the article also talks crap about muslims, but here is a Q, she said she wants to be freed, what freedom is she talking about? another Q, how is getting naked a good example to blend with other cutlures like the article suggested? omho88

Well, the muslims are responding to the crap with death threats...so...

[QUOTE="PRowcester"][QUOTE="m25105"]

No she's an idiot for claiming for doing it for women, but at the same time she's contributing to making women appear as sexual objects. If she appeared on a german talkshow, armed with knowledge, she would have raised a ruckus in the Turkish world too, but at least she wouldn't have objectified herself or give fodder to those that want to argue against her. She did it cause she wanted to be a bad girl, there is really nothing more to it. And if she honestly think she's helping womens right by doing this (which according to the article, strongly hints that way) then she's an idiot.

DroidPhysX

Dude, I wasn't calling him an idiot. I am saying I could. But I wouldn't, ecause I don't think so to begin with. Look...he is educated and all that, but he likes his opinion too much.

I am not even giving my opion strongly here. I am stating, people are free to do whatever they want (within the bounds of law) and not have to be subjected to someone's morality.

[QUOTE="PRowcester"]

[QUOTE="m25105"]

See now you throw out an accusation out that I wish her dead. (The only thing my posting history will reveal to you in this entire thread is that A: I think she's an idiot. And B: explaining (very early pages) the difference between culture and religion). I think I my point towards your comments on page 42 fifth last post is valid.

m25105

No, that's a judgement call I made. Just like you called her an idiot. I am going to call you a person who wishes death on people who disagree with yuor religion.

See how easy it is to judge someone? You call her an idiot because she has different beliefs...that's wrong in my objective opinion.

She is an idiot. She speaks out that she did it for girls that were raised opressed like her. Instead of doing that, she could have used her celebrity to raise the issue by other means, like appearing on television in interviews, articles, blogging it, conducting seminars. Instead she choose "I'm a bad girl and since I don't live with you any more mom and dad I can do what I want" path.

She did what she wanted to do not what you wanted to do. If by that definition, you should be an "idiot" because you don't think and act like I do. OK?

But I don't do that. So you are wrong in thinking everyone should act the way you see fit. That's what makes the west great. People chose what they chose. That;'s it.

[QUOTE="PRowcester"][QUOTE="m25105"]

Well I have photographical evidence (and an article) of her that shows me that she has no strong family morals. You however have no clue what kind of person I am.

m25105

See now you throw out an accusation out that I wish her dead. (The only thing my posting history will reveal to you in this entire thread is that A: I think she's an idiot. And B: explaining (very early pages) the difference between culture and religion). I think I my point towards your comments on page 42 fifth last post is valid.

No, that's a judgement call I made. Just like you called her an idiot. I am going to call you a person who wishes death on people who disagree with yuor religion.

See how easy it is to judge someone? You call her an idiot because she has different beliefs...that's wrong in my objective opinion.

[QUOTE="PRowcester"]

[QUOTE="m25105"]

Certainly not strong family morals.

m25105

Ohh....so you know this women and THEN judged her right? I mean...you spent time with her and got to know her, and then declared her a slut right? Not just randomly spreading your morality on the internet right?

See...you are no better than anyone else man.

Well I have photographical evidence (and an article) of her that shows me that she has no strong family morals. You however have no clue what kind of person I am.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

[QUOTE="m25105"]

Seems like to me, I just have morals.

m25105

Morals are completely subjective. The way you phrased it, you made it sound like he/she does not have any morals.

Certainly not strong family morals.

Ohh....so you know this women and THEN judged her right? I mean...you spent time with her and got to know her, and then declared her a slut right? Not just randomly spreading your morality on the internet right?

See...you are no better than anyone else man.

[QUOTE="Birdy09"][QUOTE="CreasianDevaili"] Didn't the woman in question specifically mention that a big factor in doing this was to rebel against the childhood inhibitor of her parent's culture? I would say, in this instance, it would appear that her reasonings were largely in part on being a "bad girl" at least to the above. She can do what she wants, and should since she deals with the consenquences, but I think you are on the wrong side of the thought process on this particular case.m25105

I'm sure people that rub themselves over her pictures will think of how brave she is for breaking the norm.

Seems to me like you are the pervert here man! Who even talked about rubbing themselves!!

So you guys think that a person showing themselves naked is a moral thing? :?

Jak-25

Do you think eating burgers is a moral thing? do you think drinking coffee in the morning is a moral thing? Do you think writing with your left hand is a moral thing? Do you think posing nude is a moral thing?

See? I see nothing "immoral" about any of those.

I don't encourage it. I only step in when people bring their morality into the picture. For or against.

If someone said, all women should pose naked, I would oppose that too (only the hot ones should ! :P )

But seriously, extremisim in one form or another - I oppose.

Especially when you are rubbing your morality in my face, like a tea bagger!

you judge fast

m25105

Call me anything you want. Seriously. Go ahead. Don't call me judgemental. Especially when it comes to women and human rights.

I support every woman's wish to be naked without presecution! And I support gay rights. Which your awesome religion and family values don't. So in my objective opinion, they are bad and evil. :P