[QUOTE="alexwatchtower"]I'm more worried more about you and me being able to sell a game to each other at used game prices. MrGeezer
I just need a bit of clarification here: do you think that Microsoft and the game publisher should get a cut whenever you and I sell a game to each other? Suppose we leave Gamestop out of this entirely. I have the X1 version of some game, and I sell that used copy to you over ebay or in person face-to-face. How much of a cut should Microsoft and the publisher get there? Five dollars? Ten dollars? Thirty dollars? Hell, even if I want to straight up give you a game for free after I'm done with it, isn't that still f***ing over Microsoft and the publishers just as much as if that particular copy had been sold back to Gamestop? Either way, someone's getting a pre-owned X1 game without giving Microsoft and the publishers money every time the game is transferred to a new owner. You seem to be thinking of personal transactions between single players as somehow different from what Gamestop does, but it isn't. All Gamestop is doing is buying pre-owned games and selling pre-owned games. Which is EXACTLY the same as what you or I do when we sell or buy pre-owned games through ebay or Amazon or face-to-face. The only difference is that Gamestop does it in much higher volume. But the supposed meat of the complaint against Gamestop, that they're f***ing over Microsoft and the publishers by buying and selling without giving money to Microsoft and the publishers still applies 100%. Why should Microsoft's policy on "you and me being able to sell games to each other" be any different than Microsoft's policy on used game sales involving Gamestop? In the past, if you buy a game and then want to transfer ownership to someone else, you could decide exactly how much money needed to be exchanged in order for you to give up the game.You bought Road Rash, and didn't like it, so you trade it to the nerd on the school bus in exchange for his ham sandwich and a couple of X-Men pogs. Is that kid f***ing over the game industry? Hell dude..if I straight up decide to GIVE you a game because I'm done with it and I think you might like it, that fits squarely in the exact same boat. The entire rationale behind Gamestop "stealing money from the creators" says that I'm doing the exact same thing every time I give away a pre-owned game as a GIFT. Someone once gave me an Atari 7800 and 20 games as a gift because he was sick of gaming and thought it'd be better to give the games to someone who might like them rather than simply throw them in the trash. I gave away my Sega Genesis and Playstation 1 (along with all the games I had) because I was done with them and thought that someone broker than my broke-ass might like them. Is THAT the kind of thing that's hurting the game industry? "F*** Gamestop, I'm worried about transactions between you and me." Uh...REALLY? You should realize that the difference between Gamestop and "you and me" is really freaking thin, the only difference is that Gamestop deals with a lot more volume. If I give someone a $***ton of used games for his birthday, or even sell him a used copy of a game that I bought and didn't like, is that f***ing over the creators? MAYBE. But if this industry can't survive in the presence of that kind of routine and standard reselling, then it needs to f***ing DIE. If this industry is so goddamn weak that reselling crappy-ass games (or simply giving them away) because they suck and have no value to buyers beyond a few weeks is killing the industry, then this industry needs to DIE.First, to answer your question, I don't think Microsoft and devs should get a dime, but if they do get something, it should be similar to what they're doing with GameStop. If you ask me, the benefits of limited piracy is enough for them considering we're now getting our hands tied and losing so much freedom. They definitely don't deserve an additional percentage.
No what I think GameStop was doing was boosting the used game sales market over its normal volume with this volume rental bi-passing and used game purchase encouragement during a new release game period. If I want to play a copy of some smaller nich game in the 90's a day or two, after release, there was very little chance I was going to be able to find it used anywhere. I was not able going to find you anywhere to give me the game.
The only way I could is wait a couple of weeks, or wait to find it in a rental store or I could buy it brand new. With GameStop, I could either buy it new and trade it in right away and renting it at a premium price, or wait 1 day and usually find it on the shelf used at a discounted price. I could almost count for that cheaper discounted copy being there, that I could also rent and come back and trade it in. And I could do this with pretty much any game.
The reason I'm saying is I don't care about GameSpot I care about you and me, is because right now, as things are, they still are in the damn equation. What you described in your first paragraph is not officially confirmed. So yeah, they seem to be fine, they just won't be getting those $20 or more profit margin levels they have been getting fat on. Heck depending on how much the cut is on used games, Microsoft might even allow them to do as many 1 day rentals as they wish, because the publishers and them will now get a cut every time. So it works out for them! In fact, now Microsoft and publishers might even encourage it themselves since they'll probably prefer not to have to print actual disc copies and packaging.
I want to know if this same deal, will be extended to you and I, because I don't deal with that company anyway. At worst, I would at least want to be able to sell it on Ebay. So when I see you guys talking about "poor GameStop"...screw that...what about poor you and me? They haven't said a thing about you and I doing this, and being able to set our own prices on Ebay or anywhere else. That's what concerns me.
In fact if they don't give this to me and you, then the only reason they're not is precisely to keep retailers like GameStop in business, because with a digital distribution system, GameStop would basically be screwed since we would never use them.
Oh and another thing, truth is they're going to be screwed anyway, because that's where this is eventually ending up. So Microsoft might be doing them a favor by keeping them around a little longer than they should be. I just hope this favor isn't going to be paid by you and I not being able to privately sale our games.
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