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#1 yucky_straw
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He was warning him to not become a one term president because Steve Jobs had his concerns. This doesn't mean that Steve Jobs completely disapproved of the Obama Administration. He supported Obama in 2008 and planned to support him again in 2012. That's why he offered to design Obama's 2012 campaign ads.

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I believe in him, actually. But I have a different belief in what he does. My take on God is similar with some old guy of history who believed God as a clockmaker. He made the clock (us) and now watches us as we continue to tick away. However, there is a difference between this clock and other clocks, this clock can repair itself; it has the intellect and power to repair and mend itself and with that if it ever breaks God will not repair for he knows that the clock has the ability to do fix itself as he made it that way. I think he created us, I mean there is scientific data to prove he doesn't but I believe he does, he made the Big Bang Theroy happen and let science take its course. So, I believe in him but I don't think he's gonna help us as many hard core christians would say. He gave us all brains people, we need to use them instead of praying for some unbeknown power to send help riding in a golden carriage.

So I think he exsits in some ways shape or form, but I think we need to stop praying to him for help. It's a nice idea but he's not gonna help us, he gave us the power to do the helping, it's our choice if we use it. So...what about you?

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No I don't believe in God. Do you believe in a specific religion or just a creator of the universe? I'm assuming you believe in the christian version of God since you made a reference to christians.

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I think that non-religious people are not vocal enough! Why is it that our culture feels that it has to cater to someone's beliefs about what happens when we die or the origins of our universe? If a person told you that the earth was flat would you find it disrespectful to tell them that is ridiculous? And I would like to point out that any disrespect or 'forcing of views' from atheists would be limited to only words. Atheists don't do suicide bombings, torture, burn at the stake, fly planes into buildings, or picket outside dead soldiers funerals because of our beliefs.

Most religious people want their beliefs to be intertwined with every aspect of everyone's lives. Politics, laws, education, government and the list goes on. Every religion has lobbiests in America that fight to have laws passed that favor their beliefs. Every judge on the supreme court is religious. We don't even have an atheist politician that could win any serious election.

Atheists forcing their views is absolutely nonsense because there is no force. Only people that say 'I don't believewhat you believe'. And I don't see any disrespect in doing that.

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There is nothing in the bible that suggests that god commands good actions from people since man has been given free will. A Christian would argue that people perform acts of good because we are created in god's image. I would argue that if you are going to give god credit for everything that is 'good' then he must also be responsible for every 'bad' or 'evil'. You might argue that satan is responsible for everything evil. Well, if god is all knowing he must have known when he created the universe that he was creating a universe full of evil and suffering. If he is all powerful then he should have the power to stop what is evil.

Good and evil are relative points of view that come from humans. What one person sees as good another person may not. The idea of a god is a horrible idea. To believe that there is a god watching us, supervising us, commanding us, judging us, is to believe that we are abject slaves. It means that we never have a private moment to ourselves. It means that every thought that comes from your head is being judged.It's an immoral belief. It's a belief that says we must love this dictator but also fear him. It is a master/slave relationship. It is Sadomasochism. If we are going to progress as a species, we really need to grow up out of this someday, you know.

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No. That would be ridiculous. Almost as ridiculous as the idea of heaven.

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Are they trying to drag down everyone else with them? In every topic I see with the word "God" or "religion" in it, you immediately see all the non-believers quoting "there is no God" or "Science is proving everything false". What happened to being respectful of others? Seriously, why do atheists always feel the need to destroy other's beliefs?

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By 'drag down' do you mean down to hell? There's nothing 'down' about being an atheist. I actually find myself being happier as an atheist than I did as a person of faith. The hostility you experience from athiests is quite mild compared to the standards religion has set throughout history. Each religion today has at some point tortured and killed people of other religions as well as non-believers. And it still happens today. The Westboro Baptist Church plans to picket the funeral of the 9 year old girl that was killed in Ariziona because her family is Catholic and this church believes 'God Hates Catholics' as their signs read. That is hostile. It can be frustrating to be an atheist in America because our country is the most religious modern nation. And because of that everything in our daily lives is influenced by religion. Every major religious group has lobbiests pushing to get laws passed that favor their religious beliefs. Every politician claims to be a person of faith. So a lot of what you read may just be frustration not hostility. People should always be respectful to others but people should also be allowed to question beliefs. Why is a persons belief about what happens when we die or the origin of the universe off limits for debate or even questioning? Especially since these are claims that no human being could ever know.

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[QUOTE="yucky_straw"]Yes, I understand that the bible is a collection of text written by men. And we all know what happenswhen stories get past down from person to person. The birthdate of jesus wasn't even established until 349 A.D (let's hope they got it right). But we're talking about original sin, Adam & Eve. Something that happend at the beginning of human creation, according to the bible. And the bible also clearly states that jesus died for the original sin so that God would forgive us that and all future sins. If he wanted to forgive us then why not just forgive us? Why the song and dance with crucifiction and resurrection? Who is he trying to impress? Himself apparantly.fidosim
YOU are talking about original sin. I am still confused as to why, because original sin is not in the Book of Revelation. Which is the only canonized Biblical text about the end of times. Which is what you were so concerned about. >.>

You mentioned Book of Revelation as allegorical. I brought up original sin because this is also something I'm often told to be allegorical. My fault for confusing things by bringing it up. But the rapture is something that most christians do believe to be literal. I mean, this is a fact. Don't you think that if people believe that the world will end soon, possibly any day now, it would damage their desire to improve life for people and our planet?
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[QUOTE="yucky_straw"]Ok.... The Old Testament (original sin) came before The New Testament. Jesus was in the "New" Testament. In the bible, Jesus is God. The bible didn't have to exist for God to know about original sin. He's God. He's all knowing and all powerful (but had to rest on the 7th day?). Jesus died for original sin which according to you did not happen. Just an allegorical event. Do you believe in the rapture and if so, please decribe what it will be like as the bible describes. If we were attacked by a country with a nuclear bomb or if a meteor collided with the earth, would you think that this might be the rapture if you had no idea (stretch) what was going on? fidosim

You're either misunderstanding or misrepresenting me. The Book of Revelation is not the book of Genesis, nor is it the Book of Matthew, Mark, Luke, or John. It was written by a different person at a different time, for different reasons. You are aware that the Bible is a collection of texts, written by different people over a span of centuries? It is not a monolithic work written by one person.

Yes, I understand that the bible is a collection of text written by men. And we all know what happenswhen stories get past down from person to person. The birthdate of jesus wasn't even established until 349 A.D (let's hope they got it right). But we're talking about original sin, Adam & Eve. Something that happend at the beginning of human creation, according to the bible. And the bible also clearly states that jesus died for the original sin so that God would forgive us that and all future sins. If he wanted to forgive us then why not just forgive us? Why the song and dance with crucifiction and resurrection? Who is he trying to impress? Himself apparantly.

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[QUOTE="yucky_straw"] Allergorical text? So original sin never happened? God sent himself to earth as jesus to be tortured, and killed for a symbolic, allegorical text?fidosim
I'm sorry? Original sin and the gospels are not part of the book of Revelation. Also, you're saying that Jesus died "for" an allegorical text? The bible didn't exist during Jesus' lifetime.
And I'm not saying the bible in saying nuclear attack. I'm saying many believers would perceive a nuclear attack as the end of days.yucky_straw
You did say that the apocalypse sounded like a nuclear attack. I assumed you were referring to the language used in the book of Revelation.

Ok.... The Old Testament (original sin) came before The New Testament. Jesus was in the "New" Testament. In the bible, Jesus is God. The bible didn't have to exist for God to know about original sin. He's God. He's all knowing and all powerful (but had to rest on the 7th day?). Jesus died for original sin which according to you did not happen. Just an allegorical event. Do you believe in the rapture and if so, please decribe what it will be like as the bible describes. If we were attacked by a country with a nuclear bomb or if a meteor collided with the earth, would you think that this might be the rapture if you had no idea (stretch) what was going on?
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[QUOTE="yucky_straw"]Source? Start asking people at your church. Many christians that I speak to believe that jesus will return in their lifetime. You may have a logical way of thinking but many, many religious people do not. As a believer, do you believe that christ will return? The apocalypse in the bible is described as something very similiar to a nuclear attack. fidosim
Your claim was that the majority of Americans would see a nuclear attack as glorious. Have you spoken to a majority of Americans? If you haven't, and you don't have a source to back up your claim, then you are spreading misinformation and propogating irrational fear. As far as the apocalypse goes, the book of Revelation (which I assume you're mostly referring to) is an allegorical text. This means that the notion that it could be describing a nuclear attack is completely based on speculation.

Allergorical text? So original sin never happened? God sent himself to earth as jesus to be tortured, and killed for a symbolic, allegorical text? And I'm not saying the bible in saying nuclear attack. I'm saying many believers would perceive a nuclear attack as the end of days. Misinformation, propaganda, and irrational fear are words that a religious person should think twice about using in an accusation. That is the epidemy of religion. Scare people into believing that they will go to hell if they do not believe (and please) God. All done with misinformation, propaganda, and irrational fear. In other words, complete nonsense.