@foxhound_fox said:
@kemar7856 said:
movie was bad rotten tomatoes was spot on watch assault on arkham
-no story at all
-they made amanda waller into this no hearted thug but shes suppose to be exactly like luthor that scene when she shoots all the agents made no sense
-the joker was good but hes not suppose to care for harley at all they got it all wrong
-if all this stuff is happening wheres batman??
-LOL Enchantress that was the worst part of the whole thing the enemies were like the puddy's from power rangers
*** not related but will smith plays his character from bad boys in every movie over rated
- There was a story, it just wasn't well-written/executed.
- I'm not familiar with the comics, so I can't comment on Waller. I enjoyed her character.
- What interpretation of the Joker is canon exactly? You can't say "they got it wrong" when Frank Miller's Joker is entirely different from Bob Kane's Joker, and Heath Ledger's Joker is entirely different from Jack Nicholson's Joker, etc. That was Jared Leto's Joker. The Joker is an archetype, not a set-in-stone character.
- This is happening in Mid-Way City. Batman is in Gotham City, where the flashback showed Harley getting captured. It wasn't that hard to follow along.
- Kudos for the MMPR reference, but I liked Enchantress. There isn't much you can do to introduce an entirely new group of characters to the audience, who are all villains, and not go into over-load mode.
So why no mention of the fact they tried to do too much? Too many characters without much development, and absolutely atrocious editing, like it was done by a film school dropout or amateur Youtuber with Final Cut Pro. These were the real problems of the movie, not your incredibly trivial complaints.
If I may jump in for a bit:
2) Kemar is right on the Waller portion. A lot of Waller was portrayed correctly, but the scene with her shooting all the agents really soured her character because it goes far and beyond anything that she does. She's a pretty fearless character (multiple times unafraid of Batman for instances will others cower before him). She often doesn't trust those with powers, like the JL because they are unaccountable. Which is why she creates units like the Suicide Squad or tech to combat against those with unchecked power. And that is all good and dandy for Waller, it's just that scene really killed off the vibe of a good Waller showing.
3) I don't think Kemar was necessarily going after Leto's performance; but rather, traits about him that are inherent to Joker himself. This isn't a Leto issue per se, more a writer's issue. Joker and Harley's relationship was always a mix of abuse/stockholm syndrome/and bits of "love". He would drop her in a instant if needed, and while there were moments where she would see clarity in Joker's harmful actions towards her, would instantly fall back in "love" with him. In the film, it seemed more like sappy love, which just doesn't fit them. But besides that, I found Leto's Joker to be very weak and unfulfilling personally.
4) Again, I think Kemar's point isn't that this is Gotham vs. Midway City; but rather, the issue of the story. If I remember Suicide Squad correctly, it was stated that these events in the city had been happening for over 3 days before the Suicide Squad showed up. It's kind of hard to omit actual heroes from a city, or as it progressed, world-shaking event. It just goes to the plausibility of the story. Suicide Squad works better dealing with missions that are meant to be under the radar, dirty, and unconventional. Having them do a save-the-world mission felt misplaced and far more than they could handle.
But yes, I do agree with you at the end. They tried to do too much with too many characters with little development. Killer Croc seemed like wasted potential, especially his character design. He is supposed to be taller and more imposing; but instead, we got a smallish, backdrop character. Boomerang? Haha, simply a placeholder person in this arsenal.
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