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I don't believe in Greek Mythology either TC, and I do strongly believe in God and in His son Jesus Christ.
I love this one - "So if you believe in God, then you must believe Santa Clause exists as well." As was told to me by one ignorant Atheist I met before. I was too busy laughing at the comment and took me awhile to get my composure to be able to reply to him.
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[QUOTE="ferrari2001"] I believe that, that phrase was more centered towards defining who is thine neighbor. Interestingly enough, hate thy enemy doesn't appear in the Lords Old Testament Law, in fact it says in Leviticus19:18 "Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against one of your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the LORD". Thy neighbor was interpreted as those of the tribe of Israel (almost a literal Neighbor) Those not of the tribe were hated and almost persecuted by the Israelites, in fact Samaritans were considered enemies. Just like in the parable of the good Samaritan Jesus tries to teach that, all peoples are you neighbor, he actually attempts to get that point across many times in scripture. If your interpretation of that passage is correct than Jesus blatantly contradicts himself just a few verses earlier when he clearly says He is not there to abolish the true law.
ferrari2001
No contradiction at all. You are referring to this I believe.
"Think not that I am come to destroythelaw, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil."
Fulfil means to bring to an end, finish, or complete, develop the full potential of (making better), to bring to realization. I fail to see the contradiction.
Fulfil does not mean to bring to and end or finish. In fact in the Greek Translation it means more to the effect of:
to make full,
to fill up to carry through to the end,
to accomplish, carry out, of sayings, promises, prophecies, to bring to pass, ratify,
accomplish or to fulfil, i.e. to cause God's will (as made known in the law) to be obeyed as it should be, and God's promises (given through the prophets) to receive fulfilment.
Christ is not over-riding and old laws but rather teaching them how to obey these laws as they should, because the pharisees were not obeying them correctly but rather incorrectly. As correctly interpreted (ie. not the ways the pharisees did) all of God's old Laws still stand, but you must interpret those laws as Christ clarifies in the sermon on the mount.
I still fail to see any contradiction even how you define it.
Either way, it seems we both agree that Jesus Christ is teaching how we should live. This was my point to begin with and is why Christians do not follow the OT laws, but the Law Jesus taught.
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[QUOTE="ferrari2001"] "Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven."
However it's good to note, the Pharisees were the ones who "followed the laws to the greatest regard. They followed the human instituionalized laws, not given by God. Jesus never abolishes the laws the God provided, nor does he acknowledge the laws of the Pharisees which were not even laws to begin with. The beatitudes are meant to be a clearer expansion of His laws and commands.
ferrari2001
Mathew 5: 43 -Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbor and hate thine enemy (Law of Moses)
Mathew 5:44 -But I say unto you, Loveyour enemies,blessthem thatcurseyou, do goodto them that hateyou, and prayfor them which despitefully use you, and persecuteyou; (The New Law)
There are many throughout the 5th, 6th, and 7th chapters of Mathew. This is where Jesus Christ over wrote many of these laws in the OT.
In the Law of Moses, it has been said an Eye for Eye, Tooth for a Tooth. The Law of Moses or the Mosaic Law as it is sometimes called had people hating others. Jesus Christ did away with this by teaching Love and compassion.
This is just one example of what Jesus Christ preached on the Sermon on the Mount.
No contradiction at all. You are referring to this I believe.
"Think not that I am come to destroythelaw, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil."
Fulfil means to bring to an end, finish, or complete, develop the full potential of (making better), to bring to realization. I fail to see the contradiction.
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[QUOTE="ferrari2001"] "Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven."
However it's good to note, the Pharisees were the ones who "followed the laws to the greatest regard. They followed the human instituionalized laws, not given by God. Jesus never abolishes the laws the God provided, nor does he acknowledge the laws of the Pharisees which were not even laws to begin with. The beatitudes are meant to be a clearer expansion of His laws and commands.
GabuEx
Mathew 5: 43 -Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbor and hate thine enemy (Law of Moses)
Mathew 5:44 -But I say unto you, Loveyour enemies,blessthem thatcurseyou, do goodto them that hateyou, and prayfor them which despitefully use you, and persecuteyou; (The New Law)
There are many throughout the 5th, 6th, and 7th chapters of Mathew. This is where Jesus Christ over wrote many of these laws in the OT.
In the Law of Moses, it has been said an Eye for Eye, Tooth for a Tooth. The Law of Moses or the Mosaic Law as it is sometimes called had people hating others. Jesus Christ did away with this by teaching Love and compassion.
This is just one example of what Jesus Christ preached on the Sermon on the Mount.
"Hate thine enemy" in that verse (must we use the KJV? :P) does not have any footnotes in any Bibles, because it doesn't come from the Hebrew Bible; he's saying that humans have said as much, and they're out to lunch.
He was referring to the Law of Moses. Jesus then stated what we should now be doing. The Law of Moses was given way back in one of the books of Moses, but it's late and don't have time to look that up. Is this the KJV (I can never remember :(
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[QUOTE="ferrari2001"] Yes the sermon on the mount from Mt 5: 17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished."ferrari2001
That's not the entire thing :?
"Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven."However it's good to note, the Pharisees were the ones who "followed the laws to the greatest regard. They followed the human instituionalized laws, not given by God. Jesus never abolishes the laws the God provided, nor does he acknowledge the laws of the Pharisees which were not even laws to begin with. The beatitudes are meant to be a clearer expansion of His laws and commands.
Mathew 5: 43 -Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbor and hate thine enemy (Law of Moses)
Mathew 5:44 -But I say unto you, Loveyour enemies,blessthem thatcurseyou, do goodto them that hateyou, and prayfor them which despitefully use you, and persecuteyou; (The New Law)
There are many throughout the 5th, 6th, and 7th chapters of Mathew. This is where Jesus Christ over wrote many of these laws in the OT.
In the Law of Moses, it has been said an Eye for Eye, Tooth for a Tooth. The Law of Moses or the Mosaic Law as it is sometimes called had people hating others. Jesus Christ did away with this by teaching Love and compassion.
This is just one example of what Jesus Christ preached on the Sermon on the Mount.
[QUOTE="GTbiking4life"][QUOTE="ferrari2001"] No Christ said "I have not come to over ride the old law but rather to fulfill it." What people actually fail to realize is that many parts of the old testament laws are interpretations made by the priests and prophets of the time. The Jewish laws that in Jesus' time were out of control. Because the OT is suppose to be a foreshadow to Christ, it shows how the Jewish people acted and interpreted the laws inappropriately. Very few laws besides the 10 commandments and few words of the prophets were actually given by God in the bible. Most of the laws and regulations we see in the OT were set up via human institution. ferrari2001
Actually you need to read the Sermon on the Mount.
Yes the sermon on the mount from Mt 5: 17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished."That's not the entire thing :?
[QUOTE="GTbiking4life"][QUOTE="escapeoftheape"] from my experience, christians have a tendency to look away from the "bad" part of the bible.. namely the old testament. what many of them dont seem to realize, though, was that both of them contain Gods words. so, if you think the old testament is horrible.. then well, that means you think god is horrible.ferrari2001
What many people do not seem to realize is that Jesus Christ over-wrote many of the OT laws when he gave the Sermon on the Mount in the NT.
Yes I am a Christian.
No Christ said "I have not come to over ride the old law but rather to fulfill it." What people actually fail to realize is that many parts of the old testament laws are interpretations made by the priests and prophets of the time. The Jewish laws that in Jesus' time were out of control. Because the OT is suppose to be a foreshadow to Christ, it shows how the Jewish people acted and interpreted the laws inappropriately. Very few laws besides the 10 commandments and few words of the prophets were actually given by God in the bible. Most of the laws and regulations we see in the OT were set up via human institution.Actually you need to read the Sermon on the Mount.
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[QUOTE="escapeoftheape"] from my experience, christians have a tendency to look away from the "bad" part of the bible.. namely the old testament. what many of them dont seem to realize, though, was that both of them contain Gods words. so, if you think the old testament is horrible.. then well, that means you think god is horrible.theone86
What many people do not seem to realize is that Jesus Christ over-wrote many of the OT laws when he gave the Sermon on the Mount in the NT.
Yes I am a Christian.
According to one interpretation. One could also look at such an explanation as a convienent excuse, as soon as there's a contradiction in Biblical scripture there's an attempt made to rectify it with a new explanation. However, if the Bible is the word of god why was there a contradiction in the first place and why wasn't the explanation included in the Bible itself?
I don't know what your interpretation is but it all seems clear to me and I have read the Bible and studied it multiple times over a span of 20 years.
[QUOTE="Stanley09"]No way I believe in god. For those of you that do; do you really believe everything in the bible?escapeoftheapefrom my experience, christians have a tendency to look away from the "bad" part of the bible.. namely the old testament. what many of them dont seem to realize, though, was that both of them contain Gods words. so, if you think the old testament is horrible.. then well, that means you think god is horrible.
What many people do not seem to realize is that Jesus Christ over-wrote many of the OT laws when he gave the Sermon on the Mount in the NT.
Yes I am a Christian.
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