the means or the time to build a gaming PC. Especially early on in the gen when you needed an expensive setup to be able to play these next gen games at the fidelity they were on the 360. MS knew this. And they bet on it. It worked for them too because they stole a huge chunk of the PS fanbase by focusing on buying console exclusives.

A PC is not just for gaming, plus that $1000 figure is bollocks: you can scale down graphical detail and hardware price along with it. Also, the xbox didn't steal any PS fanbase because of its merits: it was the PS3 itself that turned people away due to the high price and no games of the first 2 years. In case you haven't heard, PS3 sales recently overtook XBOX sales worldwide, despite the nearly 2 years advantage of the XBOX. That's because Sony has been shooting out incredible exclusives on full auto for the last 4 years as opposed to Microsoft who has slummed on Halo and Gears rehashes. Once again: *actual* exclusives > *pseudo* exclusives.

Black_Knight_00

I built a $1000 PC a year and half ago. Actually over $1,300 if you include a monitor and other accessories you dont realize you will be needing. I had also built a midrange PC in late 2004 for Half Life 2 and while it ran HL2 at medium settings, games like Bioshock refused to run on it. So I'd like to say I know a thing or two about PC gaming. 

And read what I wrote again, you couldn't have played games like Gears of War and Bioshock at the fidelity of the 360 version on a cheap PC. Especially back then. Everyone knows this. Everyone knew this back then. And they picked the 360 version. The 360 versions sold millions... PC, not so much. This has already happened, no need to argue facts. 

Yes, the PS3 being $200 more expensive the first year didn't help. But Sony had the $400 SKU out by November 2007. So the same price as the 360 Elite and only $100 more expensive than the arcade version with no HDD, no wifi, no wireless controller and came with a bluray player that were selling for over $500 at the time. What did Sony not have? Gears of War. Mass Effect. Bioshock. Three games that won dozens and dozens of Game of the Year awards. They were all available on PC.

Lastly, that article was proven to be BS. According to Sony's latest financials, they are still trailing the Xbox by around 5-7 million units. MS has been on fire over here in the states, outselling the PS3 nearly 2:1 in the last two years. It's still terrible in Japan which is where Sony makes up most of its lead, but MS has been gaining some ground in Europe as well which is why Sony with its 7 million unit lead in Japan is still traling by nearly 6 million units. Also, the PS3 launched a year after the 360, unless you are counting Europe which launched only five months after the U.S launch.... so no, not nearly 2 year advantge. 

P.S You keep talking about semantics. To the average consumer, pseduo vs actual exclusive didn't matter. It's either on the PS3 or it's not. It's that simple. Microsoft knew this and played this beautifully. 

 

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Available on PC. :)

[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"]

A PC is not just for gaming, plus that $1000 figure is bollocks: you can scale down graphical detail and hardware price along with it. Also, the xbox didn't steal any PS fanbase because of its merits: it was the PS3 itself that turned people away due to the high price and no games of the first 2 years. In case you haven't heard, PS3 sales recently overtook XBOX sales worldwide, despite the nearly 2 years advantage of the XBOX. That's because Sony has been shooting out incredible exclusives on full auto for the last 4 years as opposed to Microsoft who has slummed on Halo and Gears rehashes. Once again: *actual* exclusives > *pseudo* exclusives.

S0lidSnake

I built a $1000 PC a year and half ago. Actually over $1,300 if you include a monitor and other accessories you dont realize you will be needing. I had also built a midrange PC in late 2004 for Half Life 2 and while it ran HL2 at medium settings, games like Bioshock refused to run on it. So I'd like to say I know a thing or two about PC gaming. 

And read what I wrote again, you couldn't have played games like Gears of War and Bioshock at the fidelity of the 360 version on a cheap PC. Especially back then. Everyone knows this. Everyone knew this back then. And they picked the 360 version. The 360 versions sold millions... PC, not so much. This has already happened, no need to argue facts. 

Yes, the PS3 being $200 more expensive the first year didn't help. But Sony had the $400 SKU out by November 2007. So the same price as the 360 Elite and only $100 more expensive than the arcade version with no HDD, no wifi, no wireless controller and came with a bluray player that were selling for over $500 at the time. What did Sony not have? Gears of War. Mass Effect. Bioshock. Three games that won dozens and dozens of Game of the Year awards. They were all available on PC.

Lastly, that article was proven to be BS. According to Sony's latest financials, they are still trailing the Xbox by around 5-7 million units. MS has been on fire over here in the states, outselling the PS3 nearly 2:1 in the last two years. It's still terrible in Japan which is where Sony makes up most of its lead, but MS has been gaining some ground in Europe as well which is why Sony with its 7 million unit lead in Japan is still traling by nearly 6 million units. Also, the PS3 launched a year after the 360, unless you are counting Europe which launched only five months after the U.S launch.... so no, not nearly 2 year advantge. 

P.S You keep talking about semantics. To the average consumer, pseduo vs actual exclusive didn't matter. It's either on the PS3 or it's not. It's that simple. Microsoft knew this and played this beautifully. 

Finally, you know the procedure: you say my link is BS, you need to provide a link yourself or it never happened.

And read what I wrote again, you couldn't have played games like Gears of War and Bioshock at the fidelity of the 360 version on a cheap PC. Especially back then. Everyone knows this. Everyone knew this back then. And they picked the 360 version. The 360 versions sold millions... PC, not so much. This has already happened, no need to argue facts.S0lidSnake

"Facts" that you're pulling out of your ass, it seems. I just did a quick Google search on BioShock sales. In June 2008 Take-Two stated that they sold 2,2 million copies of BioShock. Five days later, Nvidia's VP said in an interview that the PC version sold over a million copies.

EDIT: Actually, Take-Two SHIPPED 2,2 million copies which would most likely mean that the PC version made up the majority of the sales. :lol:

Who cares about how much Gears sold? It's on PC, I don't need an xbox to play it. Period. Also, are you seriously telling me a PC with, say, 1.5GB of ram and a 256MB radeon can't run Gears 1 at XBOX 360 level?

Finally, you know the procedure: you say my link is BS, you need to provide a link yourself or it never happened.

Black_Knight_00

Who cares? That's the entire point. It didn't sell well. There is no demand because the non-360 owners didnt flock to it. It sold millions on the 360 = demand on 360. Sales figures on the PC matter. Finding sales figures for PC games is a f*cking pain in the ass and it's pissing off that UIF manages to find the one game on my list that sold well. F*ck! Ok UIF, I was mistaken but only on this one game. An exception I suppose seeing as how it's a PC series. Help me find sales figures for the rest of the games I brought up. Mass Effect, Gears, Splinter Cell because I sure as hell couldnt. 

And I dont know if a Gears 1 can run on the a 256mB radeon whatever. The point is that people didnt seem to care and went with the 360 version. The fact remains that it's not on the PS3 and a PS3 owner would have to purchase a PC $500 or $1000 to play it. That's an extra purchase. An extra $500-$1000. To the PS3 owner, it may as well be an exclusive. Why is this so hard to understand?

I went through this. I wanted to play Gears, Mass Effect, Splinter Cell. But I just couldnt afford a PC on top of a PS3. If those games were on the PS3, I would've played them. But they werent. It's as simple as that. 

As for that report. Sony's latest financials include figures from both PS3 and PS2.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=512076

That's how they take over the Xbox figures. They have merged the two together since last fiscal year.

I dont even know why I am arguing against Sony here. I am Captain f*cking Sony and have been saying for years that the PS3 will one day overtake the 360. And it's going to happen soon, but it hasn't happened yet. 

[QUOTE="S0lidSnake"]And read what I wrote again, you couldn't have played games like Gears of War and Bioshock at the fidelity of the 360 version on a cheap PC. Especially back then. Everyone knows this. Everyone knew this back then. And they picked the 360 version. The 360 versions sold millions... PC, not so much. This has already happened, no need to argue facts.UpInFlames

"Facts" that you're pulling out of your ass, it seems. I just did a quick Google search on BioShock sales. In June 2008 Take-Two stated that they sold 2,2 million copies of BioShock. Five days later, Nvidia's VP said in an interview that the PC version sold over a million copies.

EDIT: Actually, Take-Two SHIPPED 2,2 million copies which would most likely mean that the PC version made up the majority of the sales. :lol:

read my reply above. 

[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"]

Who cares about how much Gears sold? It's on PC, I don't need an xbox to play it. Period. Also, are you seriously telling me a PC with, say, 1.5GB of ram and a 256MB radeon can't run Gears 1 at XBOX 360 level?

Finally, you know the procedure: you say my link is BS, you need to provide a link yourself or it never happened.

S0lidSnake

Who cares? That's the entire point. It didn't sell well. There is no demand because the non-360 owners didnt flock to it. It sold millions on the 360 = demand on 360. Sales figures on the PC matter. Finding sales figures for PC games is a f*cking pain in the ass and it's pissing off that UIF manages to find the one game on my list that sold well. F*ck! Ok UIF, I was mistaken but only on this one game. An exception I suppose seeing as how it's a PC series. Help me find sales figures for the rest of the games I brought up. Mass Effect, Gears, Splinter Cell because I sure as hell couldnt. 

And I dont know if a Gears 1 can run on the a 256mB radeon whatever. The point is that people didnt seem to care and went with the 360 version. The fact remains that it's not on the PS3 and a PS3 owner would have to purchase a PC $500 or $1000 to play it. That's an extra purchase. An extra $500-$1000. To the PS3 owner, it may as well be an exclusive. Why is this so hard to understand?

I went through this. I wanted to play Gears, Mass Effect, Splinter Cell. But I just couldnt afford a PC on top of a PS3. If those games were on the PS3, I would've played them. But they werent. It's as simple as that. 

As for that report. Sony's latest financials include figures from both PS3 and PS2.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=512076

That's how they take over the Xbox figures. They have merged the two together since last fiscal year.

I dont even know why I am arguing against Sony here. I am Captain f*cking Sony and have been saying for years that the PS3 will one day overtake the 360. And it's going to happen soon, but it hasn't happened yet. 

 Sure, but the fact you couldn't/didn't want to buy a gaming PC and decided to get a 360 instead is your problem. Other people would decide to get a PC (not to mention the tens of millions who already own a gaming PC). Also, you deliberately ignore the fact that PC games sell poorly due to one main fact: piracy. It's so easy to obtain illegal copies of PC games it's not even funny, which obviously impacts sales figures. This doesn't change the fact that a game that's available on multiple platforms is not an exclusive. You can reason all you want on this but the fact doesn't change. As far as PS3 vs 360 sales go, those numbers you posted are confusing at best: PS3 and PS2 figures are bunched together, making it impossible to tell what sold what. What I know is that googling "PS3 sales" always returns the same figures, confirming the PS3 has very recently outsold the 360. Though it's possible that the whole internet is wrong, I suppose. Also, if I had to guess why you're ticked at Sony lately, I'd say you're still butthurt about blowing some $350 on a PS Vita. I'd be pissed too.Black_Knight_00

lol what makes you think I'm upset at Sony? I've been championing their more powerful console in the Orbis vs Durango thread the past couple of days. I love my vita and am always trying to get people to buy it. And btw, I got a Vita for only $230 because Amazon refunded me $20 thinking I had paid for the 4GB memory card they ended up offering for free. Dude I love Sony. What butthurt are you talking about? If Sony f*cks up, and they f*ck up a lot, then I will call them out on it. 

The reason why i wont take those numbers seriously is becasue they are done on some market research. No matter how accurate they may be, why not just get the numbers from Sony and MS themselves? Trust me, when Sony outships MS worldwide, they would make a huge f*cking deal about it. I am guessing we will see some sales figures in the PS meeting next week. That said, I will admit that I was wrong with their being a 5-7 million gap. It's much closer than that. That was a few months ago and Sony closed that gap fast it seems. 

You and I are simply not on the same page as to what constitutes an exclusive. I have said all i can say about this. You dont seem to get where I am coming from. As for me, I think you are too focused on the term exclusive itself. All I know is that I had two choices when it came to playing Mass Effect... buy a $300 Xbox or spend a lot of time and effort buying a $1000 PC. $300 vs $1000. or $300 vs $500 for cheap PC that would play it on low settings. And there in lies the dilema, why go for a low end PC for $500 that would be outdated in only a couple of years when I could just buy a $300 Xbox and play Mass Effect 3 five years later with almost all the bells and whistles of the PC version? 

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[QUOTE="Grammaton-Cleric"]Now I'm not going to claim that all of these exclusives were top tier but let's dispense with the notion that MS didn't offer a healthy does of quality exclusives, even if we can also agree that Sony enjoyed the better overall output.Black_Knight_00

That's a pretty ironic statement coming from somebody who included Heavy Rain as some sort of system-seller exclusive. (And Journey is a cool game but if you think that title is a system-seller you are sorely mistaken)  

And setting aside the original Gears, I think the subsequent Gears sequels (and the upcoming Judgment) warrant the purchase of the console as much as Uncharted or God of War.

And the Crackdown games (especially the original) were fantastic and certainly would have prompted me to nab a console.

The Project Gotham franchise was stellar, as is the Forza series.

The Halo games, while never my favorite, are also as much a killer franchise as anything Sony currently enjoys.

Other games, like DOA4, Banjo, PD0, Viva Piñata, etc. are all very good titles that span a wide breadth of genres.

So you can choose to focus on the mediocre exclusives (because the PS3 certainly didn't have any of those, right HAZE?) but I think my point is pretty clear: The XB360 enjoyed plenty of excellent exclusives, and that is without bringing up issues such as superiority for multiplats, which occasionally led to vastly inferior ports, such as the Orange Box and Bayonetta.  

And again, I give the PS3 the edge when it comes to exclusives but let's give credit where it is due.

I'm with Solid but that is cause I dont have a gaming PC. Nor do I want one.dvader654

[QUOTE="dvader654"]I'm with Solid but that is cause I dont have a gaming PC. Nor do I want one.S0lidSnake

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[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"][QUOTE="Grammaton-Cleric"]Now I'm not going to claim that all of these exclusives were top tier but let's dispense with the notion that MS didn't offer a healthy does of quality exclusives, even if we can also agree that Sony enjoyed the better overall output.Grammaton-Cleric

That's a pretty ironic statement coming from somebody who included Heavy Rain as some sort of system-seller exclusive. (And Journey is a cool game but if you think that title is a system-seller you are sorely mistaken)  

And setting aside the original Gears, I think the subsequent Gears sequels (and the upcoming Judgment) warrant the purchase of the console as much as Uncharted or God of War.

And the Crackdown games (especially the original) were fantastic and certainly would have prompted me to nab a console.

The Project Gotham franchise was stellar, as is the Forza series.

The Halo games, while never my favorite, are also as much a killer franchise as anything Sony currently enjoys.

Other games, like DOA4, Banjo, PD0, Viva Piñata, etc. are all very good titles that span a wide breadth of genres.

So you can choose to focus on the mediocre exclusives (because the PS3 certainly didn't have any of those, right HAZE?) but I think my point is pretty clear: The XB360 enjoyed plenty of excellent exclusives, and that is without bringing up issues such as superiority for multiplats, which occasionally led to vastly inferior ports, such as the Orange Box and Bayonetta.  

And again, I give the PS3 the edge when it comes to exclusives but let's give credit where it is due.

Alan Wake, Condemned, there are a few good MS exclusives.GodModeEnabled

[QUOTE="GodModeEnabled"]Alan Wake, Condemned, there are a few good MS exclusives.Black_Knight_00

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[QUOTE="GodModeEnabled"]Alan Wake, Condemned, there are a few good MS exclusives.GodModeEnabled

Im just saying man that if I was in your situation and I was scoping out which console to buy then one of the things I would look at is exclusives. If you dont own a gaming PC, arent interested in the scene at all, then the fact that a couple of those exclusives are on the PC shouldnt mean sh1t to you. So they are exclusive to you is all im saying.GodModeEnabled

[QUOTE="GodModeEnabled"]Im just saying man that if I was in your situation and I was scoping out which console to buy then one of the things I would look at is exclusives. If you dont own a gaming PC, arent interested in the scene at all, then the fact that a couple of those exclusives are on the PC shouldnt mean sh1t to you. So they are exclusive to you is all im saying.Black_Knight_00

lol no. They cant. Building a PC is NOT easy. I majored in Computer Engineer with a focus on electrical engineering and a programming minor, and I can tell you nothing about it is easy. Even if you can assemble everything without blowing up the motherboard, getting windows installed with these custom parts can be a pain in the ass. I would know, i spent nearly two days trying to get everything to work. And then two weeks later the graphics card failed and had to be replaced. Wanna know how long it took me to connect my Xbox? Two minutes. Plug in HDMI, plug in Ethernet, Plug in power source and that's it.

[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"][QUOTE="GodModeEnabled"]Im just saying man that if I was in your situation and I was scoping out which console to buy then one of the things I would look at is exclusives. If you dont own a gaming PC, arent interested in the scene at all, then the fact that a couple of those exclusives are on the PC shouldnt mean sh1t to you. So they are exclusive to you is all im saying.S0lidSnake

lol no. They cant. Building a PC is NOT easy. I majored in Computer Engineer with a focus on electrical engineering and a programming minor, and I can tell you nothing about it is easy. Even if you can assemble everything without blowing up the motherboard, getting windows installed with these custom parts can be a pain in the ass. I would know, i spent nearly two days trying to get everything to work. And then two weeks later the graphics card failed and had to be replaced. Wanna know how long it took me to connect my Xbox? Two minutes. Plug in HDMI, plug in Ethernet, Plug in power source and that's it.

Heavy Rain is a fantastic game, I don't see how you can have a problem with it. Gears and Halo: sure, they're all great (mostly), but Gears 2 and 3 are virtually identical to 1 and every Halo is pretty much a rehash of Halo 2. I love them all, but creativity levels are at absolute zero, though I haven't played 4 yet. DOA4 is a mediocre fighting game in my opinion, Banjo Nuts&Bolts is anything but a Banjo game, PD0 is quite frankly a mess (it appears on every "most disappointing sequel" list that there is) , Viva Piñata is... whatever it is. I'm stupefied you even decide to name *these* games to back up your point. Also. racing games, sure... I doubt Gran Turismo players are ripping their hair in despair because they can't play the latest re-release of Forza. And it's no use looking at Haze or Lair for help: we're not trying to detemine which system has the worst exclusives. We're discussing whether or not the xbox 360 today has system-selling "must play" exclusives that are not available anywhere else. After considering your argumentation, I'm still leaning towards "no"Black_Knight_00

So now you want to reduce the issue to games you personally think are system sellers?

I responded to your initial comment about "most" XB360 exclusives being available on PC and proved, definitively, that was untrue. Whether or not you personally like a series is incidental because franchises like Halo and Gears sell millions of units and are the very definition of a system seller.

And please don't waste my time with banal arguments about Gears or Halo sequels being rehashes when you can levy that exact same criticism at franchises like God of War and Uncharted.

And Heavy Rain isn't a game, it's a wannabe film (with an atrociously poorly written narrative) replete with a smattering or perfunctory (and vapid) game play mechanics hiding under the thin veil of nice production values.

So now you want to reduce the issue to games you personally think are system sellers? I responded to your initial comment about "most" XB360 exclusives being available on PC and proved, definitively, that was untrue. Whether or not you personally like a series is incidental because franchises like Halo and Gears sell millions of units and are the very definition of a system seller. And please don't waste my time with banal arguments about Gears or Halo sequels being rehashes when you can levy that exact same criticism at franchises like God of War and Uncharted. And Heavy Rain isn't a game, it's a wannabe film (with an atrociously poorly written narrative) replete with a smattering or perfunctory (and vapid) game play mechanics hiding under the thin veil of nice production values.Grammaton-Cleric

Also your critique of Heavy Rain is the very essence of subjectivity. Sure, the controls are clunky, but saying it's not even a game betrays how biased you are towards it.

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[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"] Yeah, but we're not talking about some unreachable gaming machine: any gamer can build a decent gaming PCBlack_Knight_00

lol no. They cant. Building a PC is NOT easy. I majored in Computer Engineer with a focus on electrical engineering and a programming minor, and I can tell you nothing about it is easy. Even if you can assemble everything without blowing up the motherboard, getting windows installed with these custom parts can be a pain in the ass. I would know, i spent nearly two days trying to get everything to work. And then two weeks later the graphics card failed and had to be replaced. Wanna know how long it took me to connect my Xbox? Two minutes. Plug in HDMI, plug in Ethernet, Plug in power source and that's it.