Best Sega Console?

1. Sega Dreamcast
2. Sega Saturn
3. Sega Genesis
4. Sega Master System

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1. Saturn
2. Mega Drive
3. Dreamcast
4. Mark-III
5. SG-1000

in my opinion, the Saturn.

Genesis Does 16 bit arcade

Genesis Does 16 bit arcade

bigM10231

[QUOTE="bigM10231"]

Genesis Does 16 bit arcade

Darkman2007

No, the Mega Drive wasn't based on any system board, back then it wasn't viable.

The Mega-Tech and SYSTEM C-2 were based on the Mega Drive, however.

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="bigM10231"]

Genesis Does 16 bit arcade

Panzer_Zwei

No, the Mega Drive wasn't based on any system board, back then it wasn't viable.

The Mega-Tech and SYSTEM C-2 were based on the Mega Drive, however.

as far as specs go , they both run on a 68000 CPU and have the same sound system, though the system 16 board has a higher clocked CPU and more onscreen colours.

[QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] ironically the Mega Drive was basically an arcade board, Sega just took their existing system 16 board and turned it into a console, it was a good choice too.Darkman2007

No, the Mega Drive wasn't based on any system board, back then it wasn't viable.

The Mega-Tech and SYSTEM C-2 were based on the Mega Drive, however.

Altered Beast and Golden Axe were SYSTEM 16. Look at the Mega Drive conversions.

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"]

No, the Mega Drive wasn't based on any system board, back then it wasn't viable.

The Mega-Tech and SYSTEM C-2 were based on the Mega Drive, however.

Panzer_Zwei

Altered Beast and Golden Axe were SYSTEM 16. Look at the Mega Drive conversions.

well , I did say the MD was a little less powerful, also as far as ive seen the ROM chip in the MD carts have less space then the S16 originals. they basically share the same design as far as the insides go.

also some S16 boards had twin 68000 CPUs, outrun being one of them.

[QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] are you sure?, im pretty sure it was based on the system 16 boardDarkman2007

Altered Beast and Golden Axe were SYSTEM 16. Look at the Mega Drive conversions.

If they were based on the same design, then the Mega Drive, wouldn't have less colours, same sprite cababilities, etc. They don't.

This is the list of arcade boards based on other already existing hardware architecture.

http://www.system16.com/base.php

These are the SYSTEM-16 SPECS

http://www.system16.com/hardware.php?id=700

system 16 specs

Main CPU : MC68000 @ 10 MHz
Sound CPU : Z80 @ 4 MHz
Sound chip : Yamaha YM2151 @ 4 MHz & NEC uPD7751 ADPCM Decoder
Video resolution : 320 x 224 (vertical)
Colour's : 4096
Board composition : CPU board + Video board
Hardware Features : 128 Sprites on screen at one time, 2 tile layers, 1 text layer, 1 sprite layer with hardware sprite zooming, translucent shadows

Mega Drive specs

Processor: Motorola 68000 16/32-bit processor running at 7.67MHz Co-processor (Sound Controller): Zilog Z80 8-bit at 3.58MHz Memory: 64K work RAM (68000), 64K video RAM, 8K work RAM (Z80)

Later hardware had an internal 1Kx16 ROM for the license display screen.

Display Palette: 512 colors (3:3:3 RGB) Onscreen colors: 64 (normal) or 183 (shadow/highlight mode) Maximum onscreen sprites: 80 (320-pixel wide displays) or 64 (256-pixel wide displays) Resolution: 256×224, 256×448, 320×224, 320×448, (PAL and NTSC)

256×240, 320×240, 256×480, 320×480 (PAL only), 256×192 (SMS games only)

Sound: Yamaha YM2612 5 channel FM and 1 channel FM/PCM, Texas Instruments SN76489 4 channel PSG (Programmable Sound Generator)

obviously the S16 board is more powerful , but it seems like the MD is a weaker version of the arcade.

I imagine they did that to make porting games like Golden Axe and other S16 games more quickly.

Mega Drive ;)

obviously the S16 board is more powerful , but it seems like the MD is a weaker version of the arcade.

I imagine they did that to make porting games like Golden Axe and other S16 games more quickly.

Darkman2007

This is not the case with the MD, as it couldn't offer SYSTEM 16 capabilities. It's games were far from being arcade perfect. It's design may be inspired by the SYSTEM-16 but weaker =/= the same. The Mega Drive is not an arcade system board, like the SS and Dreamcast are.

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The Saturn had a lot of potential but Sega screwed up. Sadly, that also goes for Dreamcast.

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]

obviously the S16 board is more powerful , but it seems like the MD is a weaker version of the arcade.

I imagine they did that to make porting games like Golden Axe and other S16 games more quickly.

Panzer_Zwei

The ST-V was more powerful than the SS. The NAOMI was even more powerful than the DC. However, since the architecture is indeed the same, the home conversions could be optimized so games could be pretty much arcade perfect.

This is not the case with the MD, as it couldn't offer SYSTEM 16 capabilities. It's games were far from being arcade perfect. It's design may be inspired by the SYSTEM-16 but weaker =/= the same. The Mega Drive is not an arcade system board, like the SS and Dreamcast are.

as I said, the MD is a weaker system , but unlike the STV board where the main issue was the extra RAM the board had, the S16 board has more powerful specs overall, in CPU , on screen colours and sprite count, its just that they share a similar design. that said, the 68000 was a popular CPU ,so that may have been the reason that both used it.

i liked saturn but loooooved my genisis, i mean sonic 2... splatterhouse... mortal komat with blood... need i go further?

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Chicken35

Dreamcast was pretty good, but it wasn't quite as good as the success of the Genesis. When they first came out, they were both WAY better than their competitors, but Genesis stayed in the game longer and had bigger/better selection of games.

Saturn was a big screw up for sega, and the master system was just ok, nothing that great.

The Genesis, of course. It had the biggest library of games, and the best selection of exclusives out of all of them. And as long as you don't beat them, Genesises (or Genesi?) will last a lifetime. And I had such memories of it, so much time spent on Genesis (particularly Sonic games, beat-em ups, and Mortal Kombat games).Emerald_Warrior

As for the other things, it's a matter of personal taste.

[QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"]The Genesis, of course. It had the biggest library of games, and the best selection of exclusives out of all of them. And as long as you don't beat them, Genesises (or Genesi?) will last a lifetime. And I had such memories of it, so much time spent on Genesis (particularly Sonic games, beat-em ups, and Mortal Kombat games).Panzer_Zwei

As for the other things, it's a matter of personal taste.

Genesis...why is there even apoll about this?

Genesis...why is there even apoll about this?

KPAXMAN

Dreamcast was pretty good, but it wasn't quite as good as the success of the Genesis. When they first came out, they were both WAY better than their competitors, but Genesis stayed in the game longer and had bigger/better selection of games.

Saturn was a big screw up for sega, and the master system was just ok, nothing that great.

Talldude80

[QUOTE="Talldude80"]

Dreamcast was pretty good, but it wasn't quite as good as the success of the Genesis. When they first came out, they were both WAY better than their competitors, but Genesis stayed in the game longer and had bigger/better selection of games.

Saturn was a big screw up for sega, and the master system was just ok, nothing that great.

savebattery

And Master System was outstanding too.

the ironic thing about all these "saturn sucks" comments(most of them from people who never played the system) , is that not only does the Saturn have a bigger library of games, both the Saturn and Dreamcast (which is praised to the high heavens), sold around the same number of units, so for all the praise the DC gets, it crashed just as badly as the Saturn (in the business sense).

Albert Odyssey , X-men vs Street Fighter , Street Figther Alpha 3 , Burning Rangers , Winter Heat , Dead or Alive (better then the PS version in most ways) , Last Bronx, Astal. just a few games to add to that list.

[QUOTE="savebattery"][QUOTE="Talldude80"]

Dreamcast was pretty good, but it wasn't quite as good as the success of the Genesis. When they first came out, they were both WAY better than their competitors, but Genesis stayed in the game longer and had bigger/better selection of games.

Saturn was a big screw up for sega, and the master system was just ok, nothing that great.

Darkman2007

And Master System was outstanding too.

the ironic thing about all these "saturn sucks" comments(most of them from people who never played the system) , is that not only does the Saturn have a bigger library of games, both the Saturn and Dreamcast (which is praised to the high heavens), sold around the same number of units, so for all the praise the DC gets, it crashed just as badly as the Saturn (in the business sense).

Albert Odyssey , X-men vs Street Fighter , Street Figther Alpha 3 , Burning Rangers , Winter Heat , Dead or Alive (better then the PS version in most ways) , Last Bronx, Astal. just a few games to add to that list.

There's a big difference between the SS and DC sales though. Around half of the total DC sales came from systems that were sold at a loss after the system was discontinued. This was not the case with the SS, since most of its units were sold in Japan. Some companies even released their own SS units at least in limited quantities, something that did not happened with the DC.

The DC ended up being more popular in Japan, and was supported for more than a year after it was discontinued. However, since all factories had to be shut down, SEGA of Japan was forced to sell refurbished units on its website.

Also, SEGA did screw up with the SS big time though, both in Japan and in the west. Third parties were really digging the SS (the MD was dead in Japan), and then SEGA dropped all support for it in 1998. This was the time when many SS games began getting ported to the PS.

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]

[QUOTE="savebattery"] Saturn a screw up? Radiant Silvergun, Panzer Dragoon Saga, NiGHTS Into Dreams, Shining Force III, Virtua Fighter 2, Waku Waku 7...

And Master System was outstanding too.Panzer_Zwei

the ironic thing about all these "saturn sucks" comments(most of them from people who never played the system) , is that not only does the Saturn have a bigger library of games, both the Saturn and Dreamcast (which is praised to the high heavens), sold around the same number of units, so for all the praise the DC gets, it crashed just as badly as the Saturn (in the business sense).

Albert Odyssey , X-men vs Street Fighter , Street Figther Alpha 3 , Burning Rangers , Winter Heat , Dead or Alive (better then the PS version in most ways) , Last Bronx, Astal. just a few games to add to that list.

There's a big difference between the SS and DC sales though. Around half of the total DC sales came from systems that were sold at a loss after the system was discontinued. This was not the case with the SS, since most of its units were sold in Japan. Some companies even released their own SS units at least in limited quantities, something that did not happened with the DC.

The DC ended up being more popular in Japan, and was supported for more than a year after it was discontinued. However, since all factories had to be shut down, SEGA of Japan was forced to sell refurbished units on its website.

Also, SEGA did screw up with the SS big time though, both in Japan and in the west. Third parties were really digging the SS (the MD was dead in Japan), and then SEGA dropped all support for it in 1998. This was the time when many SS games began getting ported to the PS.

Genesis...why is there even apoll about this?

[QUOTE="Talldude80"]

Dreamcast was pretty good, but it wasn't quite as good as the success of the Genesis. When they first came out, they were both WAY better than their competitors, but Genesis stayed in the game longer and had bigger/better selection of games.

Saturn was a big screw up for sega, and the master system was just ok, nothing that great.

savebattery

The Saturn flopped commercially in the West. Sure, it wasn't a bad console and it was popular in Japan, but the sales and 3rd party support in the West were poor.

[QUOTE="savebattery"][QUOTE="Talldude80"]

Dreamcast was pretty good, but it wasn't quite as good as the success of the Genesis. When they first came out, they were both WAY better than their competitors, but Genesis stayed in the game longer and had bigger/better selection of games.

Saturn was a big screw up for sega, and the master system was just ok, nothing that great.

nameless12345

Saturn a screw up? Radiant Silvergun, Panzer Dragoon Saga, NiGHTS Into Dreams, Shining Force III, Virtua Fighter 2, Waku Waku 7...

The Saturn flopped commercially in the West. Sure, it wasn't a bad console and it was popular in Japan, but the sales and 3rd party support in the West were poor.

I would say the Saturn had decent 3rd party support, sure it was nothing like what the PS1 got , it but it did have quite a few 3rd party games, both from western and Japanese developers.

it was really later in its lifespan , when Sega was already hinting about the abandoning the Saturn , that 3rd parties started leaving in large numbers.

Though as we all know, 3rd party support is not the only way to judge a system , the N64 also lacked the kind of 3rd party support the PS1 got, and yet its still a great system.

dreamcast all the way

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

[QUOTE="savebattery"]

Saturn a screw up? Radiant Silvergun, Panzer Dragoon Saga, NiGHTS Into Dreams, Shining Force III, Virtua Fighter 2, Waku Waku 7... Darkman2007

The Saturn flopped commercially in the West. Sure, it wasn't a bad console and it was popular in Japan, but the sales and 3rd party support in the West were poor.

I would say the Saturn had decent 3rd party support, sure it was nothing like what the PS1 got , it but it did have quite a few 3rd party games, both from western and Japanese developers.

it was really later in its lifespan , when Sega was already hinting about the abandoning the Saturn , that 3rd parties started leaving in large numbers.

Though as we all know, 3rd party support is not the only way to judge a system , the N64 also lacked the kind of 3rd party support the PS1 got, and yet its still a great system.

Yeah, but PS1 lasted a whole six years untill PS2 came along and had massive support, while the Saturn was basically a "dead" console by 1998. The PS1 was still strong in 1998. And the N64 had great 1st party games which almost did it for the mediocre 3rd party support.

Tough choice to make. I loved my Saturn & Dreamcast, but I also thought Genesis was kickass. megadrive however... I could do without it.

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

The Saturn flopped commercially in the West. Sure, it wasn't a bad console and it was popular in Japan, but the sales and 3rd party support in the West were poor.

nameless12345

I would say the Saturn had decent 3rd party support, sure it was nothing like what the PS1 got , it but it did have quite a few 3rd party games, both from western and Japanese developers.

it was really later in its lifespan , when Sega was already hinting about the abandoning the Saturn , that 3rd parties started leaving in large numbers.

Though as we all know, 3rd party support is not the only way to judge a system , the N64 also lacked the kind of 3rd party support the PS1 got, and yet its still a great system.

Yeah, but PS1 lasted a whole six years untill PS2 came along and had massive support, while the Saturn was basically a "dead" console by 1998. The PS1 was still strong in 1998. And the N64 had great 1st party games which almost did it for the mediocre 3rd party support.

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]

I would say the Saturn had decent 3rd party support, sure it was nothing like what the PS1 got , it but it did have quite a few 3rd party games, both from western and Japanese developers.

it was really later in its lifespan , when Sega was already hinting about the abandoning the Saturn , that 3rd parties started leaving in large numbers.

Though as we all know, 3rd party support is not the only way to judge a system , the N64 also lacked the kind of 3rd party support the PS1 got, and yet its still a great system.

Darkman2007

Yeah, but PS1 lasted a whole six years untill PS2 came along and had massive support, while the Saturn was basically a "dead" console by 1998. The PS1 was still strong in 1998. And the N64 had great 1st party games which almost did it for the mediocre 3rd party support.

Yeah but Sega devs themselves said it was hard to develop for the Saturn. Even Yu Suzuki sait that it would be better to have a fast single CPU instead of two CPUs. Most devs struggled to get a good performance out of the Saturn and almost no games showed the real potential of the console. The beta demo Shenmue footage looks better than anything else on the Saturn. And Saturn had no real Sonic game (Sonic X-treme was cancelled).

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="nameless12345"]

Yeah, but PS1 lasted a whole six years untill PS2 came along and had massive support, while the Saturn was basically a "dead" console by 1998. The PS1 was still strong in 1998. And the N64 had great 1st party games which almost did it for the mediocre 3rd party support.

nameless12345

Yeah but Sega devs themselves said it was hard to develop for the Saturn. Even Yu Suzuki sait that it would be better to have a fast single CPU instead of two CPUs. Most devs struggled to get a good performance out of the Saturn and almost no games showed the real potential of the console. The beta demo Shenmue footage looks better than anything else on the Saturn. And Saturn had no real Sonic game (Sonic X-treme was cancelled).

Seeing that the SS had above 800 games released for it (far below the PS yes, but far above anything else including the N64). It would seem developers didn't struggled that much with the system.

Seeing that the SS had above 800 games released for it (far below the PS yes, but far above anything else including the N64). It would seem developers didn't struggled that much with the system.

Panzer_Zwei

[QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"]

Seeing that the SS had above 800 games released for it (far below the PS yes, but far above anything else including the N64). It would seem developers didn't struggled that much with the system.

Darkman2007

We can argue all day which had the better, most legendary games, but at least the numbers are on the Saturn. Complaining about it's third party support, then complain about all of the other SEGA systems, because it's not like they had it better.

Here are some example of games for the Saturn which in my opinion look good for their time

Dead Or Alive (its debatable if the PS1 or Saturn versions are better)

Winter Heat

Quake

Burning Rangers

Croc

Bulk Slash

Savaki

Last Bronx

Tomb Raider

Panzer Dragoon Saga

Daytona USA Circuit Edition (cheesy music included)

and all of these are 3D games, there are of course more , but I think these games speak for themselves.

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"]

Seeing that the SS had above 800 games released for it (far below the PS yes, but far above anything else including the N64). It would seem developers didn't struggled that much with the system.

Panzer_Zwei

We can argue all day which had the better, most legendary games, but at least the numbers are on the Saturn. Complaining about it's third party support, then complain about all of the other SEGA systems, because it's not like they had it better.

I never complained about the Saturn 3rd party support, Im the one who said the machine had decent 3rd party support.