I see Dragon Age 3 and GTA V failing for some reason.

Seems over hyped games end up a dissapointment these days.  Dragon Age 3 I can see being just a smidge better than 2, GTA V I see not doing so hot. I don't know why. Just a feeling. Also if DA 3 flops, I have a feeling EA will put the bullet in Bioware and say boopity flip flappity gumbo chops on the way out.

I think you're very wrong on that prediction. GTA 5 will be the biggest game of the year and Dragon Age 3 will be just fine.

Like every Grand Theft Auto game before it, Grand Theft Auto V will once again redefine open-world action games.

We don't know absolutely anything about Dragon Age III so it's impossible to tell. We can just hope that it'll be closer to the brilliance of the first game.

I'm sure GTA V will sell a billion copies even if they just put a dried up old turd in the box.  9.5+ score from Gamespot 100% guaranteed.

DA3 may be good, or it may get turned into some perfunctory single player campaign with a big online thing and sell worse than the previous  two games.  EA would cancel the franchise while vehemently denying that they're doing any such thing. 

Like every Grand Theft Auto game before it, Grand Theft Auto V will once again redefine open-world action games.

We don't know absolutely anything about Dragon Age III so it's impossible to tell. We can just hope that it'll be closer to the brilliance of the first game.

UpInFlames

I definitely don't see GTAV failing, and I haven't seen enough on Dragon Age 3 to make an accurate prediction.

There's no way that GTA V is going to fail. Rockstar knows what they're doing. As for DA3, I do have that back of the mind feeling that it won't do that great, but we would have to see more.

Dragon Age 3 may not do good, but GTAV will sell millions on it's name alone.

Eh, San Adreas did, but GTA IV redefined very little. It's pretty to look at, but suffered a downgrade in contentBlack_Knight_00

Rockstar doesn't shovel in content for the hell of it. That's the easy route. They deliberately took a step back to redefine the basics. The shooting and the driving mechanics were completely overhauled. As were the physics and the animations. The design was meticulous, Liberty City is one of the best and most immersive open worlds ever created. Rockstar also cares about what kind of content fits a particular game. Grand Theft Auto IV's theme was rooted in realism, it had a rather somber tone, so I definitely didn't miss or want stuff like jetpacks and skydiving. It's because of that level of self-control and obsessive attention to detail why I respect Rockstar so much.

GTA V will either be the exact same as GTA IV or be even better. Either way it won't flop.

Dragon Age 3 i've seen nothin of so i don't know. Hopefully it'll go back to more of the Dragon Age 1 roots.

[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"]Eh, San Adreas did, but GTA IV redefined very little. It's pretty to look at, but suffered a downgrade in contentUpInFlames

Rockstar doesn't shovel in content for the hell of it. That's the easy route. They deliberately took a step back to redefine the basics. The shooting and the driving mechanics were completely overhauled. As were the physics and the animations. The design was meticulous, Liberty City is one of the best and most immersive open worlds ever created. Rockstar also cares about what kind of content fits a particular game. Grand Theft Auto IV's theme was rooted in realism, it had a rather somber tone, so I definitely didn't miss or want stuff like jetpacks and skydiving. It's because of that level of self-control and obsessive attention to detail why I respect Rockstar so much.

Mmm, now that you people mention it, I forgot the Red Dead studio was helping as well. Red Dead Redemption is really the only Rockstar game I could replay and liked A LOT. So maybe it will do well. Dragon Age III......yeah. Bioware and the number 3 don't get a long that well. Mass Effect 3 was decent, but 1 and 2 blow it away.

I've never liked the GTA series but I seriously doubt that that the game won't do wellLegolas_Katarn

GTA V will no doubt be the biggest and best game of 2013. Dragon Age 3 will do just fine. MonoSilver

[QUOTE="MonoSilver"]GTA V will no doubt be the biggest and best game of 2013. Dragon Age 3 will do just fine. CecilChups

Regardless of some of Dragon Age 2's short-comings I think Bioware will learn from it and come back fully with an awesome third installment. I'm really looking forward to it.

GTAV is going to do just fine. The things Rockstar has done this generation only reinforces that. 

[QUOTE="Legolas_Katarn"]I've never liked the GTA series but I seriously doubt that that the game won't do wellCecilChups

[QUOTE="Legolas_Katarn"]I've never liked the GTA series but I seriously doubt that that the game won't do wellCecilChups

[QUOTE="UpInFlames"]

[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"]Eh, San Adreas did, but GTA IV redefined very little. It's pretty to look at, but suffered a downgrade in contentBlack_Knight_00

Rockstar doesn't shovel in content for the hell of it. That's the easy route. They deliberately took a step back to redefine the basics. The shooting and the driving mechanics were completely overhauled. As were the physics and the animations. The design was meticulous, Liberty City is one of the best and most immersive open worlds ever created. Rockstar also cares about what kind of content fits a particular game. Grand Theft Auto IV's theme was rooted in realism, it had a rather somber tone, so I definitely didn't miss or want stuff like jetpacks and skydiving. It's because of that level of self-control and obsessive attention to detail why I respect Rockstar so much.

It wasn't merely a matter of realism; GTAIV was a necessary overhaul of the entire construct.

I understand that some people really disliked the step back in content from GTA:SA to GTAIV but personally I think what we received in trade was a much higher level of quality gameplay.

The fantastic news is that GTAV is looking to give us enough content to eclipse San Andreas while refining the excellent core of GTAIV.

Realism doesn't excuse lack of content: the lack of variety in clothes for one, the absence of barber shops, gyms, food which is just a medpack instead of having an impact on the character body like in San Andreas. They had to resort to the NPC calling you on the phone to have you go to bars and bowling alleys and play minigames instead of drawing you there with meaniningful rewards like San Andreas did. Also noticeable is the removal of airplanes despite having assault helicopters parked unguarded at the airport. No more bycicles either. What I agree with is that the city looks fantastic even by today's standards: the people, lighting, random events all contribute to making it feel alive and believable. Still, GTA V will have to bring variety back in order to catch my attention and if that means sacrificing a bit of realism and go back to the tongue-in-cheek approach, so be it.Black_Knight_00

I didn't miss any of that stuff, I barely even did it in San Andreas. Honestly, airplanes and bicycles don't make any sense to me in Grand Theft Auto IV. And that's my point. Rockstar chooses what makes sense the most. They did the same thing with Grand Theft Auto III, totally scaled it back and did something completely different. Property made sense in Vice City, but they removed it in San Andreas. They went over-the-top again in The Ballad of Gay Tony. Grand Theft Auto IV had content, you just didn't like it. They remove and add new stuff for each installment based on what they're trying to accomplish, that's why each game is so different. I totally respect them for that.

Hyperbole aside, I'm betting that GTAV will end up being one of the very best games ever made.

The game is looking to enjoy a hearty dose of refinement along with some pretty innovative concepts.

I can definitely see Dragon Age 3 tanking. 

I'm willing to bet GTAV outsells this years Call of Duty though. Everything I've seen from V honestly looks amazing.

i don't know how we are measuring failure for GTAV. do i think it will be a good game? absolutely not. however, it's going sell a ton of copies because it's a GTA game, it will have the rockstar logo on the cover, and there will be tons of commercials. it will also likely be received well by the media, going by rockstar developed games of the generation.

same with DAIII. i don't know if it will be a good game, although bioware claims to be aiming for a new direction with level design (after having pretty much the same basic setup for every game's level design since KotOR) so it could fly or crash. as for sales, the DA games have sold well in the past (just not as well as a GTA game) but it will be interesting, or more likely frustrating, to see how bioware fans react after the ME3 ending. i personally plan to at least wait a few weeks in fear of bioware making any big changes. as for critical reception, DAI got rave reviews and DAII got a positive reaction with a lot of the critiques being skin deep.

i don't know how we are measuring failure for GTAV. do i think it will be a good game? absolutely not. however, it's going sell a ton of copies because it's a GTA game, it will have the rockstar logo on the cover, and there will be tons of commercials. it will also likely be received well by the media, going by rockstar developed games of the generation.

LoG-Sacrament

I'm not certain what your derision and hatred of Rockstar is predicated on but speaking for myself I will state emphatically that the Rockstar logo means a great deal to me because as a publisher and developer they have released some of the very best games ever made, many of them during this generation.

LA Noir was probably the weakest game they published and it still offered some incredibly unique and divergent gameplay mechanics.

To this day, GTAIV contains elements unmatched in open world gaming, despite being released in 2009.

Red Dead Redemption was a perfect distillation of the western mythos replete with excellent shooting and horse-riding mechanics and an expansive landscape that managed to authentically capture the inevitable isolation necessitated by being a frontiersman.

Max Payne 3 is probably the best pure TPS ever made and the physics included in that game, along with some frightening good AI, ensures that no shootout ever plays the same way twice.

And GTAV looks to be flatly one of the most innovative games of this generation; the ability to swap playable protagonists on the fly, seamlessly, is unlike anything we've been privy to in an open-world construct.

Of course I'm not asserting you must like their games but I think the notion that GTAV will sell simply because of the brand in disingenuous. I've been playing games long enough to be able to astutely categorize quality developers and publishers and Rockstar is most certainly top tier, as evidenced by their output.  

[QUOTE="UpInFlames"]

Like every Grand Theft Auto game before it, Grand Theft Auto V will once again redefine open-world action games.

We don't know absolutely anything about Dragon Age III so it's impossible to tell. We can just hope that it'll be closer to the brilliance of the first game.

Black_Knight_00

Not just in content, but there was PLENTY of flaws that made GTA IV NOT a perfect game, like a lot of fans and just about every gaming critic pan it to be. The driving mechanics are pretty bad, some of the missions weren't fun BECAUSE of the driving (especially when you go into long chases, only for your car to not adjust the way you want it to, you end up crashing and are forced to restart the mission all over again), the "taking out Roman or whoever" games left little to no rewards in the end, etc. It's flaws like those that made me go "Yeah, GTA IV is not a perfect game." And yet, it got 10s because it was GTA. Stupid, pathetic thinking if you ask me. GTA V better raise the bar a lot more and be A LOT better than GTA IV.

I think it's highly unlikely GTA V is going to fail. There are going to be people who will be dissappointed for whatever reason, like with GTA 4 because it wasn't San Andreas 2, and people who don't care about the series in general. But just like GTA 4, it will be an incredible game without question. Rockstar has earned their reputation as a top tier developer by not rushing their products, listening to their fans, providing games with a lot of value for the money, and not being afraid to push the envelope in the medium.

Dragon Age 3 and EA on the other hand are the exact opposite of everything I just said about Rockstar.

[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"][QUOTE="UpInFlames"]

Like every Grand Theft Auto game before it, Grand Theft Auto V will once again redefine open-world action games.

We don't know absolutely anything about Dragon Age III so it's impossible to tell. We can just hope that it'll be closer to the brilliance of the first game.

Metamania

Not just in content, but there was PLENTY of flaws that made GTA IV NOT a perfect game, like a lot of fans and just about every gaming critic pan it to be. The driving mechanics are pretty bad, some of the missions weren't fun BECAUSE of the driving (especially when you go into long chases, only for your car to not adjust the way you want it to, you end up crashing and are forced to restart the mission all over again), the "taking out Roman or whoever" games left little to no rewards in the end, etc. It's flaws like those that made me go "Yeah, GTA IV is not a perfect game." And yet, it got 10s because it was GTA. Stupid, pathetic thinking if you ask me. GTA V better raise the bar a lot more and be A LOT better than GTA IV.

I didn't miss any of that stuff, I barely even did it in San Andreas.UpInFlames

The fantastic news is that GTAV is looking to give us enough content to eclipse San Andreas while refining the excellent core of GTAIV.Grammaton-Cleric

[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"][QUOTE="UpInFlames"]

Like every Grand Theft Auto game before it, Grand Theft Auto V will once again redefine open-world action games.

We don't know absolutely anything about Dragon Age III so it's impossible to tell. We can just hope that it'll be closer to the brilliance of the first game.

Metamania

Not just in content, but there was PLENTY of flaws that made GTA IV NOT a perfect game, like a lot of fans and just about every gaming critic pan it to be. The driving mechanics are pretty bad, some of the missions weren't fun BECAUSE of the driving (especially when you go into long chases, only for your car to not adjust the way you want it to, you end up crashing and are forced to restart the mission all over again), the "taking out Roman or whoever" games left little to no rewards in the end, etc. It's flaws like those that made me go "Yeah, GTA IV is not a perfect game." And yet, it got 10s because it was GTA. Stupid, pathetic thinking if you ask me. GTA V better raise the bar a lot more and be A LOT better than GTA IV.

I really doubt either would do badly... especially Grand Theft Auto V. I don't think Rockstar Games knows how to fail... even if they deliberately tried to flop a game, it would still be awesome.

GTA4 did leave a sour taste in a number of games including me. Not because of the remove content but with the boringness of the setting and pain it was to drive around that city.

I wnjoy DA2 more that the first game. DAO follow Bioware's stander story telling method. I am become sick of the main story stopping to the bulk of the game can be in side story to gather up the MacGuffins. Bioware overall stories are never that good but DA2 was better and seem to take a more real look at the story.

[QUOTE="LoG-Sacrament"]

i don't know how we are measuring failure for GTAV. do i think it will be a good game? absolutely not. however, it's going sell a ton of copies because it's a GTA game, it will have the rockstar logo on the cover, and there will be tons of commercials. it will also likely be received well by the media, going by rockstar developed games of the generation.

Grammaton-Cleric

I'm not certain what your derision and hatred of Rockstar is predicated on but speaking for myself I will state emphatically that the Rockstar logo means a great deal to me because as a publisher and developer they have released some of the very best games ever made, many of them during this generation.

LA Noir was probably the weakest game they published and it still offered some incredibly unique and divergent gameplay mechanics.

To this day, GTAIV contains elements unmatched in open world gaming, despite being released in 2009.

Red Dead Redemption was a perfect distillation of the western mythos replete with excellent shooting and horse-riding mechanics and an expansive landscape that managed to authentically capture the inevitable isolation necessitated by being a frontiersman.

Max Payne 3 is probably the best pure TPS ever made and the physics included in that game, along with some frightening good AI, ensures that no shootout ever plays the same way twice.

And GTAV looks to be flatly one of the most innovative games of this generation; the ability to swap playable protagonists on the fly, seamlessly, is unlike anything we've been privy to in an open-world construct.

Of course I'm not asserting you must like their games but I think the notion that GTAV will sell simply because of the brand in disingenuous. I've been playing games long enough to be able to astutely categorize quality developers and publishers and Rockstar is most certainly top tier, as evidenced by their output.  

i'm not saying it's a bad thing that the rockstar logo pushes copies. i'm not even saying there isn't a rockstar published game i don't like a lot ( for the record, i think LA noire is a great game even if i have some issues with it ). nintendo has made some of my favorite games of all time so they are a special developer/publisher to me, but i can recognize that the mark of a "nintendo game" is enough to push sales by itself. honestly, i think it's a good thing when gamer tastes move away from franchises and more towards the creators even if i'm not a fan of those creators.

as for why i don't like rockstar as a whole, i have a user review of RDR up here. honestly, i think it's one of my weakest reviews and i'd be more critical of it if i rewrote the thing today, but i stand by the broader points. i still have to stomach my way through the rest GTAIV but i expect to eventually write a full review when i do.

Not just in content, but there was PLENTY of flaws that made GTA IV NOT a perfect game, like a lot of fans and just about every gaming critic pan it to be. The driving mechanics are pretty bad, some of the missions weren't fun BECAUSE of the driving (especially when you go into long chases, only for your car to not adjust the way you want it to, you end up crashing and are forced to restart the mission all over again), the "taking out Roman or whoever" games left little to no rewards in the end, etc. It's flaws like those that made me go "Yeah, GTA IV is not a perfect game." And yet, it got 10s because it was GTA. Stupid, pathetic thinking if you ask me. GTA V better raise the bar a lot more and be A LOT better than GTA IV.Metamania

[QUOTE="Metamania"]Not just in content, but there was PLENTY of flaws that made GTA IV NOT a perfect game, like a lot of fans and just about every gaming critic pan it to be. The driving mechanics are pretty bad, some of the missions weren't fun BECAUSE of the driving (especially when you go into long chases, only for your car to not adjust the way you want it to, you end up crashing and are forced to restart the mission all over again), the "taking out Roman or whoever" games left little to no rewards in the end, etc. It's flaws like those that made me go "Yeah, GTA IV is not a perfect game." And yet, it got 10s because it was GTA. Stupid, pathetic thinking if you ask me. GTA V better raise the bar a lot more and be A LOT better than GTA IV.Black_Knight_00

I enjoy the driving the cars in GTAIV but I hated the roads. They were just the worse to drive in. Storywise it is no where near as good as GTA:SA.

The only time I like Auto-aim is with the mouse and keyboard.

Realism along with immersion and innovation are the most overrated ideal that gamers throw around.

DA3 we haven't seen anything of yet, so it's impossible to say what will happen with it. 

GTAV on the other hand looks very promising, I have little doubt Rockstar will deliver an awesome game. 

You didn't, a lot of people did. Personal taste. The objective fact is that GTA IV is better made but has less stuff.Black_Knight_00

That's fine with me. Vice City and Grand Theft Auto IV are my favorite Grand Theft Auto games precisely because they were focused. I love San Andreas, but it was too big and tried too many things for its own good. It totally lost its focus after leaving Los Santos and took the story in a pretty unbelieveable direction. A lot of fuss was made about San Andreas' jetpacks, working out, eating, car customization, etc., etc., but I never thought any of that stuff brought anything meaningful to the table.

[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"]You didn't, a lot of people did. Personal taste. The objective fact is that GTA IV is better made but has less stuff.UpInFlames

That's fine with me. Vice City and Grand Theft Auto IV are my favorite Grand Theft Auto games precisely because they were focused. I love San Andreas, but it was too big and tried too many things for its own good. It totally lost its focus after leaving Los Santos and took the story in a pretty unbelieveable direction. A lot of fuss was made about San Andreas' jetpacks, working out, eating, car customization, etc., etc., but I never thought any of that stuff brought anything meaningful to the table.

Realism along with immersion and innovation are the most overrated ideal that gamers throw around.wiouds

What are we talkin about realism here? Keeping the suspension of belief going within whateve universe we're immersed in or actual lifelike gameplay?

In the latter case, i don't think realism is too important for a great game.

Seems over hyped games end up a dissapointment these days.  Dragon Age 3 I can see being just a smidge better than 2, GTA V I see not doing so hot. I don't know why. Just a feeling. Also if DA 3 flops, I have a feeling EA will put the bullet in Bioware and say boopity flip flappity gumbo chops on the way out.

CecilChups

GTAV will not flop or fail. In any capacity. It will sell incredibly well, receive high marks, and be loved by millions of fans.

As for Dragon Age III: What hype? I never see anyone discussing the game because we haven't seen anything of it yet. Its success will likely be determined by how well it is received at E3. If the game does flop, no way in hell is EA going to put down Bioware as their Mass Effect title has brought them way too much money.

[QUOTE="wiouds"]Realism along with immersion and innovation are the most overrated ideal that gamers throw around.Black_Knight_00

Game play, Controls, and clear graphics design are the pillars.

You cna have excelent games without the other three.

[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"][QUOTE="wiouds"]Realism along with immersion and innovation are the most overrated ideal that gamers throw around.wiouds

Game play, Controls, and clear graphics design are the pillars.

You cna have excelent games without the other three.

Let me quote Sasha Grey and say "There is no such thing as 'too big' "Black_Knight_00

She talks a big game for a flat-chested slut.