have to remember in respects to hd gaming, that no game on 360 occupys more than 6gb at the moment, thats a clear 2 gb left to play with and its taken agaes to get that full, so got a few years left yet, by which time i reckon 360 will be hard drive only. It makes sense as imagine a world where you can't sell on games to buy more. Thats their plan, to stop selling on.