i'll just quickly say that i'm european so honestly .. **** what i think.

I'm intrigued by how many users i see saying "I voted Gary Johnson [Insert comment about how it probably wont do any good]" I hope Johnson gets alot of these votes .. 'Cause then they WILL do some good. Its genuinely viable that you guys can abolish the two party system and thus give libertarian candidates a real chance next election.

'Ello there

For the past 2-3 years i've used a Razer Copperhead mouse and been pretty satisfied with it.

Pros:

The high dpi (not 'high' by modern standards)

the low profile for small hands like mine

The complete non-existence of acceleration

Cons:

The habitual death of the Left Click. After 1-2 years the LBM will start double-clicking or just stop responding. This has happened with 2 Copperheads so far and i gather it is a general Razer problem.

So based on this, which mouse should i get next?

My requirements are the pros listed above and i'd like to avoid mice with weak Left Clicks. I have been looking at the Ikari and Sensei from SteelSeries. In terms of DPI and profile they seem perfect - but i gather they have acceleration which cannot be turned off?

The Zowie mice seem decent too - but their dpi's are too low for my liking.

Any suggestions? my budget is 50-60 bucks but it can increase if there is a mouse out there that'll last me 3+ years and fullfill the requirements.

Thanks in advance!

*bump* Different guy - same question. 

I realize now that i completely misunderstood Cage's Peter-Pan reference. Sorry about that - though it doesn't change my point.

The 'snack' comment is by the way completely hilarious - This pretty much sums up the action in modern danish literature at least (im danish). I can already hear my teacher bait us " .. Maybe the SNACK is a SYMBOL of something!"

Ofcourse the gaming community is totally different from the average book reader - It may, fortunatly, not be possible to redirect gaming in a postmodern direction.

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[QUOTE="guynamedbilly"]Well said on the whole. It's kind of the same thing with movies, not as much with books. If someone says something about a movie being intelligent or mature, it seems they generally are referring to the "arty" type movies like The Fountain or 8.5. It's just a side effect of being human. People want something to make themselves feel better or special. Personally, I think Mr. Cage should be looking at The Walking Dead if he wants to see a "mature" game that is also an engaging experience without tripping over gameplay. I just finished the first episode of that and was very impressed.CarnageHeart

I just think that we, as gamers, should watch out and not 'stand down' and 'surrender' like literature did. Literature let postmodernism take over - and now it is coming to flood gaming too (right now heralded by Mr. Cage) we shouldnt let these morons define 'maturity' and 'intelligence'. We should be proud of our D&D and Warhammer - If we are not, we may end up like litterature did.

Do you read modern fantasy novels? I read more than I game and there's quite a bit of excellent fantasy being written (which I'm sure I'm catching only a fraction of, since I tend to find authors and then stick with them). Think Glen Cook, George RR Martin and Richard Lee Byers.

I'm not sure you understand what i wrote. I dont misrepresent what Cage said i draw parallels between what has happened in literature and what is maybe about to happen in gaming.
Concerning modern fantasy: I read alot of modern fantasy - but i think you missed my point. My point is that mainstream academia frown upon the genre as a whole for not being 'intelligent' or 'mature' their definition of these two words does not allow for the themes that fantasy has traditionally explored and continues to. I dont find George Martin particularily intelligent though. The man makes amazing plots and has a great characterization - but in terms of philosophy the books hasn't got much going for them imo.

Sorry to double-post. I should probably define what i mean with 'intellectually mature' games. I think a game is mature and intelligent when it has RELEVANT point which it is trying to make. A message to convey so to speak.
I'd argue that The Elder Scrolls: Oblivion and Skyrim, while having a so-so story, is still intellectually mature because it - like Tolkien - wants you to be awed by natural beauty. It pedestalizes the 'natural' and the 'grandeur of nature' and this is definitely an intelligent message to get across to people.
Likewise BioShock and Deus Ex are both examples of transhumanism in gaming - While i'd argue that BioShock is the more dystopic of the two while Deus Ex seems more focused on the good aspects of it. In other words these games concern themselves with our future as a species - something that is assuredly relevant and important to think about.

Well said on the whole. It's kind of the same thing with movies, not as much with books. If someone says something about a movie being intelligent or mature, it seems they generally are referring to the "arty" type movies like The Fountain or 8.5. It's just a side effect of being human. People want something to make themselves feel better or special. Personally, I think Mr. Cage should be looking at The Walking Dead if he wants to see a "mature" game that is also an engaging experience without tripping over gameplay. I just finished the first episode of that and was very impressed.guynamedbilly

I just think that we, as gamers, should watch out and not 'stand down' and 'surrender' like literature did. Literature let postmodernism take over - and now it is coming to flood gaming too (right now heralded by Mr. Cage) we shouldnt let these morons define 'maturity' and 'intelligence'. We should be proud of our D&D and Warhammer - If we are not, we may end up like litterature did.

You do have a point - But a game does not neccesarily have to be storydriven to be intellectually mature. The DayZ mod for ARMA 2 is a good example of this. Also games like the Total War series are, i would argue, per definition intelligent entertainment. They certainly fueled my love for history, just like Warcraft and WoW fueled my interest in mythology and polytheistic religions.
I really believe the problem here is one of racism - Some people would write all this off simply because they themselves prefer the more pedantic themes in art.

Are they?
I just read David Cage's comment concerning the industry. But what is a 'mature' game? and how does he define it? imo his own comment is quite revealing. He refers to Peter Pan as 'immature' - well sure its a childrens story but is it not also intelligent and full of interesting themes? assuredly.

I think his comment is a symptom of what has already happened in literature: 'intelligent' and 'mature' art has been redefined to mean 'egocentric', 'pedantic' and microcosmic. Ie if a game/book does not concern itself with human psychology, relationships or family ties it isn't 'mature' or intelligent. This is, in essence, postmodernism and is being heralded + maintained by an ever increasing amount of selfcentered, neo-feminist, pre-menstrual female authors - like Fay Wheldon.
Personally i'd argue that a significant part of fantasy and sci-fi is more intelligent. Within literature i can think of The Lord of The Rings, The Malazan Book of the Fallen, Scott Bakker's somewhat dense books and alot more. Within sci-fi there is Dan Simmons, Greg Bears and several others that i have yet to read (i primarily read fantasy) Common to such literature is a focus on the macrocosmic, the rise and fall of empires, the formation and migration of culture and a contemplation upon religion and magic. In particular LOTR contained a critique of the modern age and a worship of the pre-industrial beauty in nature. My point is this: How is THIS less intelligent than book nr. fivehundredandtwentythree by pissed-off-self-possesed-female number twohundred once again concerning 'why i hate men and what i do about it'.
Is this what David Cage wants to see in gaming!? dear god i hope not. I dont see why themes of family, psychology and relationships should be any better than themes of religion, mythology and culture (stuff that nerds like us thrives upon and that drove Dungeons and dragons + warhammer forward)
Dont get me wrong - there is far too much CoD and shoot-this-and-get-an-achievement within gaming today. But i dont want to see more 'Heavy Rain' -
I want to see more Dark Souls, Journey etc. Dont let this stuff die just because some self obsessed chick with a degree in english literature and psychology tells you it isn't 'mature'. Guess what? Tolkien was a Professor of Anglo-Saxon, how is that not 'mature' or 'intelligent'?