Kojima confirms Metal Gear Solid 5. Shameus on suicide watch.

[QUOTE="Shame-usBlackley"]

LOL!

I will say that historically, the odd-numbered MGS games were awesome (Solid, Snake Eater), which means there is at least a slight chance that this will be good. However, the last game was so mind-numbingly awful from a narrative perspective that I just don't see this happening at all. There are better stealth games and better shooters to play, making MGS4 completely worthless in my book since the story sucked. It's obvious Kojima wishes to become a western designer -- I would not be surprised to see him affix himself the nickname Hideo K, slapping a chainsaw on the end of Snake's gun and stop trying to tell a story entirely for MGS5, and honestly, that would probably be for the best.

The news doesn't really bother or surprise me, though. I knew as soon as I played MGS4 that Kojima himself is a franchise, made to be trotted out every couple of years when Konami starts to run out of money since they have, like, zero legitimately decent franchises left to mine. The whole shtick with Kojima solemnly professing "this is the end" after each iteration has become more predictable than Hulk Hogan holding his hand up after being put in a sleeper hold at a wrestling match. I learned my lesson with MGS4 and I wouldn't touch a sequel if it were shareware, let alone sixty bills. If other people want to buy so they have proof instead of just suspicion that the series finally became porcelain god-fodder, that's their problem, not mine. There are too many good games to play these days for me to worry about what a once-was like Hideo Kojima farts out every few years. :P

dvader654

Probably. :P

I would have been interested if they had trotted him off to do something new and let a new team make and write MGS5, since that's not the case LOL PASS. GodModeEnabled

Kojima was working on his taboo game till late last year when it got cancelled. Chances are it was probably a disturbing Japanese game about japanese school girls and their dirty panties.

So it's probably a good thing that it got cancelled.

[QUOTE="GodModeEnabled"]I would have been interested if they had trotted him off to do something new and let a new team make and write MGS5, since that's not the case LOL PASS. S0lidSnake

Kojima was working on his taboo game till late last year when it got cancelled. Chances are it was probably a disturbing Japanese game about japanese school girls and their dirty panties.

So it's probably a good thing that it got cancelled.

[QUOTE="GodModeEnabled"]I would have been interested if they had trotted him off to do something new and let a new team make and write MGS5, since that's not the case LOL PASS. S0lidSnake

Kojima was working on his taboo game till late last year when it got cancelled. Chances are it was probably a disturbing Japanese game about japanese school girls and their dirty panties.

So it's probably a good thing that it got cancelled.

[QUOTE="BranKetra"][QUOTE="Metamania"]

One of the things I hope MGS 5 continues its tradition on is not only an excellent cast of voice actors, but a soundtrack that's pretty memorable. I wasn't too big on the MGS 2 soundtrack, but the original Metal Gear Solid had such an amazing score accompaning the gamplay in itself. I still have memories of the boss theme, for example. The entire soundtrack was orchestrated brillantly and fit the game's atmosphere quite well, so I hope they continue this in MGS 5 and hopefully in Rising as well.

Metamania

But I wouldn't take the rants that Kojima makes in his games seriously though. That's just his way of thinking about these subjects, like DNA and all that stuff. I will say that their views on the real world are interesting nonetheless.

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The only way I will buy another MGS is if its completely new characters and its back to some of the quirkiness and sillyness of an MGS game. No more serious war crap. I would be happiest though if he just left MGS alone seen as every one of them seems to be his last according to him :roll: He's a 1 trick pony these days

No more serious war crap.seanmcloughlin

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Angry_Beaver

:lol: This announcement is like when Michael Jordan retired and then came back. If you say you're going to end a series, then end it. TBH, this announcement does nothing for me. If Kojima brings back Solid Snake again, it kinda ruins everything that happened in MGS4. The story was already messed up after MGS2, no need to tarnish it further.

And I totally expect Kojima to give us more useless information. That's kinda his thing. :P

EDIT: Shameus, tell us how much you love Kojima's explanation of Ocelot's personality change. :P He was such an awesome character in MGS1 and 3... :(

[QUOTE="Angry_Beaver"]

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King9999

:lol: This announcement is like when Michael Jordan retired and then came back. If you say you're going to end a series, then end it. TBH, this announcement does nothing for me. If Kojima brings back Solid Snake again, it kinda ruins everything that happened in MGS4. The story was already messed up after MGS2, no need to tarnish it further.

And I totally expect Kojima to give us more useless information. That's kinda his thing. :P

EDIT: Shameus, tell us how much you love Kojima's explanation of Ocelot's personality change. :P He was such an awesome character in MGS1 and 3... :(

Everyone loves The Boss and Solid Snake, but my favorite character in the MGS universe is Young Ocelot from Snake Eater. He's an arrogant cocky bastard, but there is this sense of mystery about him through out the game that keeps you guessing. The fact that he's revealed to be [spoiler] the son of the boss [/spoiler] made him even more awesome.

[QUOTE="King9999"]

[QUOTE="Angry_Beaver"]

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S0lidSnake

:lol: This announcement is like when Michael Jordan retired and then came back. If you say you're going to end a series, then end it. TBH, this announcement does nothing for me. If Kojima brings back Solid Snake again, it kinda ruins everything that happened in MGS4. The story was already messed up after MGS2, no need to tarnish it further.

And I totally expect Kojima to give us more useless information. That's kinda his thing. :P

EDIT: Shameus, tell us how much you love Kojima's explanation of Ocelot's personality change. :P He was such an awesome character in MGS1 and 3... :(

Everyone loves The Boss and Solid Snake, but my favorite character in the MGS universe is Young Ocelot from Snake Eater. He's an arrogant cocky bastard, but there is this sense of mystery about him through out the game that keeps you guessing. The fact that he's revealed to be ************ made him even more awesome.

WTF man spoilers. There's people playing those games for the first time with the remake. SteelAttack

well f***!

Sorry, though in my defense, it's a 7 year old game and we are in a thread about the sequel to its sequel.

[QUOTE="King9999"]

[QUOTE="Angry_Beaver"]

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S0lidSnake

:lol: This announcement is like when Michael Jordan retired and then came back. If you say you're going to end a series, then end it. TBH, this announcement does nothing for me. If Kojima brings back Solid Snake again, it kinda ruins everything that happened in MGS4. The story was already messed up after MGS2, no need to tarnish it further.

And I totally expect Kojima to give us more useless information. That's kinda his thing. :P

EDIT: Shameus, tell us how much you love Kojima's explanation of Ocelot's personality change. :P He was such an awesome character in MGS1 and 3... :(

Everyone loves The Boss and Solid Snake, but my favorite character in the MGS universe is Young Ocelot from Snake Eater. He's an arrogant cocky bastard, but there is this sense of mystery about him through out the game that keeps you guessing. The fact that he's revealed to be********** made him even more awesome.

He's what now? Where do you find this out? I've played all the games besides the original Metal Gear games, those card games and Peacewalker, and I've never heard that. I'm guessing you find out in Peacewalker.

BranKetra

[spoiler] Nope, in Snake Eater, if you call Eva right after the Ocelot boss fight when you jump in the caves, she tells you that Ocelot's mother was a highly decorated soldier and so was his father. The Boss later tells Big Boss that she gave birth to a boy on a battlefield during WWII. Ocelot is 19 during the events of Snake Eater 1964. [/spoiler]

I hope we stick with Old Snake. Perhaps this will focus on the geriatric superspy's heroic struggle with his prostate.

A war fought in the shadows. A war fought alone. A war fought against an enemy that feels like it's the size of a ****ing paperback book.

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[QUOTE="BranKetra"]

He's what now? Where do you find this out? I've played all the games besides the original Metal Gear games, those card games and Peacewalker, and I've never heard that. I'm guessing you find out in Peacewalker.

S0lidSnake

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All this talk of Metal Gear in this thread has made me decide to pick up the HD collection for my birthday in December, along with Deus EX HR. Since the MGS games are officially going to be multiplatform (then again, seeing this in a official confirmation link of sorts would be nice please), now is a good time to catch up with the series. I just hope that, someday, MGS 1 and MGS 4 arrive on other systems as well. To this day, Metal Gear Solid 1 is still my favorite in the series and to see it remade exclusively for a Nintendo system, while cool, is a bit disappointing, since other people out there cannot play it. And I know what you guys are going to say..."Just get yourself a Wii or a GC and a copy of the game and you'll be set." I'd rather have it all in one collection than own them all seperately...

my birthday in DecemberMetamania

I hope we stick with Old Snake. Perhaps this will focus on the geriatric superspy's heroic struggle with his prostate.

A war fought in the shadows. A war fought alone. A war fought against an enemy that feels like it's the size of a ****ing paperback book.

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Business_Fun

lol, I actually wouldn't be surprised if Kojima made Depends a useable item in the game.

[QUOTE="Metamania"]my birthday in DecemberBlack_Knight_00

:lol: Horrible, but true! :D

Good. I think 4 is an odd number to finish a series on. Either leave it at 3, or go for 5.

Hopefully we wont be playing as Raiden, and the stealth elements will be back in a better way.

Good. I think 4 is an odd number to finish a series on. Either leave it at 3, or go for 5.

Hopefully we wont be playing as Raiden, and the stealth elements will be back in a better way.

TJORLY

That's one thing I never understood. The majority of fans and gamers alike never liked Raiden enough and always hated him. Why is that? He's just another character in the MGS universe to me. Why did people not like Raiden all that much? Will they not like him as much again because he's going to be starring in his own game, MGS Rising?

That's one thing I never understood. The majority of fans and gamers alike never liked Raiden enough and always hated him. Why is that? He's just another character in the MGS universe to me. Why did people not like Raiden all that much? Will they not like him as much again because he's going to be starring in his own game, MGS Rising?Metamania

[QUOTE="Metamania"]That's one thing I never understood. The majority of fans and gamers alike never liked Raiden enough and always hated him. Why is that? He's just another character in the MGS universe to me. Why did people not like Raiden all that much? Will they not like him as much again because he's going to be starring in his own game, MGS Rising?silentexistence

Weren't you able to play as Snake later on in MGS 2? I remember watching footage of it, so since that's the case, why complain about Raiden's presence as much?

Weren't you able to play as Snake later on in MGS 2? I remember watching footage of it, so since that's the case, why complain about Raiden's presence as much?Metamania

[QUOTE="silentexistence"][QUOTE="Metamania"]That's one thing I never understood. The majority of fans and gamers alike never liked Raiden enough and always hated him. Why is that? He's just another character in the MGS universe to me. Why did people not like Raiden all that much? Will they not like him as much again because he's going to be starring in his own game, MGS Rising?Metamania

Weren't you able to play as Snake later on in MGS 2? I remember watching footage of it, so since that's the case, why complain about Raiden's presence as much?

Haha, exactly.

I didn't have a huge problem with Raiden, but that's mainly because MGS2 was my first MGS game. Still, he was quite unbelievable, and his girlfriend was annoying.

[QUOTE="Metamania"]That's one thing I never understood. The majority of fans and gamers alike never liked Raiden enough and always hated him. Why is that? He's just another character in the MGS universe to me. Why did people not like Raiden all that much? Will they not like him as much again because he's going to be starring in his own game, MGS Rising?silentexistence

[QUOTE="Metamania"]

[QUOTE="silentexistence"] It's probably because while everyone was eager to play as Snake in MGS2, they were instead forced to go through the majority of the game controlling a character being almost the exact opposite of Snake: a never-before-seen, easily manipulated whiny rookie. I don't like Raiden's MGS2 incarnation much myself, but he redeemed himself in MGS4 in my eyes.Black_Knight_00

Weren't you able to play as Snake later on in MGS 2? I remember watching footage of it, so since that's the case, why complain about Raiden's presence as much?

[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"][QUOTE="Metamania"]

Weren't you able to play as Snake later on in MGS 2? I remember watching footage of it, so since that's the case, why complain about Raiden's presence as much?

BranKetra

That's a bit ironic, considering the entire plot of all of MGS 1,2, and 4 [spoiler] comes down to Snake being manipulated by someone or a group [/spoiler] . Snake complains, too. The difference is that he isn't a rookie. The logic behind this doesn't make sense to me.BranKetra

In the end, most people who disliked Raiden in MGS2 were just sore they didn't get to play as Snake for the whole game, so they settled with finding faults with his not-so-stellar replacement instead.silentexistence

If you're going to replace the main character everyone loves (Metal Gear protagonist since 1987), at least don't tease him as a playable character before throwing the curveball.Black_Knight_00

[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"]If you're going to replace the main character everyone loves (Metal Gear protagonist since 1987), at least don't tease him as a playable character before throwing the curveball.silentexistence

I think we nailed it: the reason why fans snort at MGS2 is that cool prologue. It's like going out for dinner with a charming woman, then after appetizers she up and leaves leaving her less interesting friend to keep you company. Now this second woman may be all you want but the comparison with the former will inevitably leave you disappointed.Black_Knight_00

great news! lets celebrate!

I must be the odd ball out because i like MGS2, it's probably my favorite in the series. Now on the my main point where is ZoE 3 Kojima, 2 is such an awesome game I've been wanting a sequel ever since i first played it.

@"Black_Knight_00" That doesn't mean it was her, though. Then again, I guess they had to get the personality from somewhere.

Point taken. Thing is, though, that Snake was pretty much established in the first game, where everyone got used to his character - a serious, experienced soldier focused on his mission. Fast forward to MGS2, where we got a new face who was hassled by his relationship issues throughout an important mission. Snake complains, but he doesn't whine. Matters aren't helped by Raiden being a little more effeminate than most, so quite a few people tend to be quick to dismiss him as a pansy seeing how he isn't as badass as Snake. In the end, most people who disliked Raiden in MGS2 were just sore they didn't get to play as Snake for the whole game, so they settled with finding faults with his not-so-stellar replacement instead.silentexistence

I must be the odd ball out because i like MGS2, it's probably my favorite in the series. Now on the my main point where is ZoE 3 Kojima, 2 is such an awesome game I've been wanting a sequel ever since i first played it.

killeer2007

@"Black_Knight_00" That doesn't mean it was her, though. Then again, I guess they had to get the personality from somewhere.

[QUOTE="silentexistence"] Point taken. Thing is, though, that Snake was pretty much established in the first game, where everyone got used to his character - a serious, experienced soldier focused on his mission. Fast forward to MGS2, where we got a new face who was hassled by his relationship issues throughout an important mission. Snake complains, but he doesn't whine. Matters aren't helped by Raiden being a little more effeminate than most, so quite a few people tend to be quick to dismiss him as a pansy seeing how he isn't as badass as Snake. In the end, most people who disliked Raiden in MGS2 were just sore they didn't get to play as Snake for the whole game, so they settled with finding faults with his not-so-stellar replacement instead.BranKetra

I must be the odd ball out because i like MGS2, it's probably my favorite in the series. Now on the my main point where is ZoE 3 Kojima, 2 is such an awesome game I've been wanting a sequel ever since i first played it.

killeer2007

Yeah, Snake isn't a whiner. He's more like a man's man. :)

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@"Black_Knight_00" That doesn't mean it was her, though. Then again, I guess they had to get the personality from somewhere.

[QUOTE="silentexistence"] True. I wouldn't really call Snake a whiner. You're probably right about the reasoning behind hating Raiden, too. Regardless, I didn't mind it as much as most. [QUOTE="killeer2007"]

I must be the odd ball out because i like MGS2, it's probably my favorite in the series. Now on the my main point where is ZoE 3 Kojima, 2 is such an awesome game I've been wanting a sequel ever since i first played it.

Metamania

Yeah, Snake isn't a whiner. He's more like a man's man. :)

I still think Raiden being the star of MGS2 was the best kept secret in the history of gaming. Not even reviews were allowed to mention it. Every preview only showed snake. Think about that, the entire game was kept hidden from us until the day of release.dvader654

I like how they created entire cutscenes with Snake (harrier fight on the George Washington Bridge and showed Snake fighting in the boss fights isntead of Raiden. :P