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#2 SargentD
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@agent_stroud said:

@sargentd: He said nothing about being requested by a family member or whatever Buttercup said, hence why I wanted to read Buttercup’s source since that’s the first time I’ve heard of it. Not sure why there’s such an issue with Buttercup providing the source, but whatever.

You provided the source bud, Romero basically said he removed it because dumb pussies couldn't handle seeing an evil symbol in a "cute kids game"

I also put a swastika in Doom's E1M4 as a Wolf3D reference, but I changed it later for the exact same reason."

lol

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@agent_stroud said:

@uninspiredcup: That’s not what the Doom Wiki (the real one, not the Fandom one) says, bud. Wanna try again? 😏

The version of E1M4 in Doom 1.0 contained an inverted swastika-shaped structure (see the map to the right), in homage to Wolfenstein 3D. It was later changed to a traditionally oriented swastika in version 1.2. The symbol was changed again in version 1.4, this time to a shape that only loosely resembles a swastika, shifting the vertical connectors horizontally outward. The Atari Jaguar port of Doom, based on version 1.2, instead chose to delete the vertical appendages altogether.

In regards to this, John Romero has commented:[4]

"Yes, [in Commander Keen 5] there is a swastika in one of the levels, one of my levels to be exact, but I removed it shortly after the game was released because people were upset that an evil symbol was in a cute kid's game (the changed version is in the screenshot). It was a premonition of things to come, namely, Wolfenstein 3D. I also put a swastika in Doom's E1M4 as a Wolf3D reference, but I changed it later for the exact same reason."

https://doomwiki.org/wiki/E1M4:_Command_Control_(Doom)

I think right there.. you proved cup right with the quote by John Romero.. lolol

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#4  Edited By SargentD
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@agent_stroud said:

@sargentd: Same

See none of this matters

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@agent_stroud said:

@sargentd: You first.

0 don't give a shit

Your turn

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@agent_stroud: Not asking Sony I'm asking you. On a scale of 1-10

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@agent_stroud: hey on a scale of 1-10

How offended were you when you found out that one of the walls in stellar bade had the word Hard written in graffiti near a neon sign that had an R on it. On a scale of 1-10 just curious how high this ranks in offensiveness.

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#8 SargentD
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@uninspiredcup said:
@agent_stroud said:

@uninspiredcup: Fun fact, that same room got censored by id in later patches of Doom, so effectively you proved the other user’s point completely by accident. 😏

Didn't know this. Found this image completely randomly from nothing with no research in 30 seconds.

Thank you for this incredible fact. (le smug)

Although from this incredible fact, seem to be missing the part (which I didn't know) of it being removed from a military veterans request out of respect by Romero, otherwise it would have stayed.

Or that they tried to link it with school shootings from outrage groups. Or that it was partially banned in Germany for 17 years.

Which in actuality, would nullify any supposed point and in fact, make me even more right.

Which is remarkable.

Reminds me of when Wolfenstein 2 censored Hitlers silly mustache 🤣

"Yeah it's literaly hitler... but atleast we got rid of the mustache.. we good Germany??"

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#9 SargentD
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@uninspiredcup said:
@Vaasman said:

The point I'm making is that you're claim that it's "pussies" that wrote about this is a trash stance.

This was factually correct. They are also idiots.

Overall it's a fairly excellent point I made.

@Vaasman said:

It would be like if a dev accidentally drew a swastika in some otherwise innocuous pattern,

That'd be pretty crazy.

Lmao!

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#10 SargentD
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Glad the game is being well received.

Unfortunately won't play it unless it gets ported to PC or SX.

(Damn Sony money hat strikes again)