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#1 Steppy_76
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Because tacking on a 3D virtual GUI to something that can already be accomplished with 3 button clicks in 1/10th the time, doesn't warrant the extreme hype cows are giving it. Back in the 90's movies were showing virtual interfaces where we actually looked through a file cabinet for a word processing document we were working was all nifty, until people realized that it made a fairly quick process a slow and cumbersome one for the sake of "coolness". Home will either be forgotten not long after release, or most of the front end will simply be replaced with the same clickable buttons we already use to navigate. Home is one of those things that sounds cool in concept, but sucks in execution and practicality.
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#2 Steppy_76
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[QUOTE="Kahuna_1"][QUOTE="PS3_3DO"]

[QUOTE="Kahuna_1"]YEAH! It is only 25 months late...BUT YEAH!...this should stop rrod, otherwise MS is screwed.TOAO_Cyrus1

Took Sony four years to fix the DRE problems of the PS2. ;)

Really? I bought my second one in 2003 and it works perfect. Also the PS2s were not dying completely..mostly it was the new games struggling to read...MS's issue is much more extreme, they shoulda shrunk the GPU first..but as long as they fix it, then it is fine.

Yep and I have a launch 360 that still works. Im sure MS had IBM and ATI working on die shrinks at the same time and the GPU is just taking longer.

Actually IBM and Intel have thier own fab plants and usually are a year or so ahead of most every other semiconductor maker. IBM manufactures the CPU's for both the PS3 and the 360, and as such both are at .065 micron process production, soon to be .045 micron. ATI/Nvidia have 3rd parties make chips for them (TMSC, UMC), and it takes them longer to migrate to newer manufacturing processes, and longer for them to get the process mature enough so htat chip yields aren't a problem.
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[QUOTE="Steppy_76"][QUOTE="muff07"][QUOTE="Steppy_76"][QUOTE="XINTSUAI2"]

Do you think that the X360 are doomed now with the strengthening of the PS3/Wii ?

The X360 is only selling well today in the United States, in Europe and Japan is in
last place...

Since the end of 2007, the X360 is selling less and less that the PS3 globally ...
The x360 is doomed to the last place in this generation? Because of Japan and europe?

The xbox1 was the second, and the X360 falling as third? WTF?XINTSUAI2

You do know that the 360 still enjoys almost a 2 million console lead in Europe right? The PS3 does outsell it a month to month basis for the last few months, too bad it outsells it only to the point that it will take 2-3 years to make up that deficit. Let's see the 360 is expanding its lead in the worlds largest market, is roughly standing pat in the 2nd largest market, and is losing in Japan, the smallest of the 3 main markets. Tell me again where the doom comes in?

Acording to a report last month the ps3 will have overtook the 360 in Europe by a date around the end of june.

There are also more ps3's in Europe than America is it currently stands. So think what you will but Europe and America are almost equal in terms of market size.

That is if you go buy the yearly sales totals for Europe. Sony sold over 1 million consoles during the march launch last year. Their monthly sales other than launch is about 150,000 consoles a month. Instead of selling about 500,000 machines for the first three months like a typical year, they got an artificial 500,000+ boost to their sales numbers for the year that won't repeat itself since the machine obviously can't launch again. The PS3 gains roughly 100,000 a month on the 360 if current trends continue, making it at least a year before the PS3 surpasses the 360 in the PS3's best territory.

But the problem is not only the total install base of the X360 be bigger.. the problem is that same the PS3 having less install base, he already sell more games that the X360 in the europe, so, now for the European thirdpartys, the PS3 is the the best platform ... you can imagine when the PS3 surpass the total base of the X360? Globally the PS3 sell only a bit less software that the X360 in the Last month... .. the thirds are seeing this..

Let me guess you saw that recent report that lumped PSP, PS2, and PS3 sales into a single category. The PS3 sold roughly HALF the software the 360 did..I'll see if I can find the link.
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#4 Steppy_76
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That's not the point. The point is, people are being forced to buy something they were told they wouldn't have to buy. And I know plenty of people who don't have an HDD yet & play online. So since games acctually require them now, MS should drop the SKU's without HDD's altogether.

ColoradoKindBud
They are only "forced" to buy it IF they want to play burnout online. Define "plenty" of people you know who bought a core yet play on xbox live...is plenty "one" person? I don't know anybody who has the core at all, much less somebody who games online with one. Yet there is always a Cow who either knows all 10 people that actually game online with the core system...or that had 13 RROD's and also happened to have every single problem that was ever reported with the 360(whether actually confirmed or not). That's the great thing, is if somebody who purchased a core system finds out they need a HDD, one can be purchased...what if a 40 gig PS3 owner decideds they would like BC...they can just get an add-on to support it right? Oh wait, when Sony removes a feature they do it in a way that you can never get it without repurchasing the entire system.
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[QUOTE="Steppy_76"][QUOTE="XINTSUAI2"]

Do you think that the X360 are doomed now with the strengthening of the PS3/Wii ?

The X360 is only selling well today in the United States, in Europe and Japan is in
last place...

Since the end of 2007, the X360 is selling less and less that the PS3 globally ...
The x360 is doomed to the last place in this generation? Because of Japan and europe?

The xbox1 was the second, and the X360 falling as third? WTF?muff07

You do know that the 360 still enjoys almost a 2 million console lead in Europe right? The PS3 does outsell it a month to month basis for the last few months, too bad it outsells it only to the point that it will take 2-3 years to make up that deficit. Let's see the 360 is expanding its lead in the worlds largest market, is roughly standing pat in the 2nd largest market, and is losing in Japan, the smallest of the 3 main markets. Tell me again where the doom comes in?

Acording to a report last month the ps3 will have overtook the 360 in Europe by a date around the end of june.

There are also more ps3's in Europe than America is it currently stands. So think what you will but Europe and America are almost equal in terms of market size.

That is if you go buy the yearly sales totals for Europe. Sony sold over 1 million consoles during the march launch last year. Their monthly sales other than launch is about 150,000 consoles a month. Instead of selling about 500,000 machines for the first three months like a typical year, they got an artificial 500,000+ boost to their sales numbers for the year that won't repeat itself since the machine obviously can't launch again. The PS3 gains roughly 100,000 a month on the 360 if current trends continue, making it at least a year before the PS3 surpasses the 360 in the PS3's best territory.
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#6 Steppy_76
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[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"][QUOTE="ColoradoKindBud"]

I remember MS saying that they would never require the HDD for games & that you could play everything without it by using a memory card. Burnout Paradise requires an HDD for online play, the memory card isn't big enough. And I'm pretty sure that GTAIV will require it as well.

Of course, anyone who gets a 360 without an HDD is kinda gimping themselves anyway, but I knew the games on the 360 would eventually require the HDD even if MS said otherwise initially.

MS should just do away with SKU's that don't have an HDD at this point since games are now actually requiring them for play. Thoughts??

ColoradoKindBud

No offense to core owners but if they bought that version then too bad if they want to play Burnout.

Sometimes when you have a hobby you exchange money for the ability to do the things that are important to you.

For instance, I wanted BC so I payed more money for the 60gig PS3. If BC is not important to you I'm glad you did not have to pay for it in order for you to become a PS3 owner.

How is it too bad for them when MS said that games wouldn't require the HDD to play? The Core owners are probably pissed that they were told one thing & now it's something else.

You can play Burnout on the 360 withOUT a HDD, you just can't play ONLINE without the HDD. No HDD is required to play burnout. How many people who play online have the core/arcade in the first place?
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Do you think that the X360 are doomed now with the strengthening of the PS3/Wii ?

The X360 is only selling well today in the United States, in Europe and Japan is in
last place...

Since the end of 2007, the X360 is selling less and less that the PS3 globally ...
The x360 is doomed to the last place in this generation? Because of Japan and europe?

The xbox1 was the second, and the X360 falling as third? WTF?XINTSUAI2
You do know that the 360 still enjoys almost a 2 million console lead in Europe right? The PS3 does outsell it a month to month basis for the last few months, too bad it outsells it only to the point that it will take 2-3 years to make up that deficit. Let's see the 360 is expanding its lead in the worlds largest market, is roughly standing pat in the 2nd largest market, and is losing in Japan, the smallest of the 3 main markets. Tell me again where the doom comes in?
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[QUOTE="darkslider99"][QUOTE="Punjabiking101"][QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]the problem becomes that even if you phase out the core, you can't remove it from people's living rooms. Plus there's a huge amount of 360 owners who have the 20gb model, which actually only gives you about 13gb of free space, so the problem with what you were saying is even bigger than you thinkheretrix
Microsoft added thing to it if you want all 20gb delete all demos, arcade games, videos and pictures now you have 20gb


:| Do you even own a 360, or are you a fakeboy? :| because most of that 7gb is hardware...not demos and the such...

No it isn't. It's a bunch of promo crap that MS threw on the HD. that and Hexic. You can delete most of that stuff and get back most of that 7 gigs. It was the first thing I did when I got my 360. I believe you can get it to around 16 gigs...

You can get back like 2 of that 7 gigs. There is a few gigs of HDD dedicated as a disk cache.
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#9 Steppy_76
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Despite the DLC for 360, I'll still be getting it on the PS3. I liked the series on the PS2, and went and bought the XBox set and it was the worst mistake I made, the controls were awful and it just didnt seem right.rockydog1111
Good thing the 360 shares an mostly identical layout now with the PS3. The only difference is the placement of the left stick and the d-pad. What does not liking it on the controller S have to do with liking it on the 360 controller? The mapping of the controls will be identical on both.
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#10 Steppy_76
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[QUOTE="PS3_3DO"]

Lead platform is the 360. :D

The_Crucible

and the PS3 version is running equal or better.

With how much more dev time? Over and over we're shown that it takes MORE time and MORE effort to get EQUAL results as the 360. Now a machine that is only 50 dollars more expensive after a 100 dollar price drop and was supposed to be more powerful machine by far makes cows celebrate when it merely matches the 360 while requiring more time effort and money? My how times have changed and the cows have changed their criteria for a "win". Cows used to chant "The PS3 will mop the floor with the 360, the 360 is the new dreamcast", and now they go for "WE GET AN EQUAL VERSION!!!!!!!!, the PS3 can do everything the xbox can!" The 360 was supposed to struggle to keep up, not the PS3, yet now matching it appears to be enough for cows...it's so funny.