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#1 wiistation36000
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[QUOTE="yarou1000"][QUOTE="Mafiree"] That will be the next step imo, which is why I oppose government run health care. I think it is fine if you want to eat excessive amounts of food, smoke, drink alcohol, or do drugs. I just think you should bare the financial responsibility of these actions and not be a burden for tax payers. Mafiree
perfectly health people have come down with disease, and illness... look at lance armstrong, or in hockey phil kessel both are extremely fit, and healthy men, who got testicular cancer... now neither has to my knowledge done any substance abuse of any sort. The same could be said about many people around the world who get sick.

Those can be calculated into insurance rates. Since, you will on average require x amount of medical bills. I am willing to pay into this because if I was to develop a condition that requires a large amount of money to treat my insurance company would pay for it. My point was in regards to conditions like type-2 diabetes which is a generally preventable condition. Type-2 diabetes makes up a significant portion of health-care expenditures in the US and I feel it is unfair to have to bare the burden of someone elses poor lifestyle choices.

Are you opposed or for universal healthcare?

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#2 wiistation36000
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[QUOTE="Mafiree"] unemployment is a lagged indicator......Mafiree

What do you mean by lag?

The economy recovers then "some time" after unemployment decreases.

If it continues to go up, why should we have faith? I'd think we'd see at least an imporovement in 10 months. Or, if apparently it was spent in Bush's term, longer.
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How about we spend more money teaching kids how to be healthy and such, that way, when they get older, they don't NEED to go to the doctor so much?cell_dweller
That would help too.
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#5 wiistation36000
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[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="wiistation36000"]@rawsavon I give up on the quoting thing. Anyway... 1. I didn't mean to say it was a taxbreak. 2. In order for it to work we need to make up for it by cutting spending (any complaints? :|)

depends on what you are going to cut. -getting the gov. to run more efficiently would be a better goal IMO

We could start with the funding going to A.C.O.R.N. :P That being said, and (bad) spending was cut, would you agree with my idea? Why or why not?
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@rawsavon I give up on the quoting thing. Anyway... 1. I didn't mean to say it was a taxbreak. 2. In order for it to work we need to make up for it by cutting spending (any complaints? :|)
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I understand Obama can't fix things overnight (or hey, 10 months either, let's not rush him) but I can't understand why unemployment has gone UP.

:??

Mafiree

unemployment is a lagged indicator......

What do you mean by lag?

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[QUOTE="Rocky32189"][QUOTE="wiistation36000"][QUOTE="Rocky32189"] The amount you are taxed is based on your income level.

I know, what does that have to do with healthcare?

Universal healthcare would be paid for by taxes.

It's still taxing everyone though, even though it's not equal. So sure it's going to tax the rich more than it will the poor, just like firestations, police stations public services etc tax the rich more than they do the poor.
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[QUOTE="yarou1000"][QUOTE="wiistation36000"][QUOTE="yarou1000"] no u do pay for your health care... it is just paid through ur taxes, and most likely cheaper than insurance not to mention adding it to taxes makes it a requirement not an option. It is something you are entitled to not, something you can have if you are rich. I also feels it results in a tighter feel of nationality... everybody is paying for each other, and everybody knows if they ever need a heart transplant, or a tumor removed, their fellow canadians have the covered. And it is a mutual feeling through out i would like to think...

How is it cheaper? You're directly paying for the actual operation through taxes. That's a good point, but I think I should be allowed to help other people out at my own discretion.

ok would u rather pay 500 dollars in taxes ( i made this figure up i dont know the exact numbers) or pay that 500,000 for the heart, and heart transplant you need to live? Basically its risk and reward... u might never develope cancer or any other disease and will never need to pay fro medical, but what if you do develop something that requires expensive treatments but can not afford it? will you die knowing that the only thing killing you was the greed of yourself and your fellow american? Also on the second part about your discretion, isnt the man needing funds for his life being an american, your fellow country man/woman, some one that could have kids, a wife, a husband, a mother, a father enough to make you think if i give a little and my neighbour gives a little, and we can save that man/woman instead of see him dead?

1 Do you even understand what I'm trying to say? 500 dollars would be given to you for you to pay for insurance, so you WOULDN'T have to pay 500,000 for a heart transplant. 500,000 divided by a few neighbors is more than a little.
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#10 wiistation36000
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Ok, this seems like a good idea to me, but I don't know what you guys think.

Instead of completely changing the health care system, why not just give every American a decent wad of cash that must be spent on health insurance per month. This way people would get the care they need, the insurance companies would prosper (sure, they're filthy rich as it is, but if it helps the people as well why not?), and not much* money would be spent in the end.

*Ok, that actually would come out to a hefty sum, but nothing compared to what they're proposing.

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So let me get this straight... You want Obama to take government money and hand it back to the people to spend on health care...money that comes from taxpayers. -so he is going to take my money, then give it back to me, and tell me how to spend it...me thinks I will just cut out the middle man

Getting money back from the government is good, it's called tax breaks :? He already takes money in taxes, I really hope you're not trying to say we shouldn't have tax. Not everyone (in fact, I bet a lot of people won't) spend it on healthcare, and then they'll just complain about not having it.