[QUOTE="yucky_straw"][QUOTE="fidosim"] Er, i'm a believer and I consider nuclear war to be a horrifying prospect. Do you have a source to show that most Americans want nuclear armageddon?LJS9502_basicSource? Start asking people at your church. Many christians that I speak to believe that jesus will return in their lifetime. You may have a logical way of thinking but many, many religious people do not. As a believer, do you believe that christ will return? The apocalypse in the bible is described as something very similiar to a nuclear attack. I've never met a Christian from any denomination that believe he'd return in their lifetime....Source? God exists? Source? (that actually proves something)
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[QUOTE="yucky_straw"] Right. I agree with this. Most religious people are religious by 'default' do to childhood indoctrination. Unfortunately most can't shake it off. But all it really takes is a healthy does of rational thinking. fidosimBut you're discounting the significant number of intelligent people who have reflected on their religious beliefs, and decided that they are rational. Or people like me who grew up with non-religious parents and chose to follow a religion without having been "indoctrinated". I'm discounting them because their reflections on religion have no validity. If I believed in unicorns and reflected on my beliefs would you take me seriously?
[QUOTE="yucky_straw"] Atheism is not seen as cool. In America, the word 'atheist' has been demonized and seen as something immoral, or evil. When really, it is quite the opposite. I'm not speaking out to be cool. I am concerned. Deeply worried about the fact that the majority of this country would see a nuclear attack as glorious. A significant percentage of this country would see this as the best thing ever. The return of you know who. This type of thinking does little to create a safe and durable future for ourselves.fidosimEr, i'm a believer and I consider nuclear war to be a horrifying prospect. Do you have a source to show that most Americans want nuclear armageddon? Source? Start asking people at your church. Many christians that I speak to believe that jesus will return in their lifetime. You may have a logical way of thinking but many, many religious people do not. As a believer, do you believe that christ will return? The apocalypse in the bible is described as something very similiar to a nuclear attack.
[QUOTE="yucky_straw"] I'm not arguing that one group is smarter than the other. Of course both groups have intelligent people. I do think, however, that it is a 'smarter' choice to believe something that has evidence to prove it such as evolution. Gravity is not a version of the the truth. It is the truth. It's scientifically proven. As well as evolution. Creationism really has nothing to back it up. Which leaves me baffled why many intelligent people do claim to be religious. fidosimAs the article I linked suggests, religious beliefs are sort of the "default" way of thinking for most of the world's population. The religious beliefs themselves really have little to do with how intelligent the believer is. The less intelligent person is just less likely to really think more about the beliefs that they've always had. I would say that this has very little to do with religion, and much to do with intellectual curiosity. Right. I agree with this. Most religious people are religious by 'default' do to childhood indoctrination. Unfortunately most can't shake it off. But all it really takes is a healthy does of rational thinking.
I guess a higher IQ encourages free thought and inversely correlates with likelihood of conformity.
Ironically, atheism is the "cool" thing to do, so wouldn't that be conformism? I mean this is aside from the fact that the study was conducted by liberal atheists trying way too hard to prove their alleged superiority. Atheism is not seen as cool. In America, the word 'atheist' has been demonized and seen as something immoral, or evil. When really, it is quite the opposite. I'm not speaking out to be cool. I am concerned. Deeply worried about the fact that the majority of this country would see a nuclear attack as glorious. A significant percentage of this country would see this as the best thing ever. The return of you know who. This type of thinking does little to create a safe and durable future for ourselves.I have read other articles on this topic that take different approaches. I think most attempts to prove that one ideology/belief system is "smarter" than another are nonsense.
IQ test question:
If one liberal atheist has an IQ of 160, and one conservative theist has an IQ of 160, how many intellectually gifted people do you have?
I'm not arguing that one group is smarter than the other. Of course both groups have intelligent people. I do think, however, that it is a 'smarter' choice to believe something that has evidence to prove it such as evolution. Gravity is not a version of the the truth. It is the truth. It's scientifically proven. As well as evolution. Creationism really has nothing to back it up. Which leaves me baffled why many intelligent people do claim to be religious.[QUOTE="yucky_straw"]There aren't thousands of scientists who are christians. Over 90% of evolutionary biology scientists are either agnostic or atheist. And if you are refering to 'christian science', that is not reconized as an actual science. I don't think that all christians believe the bible literally. Many people are religious simply because of the comfort that it brings. The ones who do believe it literally are just misinformed and have had these stories drilled into their heads since childhood. I would love to see some evidence supporting your statistic.[QUOTE="alexside1"] Thousands of christian scientist would like to have a word with you. Besides why do think that all Christians interpret the bible literally?
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Here.It's listed under #5.
Thousands of christian scientist would like to have a word with you. Besides why do think that all Christians interpret the bible literally? There aren't thousands of scientists who are christians. Over 90% of evolutionary biology scientists are either agnostic or atheist. And if you are refering to 'christian science', that is not reconized as an actual science. I don't think that all christians believe the bible literally. Many people are religious simply because of the comfort that it brings. The ones who do believe it literally are just misinformed and have had these stories drilled into their heads since childhood.[QUOTE="yucky_straw"]< Most scientists are atheists because they have an understanding of evolution and natural selection. Everything that science has proven deeply contradicts religious claims.
This is actually an important issue because religious groups and lobbyists have enough influence to stop schools from teaching evolution and instead, in some cases, incorporate religious beliefs into the lessons.
alexside1
He disagrees
dercoo
Quotes from Albert Einstein:
"If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed."
"I don't try to imagine a personal God; it suffices to stand in awe at the structure of the world, insofar as it allows our inadequate senses to appreciate it."
Einstein was always quoted as saying "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind" by advocates of religion. But he was later quoted saying this: "It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me that can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."
Einstein was clearly an agnostic and naturalist at best. Probably even atheist if you really think about what he was saying. Most scientists are atheists because they have an understanding of evolution and natural selection. Everything that science has proven deeply contradicts religious claims.
This is actually an important issue because religious groups and lobbyists have enough influence to stop schools from teaching evolution and instead, in some cases, incorporate religious beliefs into the lessons.
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