Bingo!!!

You got my point, thanks.

This thread is ignoring the key Question... Why no black box?

BTW regarding the "great value" of orange box. Lets compare it to Half life or even HL2 - over 40 hours of great game play, plus Multi-player including Team Fortress and free mods etc,all for $39 (ok todays $49) typical game price tag. Compare that to the Orange Box.

It not about the great set of games in the orange box; it's simply why didn't Valve release the black box?

Answer,.. Simple to "justify" a higher price (by repacking old product with new.) This is a classic marketing trick to increase revenues. They did it because they could get away with it. That's sad.

I love the product, but I can't read the packaging any other way.

The orange box is a ripoff. There I said it. I said what people are afraid to say!

I own HL2 and Episode 1, so why, why should I pay for them again! It should be a $19-29 dollar black box. Fair is Fair.

If we accept this type of packaging, we will all be stuck paying $50 for 6 hour games in the future. Let us not set a bad trend here.

It's not about the game or quality, its about greedy business practices....