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#1 IronBeaver
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@Netherscourge said:

@loco145 said:

"Record snowfall & freezing temps throughout the country. Where is Global Warming when you need it?!"

Yea, because two weeks of record lows in portions of some countries means the other 50 weeks in the rest of the world are irrelevant.

Again, some people don't know the difference between weather and climate. And when they try to back themselves up with data, it is always cherry picked.

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If you added Radiohead this list would go from a B- to an A+.

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@Jacobistheman said:

@IronBeaver said:

@Jacobistheman said:

@BossPerson said:

nah, pumping millions of tons of co2 into the atmosphere does nothing

Of all of the heat retained in our atmosphere, about 1/3 of it is a result of CO2 (.28% to be exact), nearly 99% of greenhouse effects come from water vapor in the atmosphere. There is a total of 368 parts per million of CO2 in the atmosphere, and 12 of that came from Humans. that means that .009 of a percent of the total greenhouse effect comes from human made CO2. That isn't zero effect, but its pretty close.

Yeah the CO2 is little, but it is really about how it drives climate, not overwhelms it. I like to think about the other 99% of whatever gasses in the atmosphere as a bulldozer. A bulldozer just sitting there isn't much of a threat now, is it? Now imagine you put Trevor Philips at the controls. Trevor Philips is the CO2.

I would direct anyone with climate change questions to this site. I have a bit of an environmental science background but I have also worked with environmental NGOs. This site does a good job at being able to refute the people who's wallets are threatened by anthropogenic warming. http://skepticalscience.com/

I saw a scientist on one of those talking heads shows the other night, when discussing how Faux News is saying this cold weather proves anthropogenic warming false say, "well whats happening right now is a phenomenon scientists call 'winter'." Seriously, just because the climate has been warming especially fast from man made activities since the dawn of the industrial age doesn't mean winter has stopped. Weather is ultimately chaotic, climate much less so.

And Australia is cooking right now.

You completely miss understood what I said (and the facts). It contributes .28% to greenhouse effect, meaning that .28% of heat trapped in the atmosphere is trapped by CO2. It isn't .28% of the atmosphere itself. CO2 makes up 0.0387% of the atmosphere.

Retaining .009% more heat in the atmosphere will not change the climate. The average temperature on earth is 278.15K. If there were no man-made CO2 in the atmosphere, the temperature would be 287.13K (because it retains .00009 less heat). Man made CO2 contributes .025K or .025C/.047F degree change to the atmosphere.

The fact that you worked for an environmental NGO doesn't make you a credible source of information. The #1 priority of any organization (Governments, Businesses, NGOs, Non-Profits) is self preservation. In order for a Environmental NGO to survive, there must be environmental problems. They are also filled with people who tend to believe in Man made climate change. Those two things contribute to the fact that they severely overstate environmental problems--"their wallets are thretened by the lack of anthropogenic warming" you might say.

You can go on believing that anyone trying to argue with you is under the influence of "people whose wallets are threatened by anthropogenic warming", or you could look at the data and draw real conclusions. (Also, the earth is cooler on average than it was 150, 500, and 5000 years ago)

Last, you should post a link to an article that refutes what I said instead of some random website.

Here is the specific thing you wanted. http://skepticalscience.com/empirical-evidence-for-co2-enhanced-greenhouse-effect.htm

And it's not a random website, it is run by climatologists and frequently updated. There is data and links and discussion all over. What else could you want?

On that note, this conversation isn't going anywhere since you have decided my background amongst climate scientists and environmental scientists is illegitimate, as well as this website. And thus you are implying the that nearly 100% of climate scientists believe that climate change is man made, as well that the 95% certainty of the IPCC, are wrong.

You wouldn't happen to be someone who believes cigarettes don't cause cancer also, are you?

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#4  Edited By IronBeaver
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@Jacobistheman said:

@BossPerson said:

nah, pumping millions of tons of co2 into the atmosphere does nothing

Of all of the heat retained in our atmosphere, about 1/3 of it is a result of CO2 (.28% to be exact), nearly 99% of greenhouse effects come from water vapor in the atmosphere. There is a total of 368 parts per million of CO2 in the atmosphere, and 12 of that came from Humans. that means that .009 of a percent of the total greenhouse effect comes from human made CO2. That isn't zero effect, but its pretty close.

Yeah the CO2 is little, but it is really about how it drives climate, not overwhelms it. I like to think about the other 99% of whatever gasses in the atmosphere as a bulldozer. A bulldozer just sitting there isn't much of a threat now, is it? Now imagine you put Trevor Philips at the controls. Trevor Philips is the CO2.

I would direct anyone with climate change questions to this site. I have a bit of an environmental science background but I have also worked with environmental NGOs. This site does a good job at being able to refute the people who's wallets are threatened by anthropogenic warming. http://skepticalscience.com/


I saw a scientist on one of those talking heads shows the other night, when discussing how Faux News is saying this cold weather proves anthropogenic warming false say, "well whats happening right now is a phenomenon scientists call 'winter'." Seriously, just because the climate has been warming especially fast from man made activities since the dawn of the industrial age doesn't mean winter has stopped. Weather is ultimately chaotic, climate much less so.

And Australia is cooking right now.

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@SUD123456 said:

Publicly traded companies are officially listed and traded on one or more stock exchanges. Stock exchanges are separate entities, which process all the bureaucracy around trades. A trade requires a seller and a buyer to agree on a sale price. If you own a share you 'tell' the exchange that you are willing to sell and at what price. If you are a buyer you 'tell' the exchange what price you are willing to pay. If a match is made then a trade is completed and recorded by the exchange which posts how many shares at what price were traded.

The total number of shares a company has is fixed, known by everyone, widely published, and tracked by the exchange. A trade does not affect the total number of shares, it just transfers ownership from one person to another. Companies can issue additional shares to raise more money, which normally reduces the perceived value of all pre-existing shares since existing shareholders would automatically own less of the company if new shares are issued. This is called dilution. It does happen, but companies have to be careful when and why they would do this so they don't piss off existing shareholders. The opposite is also true in that companies can buy back their own shares, which raises the value of all remaining shares as there are fewer shareholders that would then own the company.

Each day the exchange is open, normally Mon thru Fri, except holidays, people can offer to buy or sell shares of companies traded on that exchange. The opening price for the day is the closing price the previous day (not always because of news, afterhours trading etc). All that means is that the exchange publishes every trade and the close is simply the value paid at the end of the day by the last traders. At all points through the day, the price can go up or down depending on who is willing to buy or sell at what price. It is completely dynamic and the opening or closing prices are no more or less important than at any other point in the day. There is no averaging per se; the published value is what the last buyers and sellers agreed upon, but the very next trade could be higher or lower so current value is always dynamic. Looking at the last few trades can give you an idea of price, but that doesn't guarantee anything.

Currency is valued and traded the same way. A countries central bank is like a company only instead of shares it is money. They can print more money which reduces the value of their currency relative to others. And they can buy and sell debt like a company can buy and sell its own shares. In any case, central banks make certain policy decisions etc, and the results of those decisions play out in currency markets like stock markets.

Oh my god, yes. This. Perfect, thanks so much.

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#6 IronBeaver
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@Barbariser said:

Seriously people? This isn't even that technical a topic, he's not asking how exchange rates or stock prices are determined, he's asking who measures and presents them and how they do it. It's actually a pretty good question because it's quite a feat for a stock index or FOREX (I am only well versed enough in finance to answer the "who" part) to adjust their prices and other data accurately in literally every day or every few seconds.

haha, yes! thank you. I think people are having trouble understanding me because its an unusual question.

So again, how exactly are these numbers determined? Are they averages?

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@LoG-Sacrament said:

@deeliman said:

@LoG-Sacrament said:

nobody sets stock market prices and nobody sets exchange rates (unless they are pegged). it's your basic supply and demand graph.

That's not entirely true; countries who have their own currency can print out more of that currency to artificially inflate the prices for example.

yeah, but it's not really done a lot on purpose. it's mainly in times of high desperation or a near crazy desire to get hit with tariffs.

the TC is looking for homework help on what appears to be an early macro class. i doubt their teacher wants much from them on this assignment than an understanding of supply and demand.

You're probably right. But you would think that supply and demand would be something you learn in the first lesson of macroeconomics.

This actually isn't school related haha. What I mean is, where do the "points" come from and the "percent"? They cannot be arbitrary. Is it just an averaging of reported sale prices? I mean, stock prices go down when people are trying to get rid of shares before they are totally worthless.

I am sorry if you guys don't understand.

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@deeliman said:

@LoG-Sacrament said:

@deeliman said:

@LoG-Sacrament said:

nobody sets stock market prices and nobody sets exchange rates (unless they are pegged). it's your basic supply and demand graph.

That's not entirely true; countries who have their own currency can print out more of that currency to artificially inflate the prices for example.

yeah, but it's not really done a lot on purpose. it's mainly in times of high desperation or a near crazy desire to get hit with tariffs.

the TC is looking for homework help on what appears to be an early macro class. i doubt their teacher wants much from them on this assignment than an understanding of supply and demand.

You're probably right. But you would think that supply and demand would be something you learn in the first lesson of macroeconomics.

This actually isn't school related haha. What I mean is, where do the "points" come from and the "percent"? They cannot be arbitrary. Is it just an averaging of reported sale prices? I mean, stock prices go down when people are trying to get rid of shares before they are totally worthless.

I am sorry if you guys don't understand.

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#8  Edited By IronBeaver
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*Note, if this turns into a debate, I will shut this mother DOWN.*

So my first question is, who actually "sets" the exchange rate? I know that some countries peg their currencies, but in a lot of places the exchange rate is determined by demand and what not, but, what office or agency literally is adjusting these numbers?

And second, the same question is for the stock market. Who is literally deciding and updating the numbers?

Maybe I am missing something? Thanks ahead..

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#10 IronBeaver
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title says it all. I am looking through all the games I follow and see all this news that has happened since the new GS site, but I never got notifcations. What gives?