[QUOTE="Dark_Arkitect"]

[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

People will support a*****e hackers like this guy yet won't support developers. WTF is wrong with the gaming community?

ChubbyGuy40

...and where is your proof that developers aren't supported?Or is this idle troll chatter?Just wonder where these "facts" you state are gathered.

No offense by the way.I'm just reading a lot of this sort of thing lately and want to know where it all comes from....outside of so and so business lays off x amount of workforce.That's not due to lack of support.That's due to a lot of people don't have the $$ to shell out on every game that comes out,or a mediocre game that last 6 hours in campaign,or a IP that comes out rehashed every year.

With all the bs games that come out and the sales of games down because of them....great games like Mirrors Edge 2 gets cancelled.The developers are supported.Just not the ones that make garbage.Cancel that,cause imo cod bo is garbage and look at the support that gets.

Wheres the proof that piracy won't be a problem with this jailbreak? Just because someone says so, doesn't mean it wasn't intended or true. Thats what I hate the most about this guy and that other team. The sleeping giant didn't want to be disturbed and now it sounds like they're begging for mercy. I, for one don't understand why anyone wants to run custom firmware and apps on their consoles. Why, when its so much easier (and legal) on PC? Why deal with the hassle, compatibility, and other things? What more do you need to do on your PS3? If you want a functioning PC, well you already have one. Freedom? Pretty sure you never had even the thought of running this stuff off the PS3.

You are correct though. Game prices are really high and now its finally flooding over to PC. Development costs, licensing fees, and publisher fees. They're killing themselves and thats why indie devs are very successful these days.

"Why, when its so much easier (and legal) on PC?" This!

I could not agree with your more here.This is where it all boils down to pirating on consoles.The console player does not usually play PC games,outside of one or two.

The PC is the most free realm of all...but console players don't even to begin to know this (not knocking anyone btw).The hackers never bothered me.The modders and cheaters on the other hand.Yes,Geohotz & F.0. could have went about the otherOS and options features in a whole different manner.Quite pompous indeed.If it were went about differently,this matter wouldn't be where it is.

People will support a*****e hackers like this guy yet won't support developers. WTF is wrong with the gaming community?

ChubbyGuy40

...and where is your proof that developers aren't supported?Or is this idle troll chatter?Just wonder where these "facts" you state are gathered.

No offense by the way.I'm just reading a lot of this sort of thing lately and want to know where it all comes from....outside of so and so business lays off x amount of workforce.That's not due to lack of support.That's due to a lot of people don't have the $$ to shell out on every game that comes out,or a mediocre game that last 6 hours in campaign,or a IP that comes out rehashed every year.

With all the bs games that come out and the sales of games down because of them....great games like Mirrors Edge 2 gets cancelled.The developers are supported.Just not the ones that make garbage.Cancel that,cause imo cod bo is garbage and look at the support that gets.

Good, I hope he wins. Geo is a moron and I won't deny that but if he loses the case it sets a precedent that tinkering with hardware I purchased can get me sued. I'm hoping he wins but also gets slammed somehow to learn a bit of humility.

Whiteblade999

^^This cept disagree on the moron part.He's obviously a genius looking at his track record.....but yes his cockiness behavior needs to be bought way down.Also it's not the Hardware Sony is going after him about.It's the software.

[QUOTE="Dark_Arkitect"]

Now what others have done using the keys is on THEM,not Geohotz.Such a big deal,but wasn't when he did the same with the iphone,ipad,etc

Funny how hypocritical a lot of people are....as they sit there and trash talk the man while using a cracked iphone or another piece of hardware he unlocked that you may use.Just my two cents.

-ArchAngeL-777-

Interesting read and now I must research this as well.I do agree with "point 1",but I would just say cheats,and piracy have been abused.I wouldn't tend to agree with hacks in the gaming community as much as I would say,cracks and mods.On your point 2,can you provide a link please?I would like to have a further read on the estimates.I have read a few different estimates and would just like to compare the articles.

..but yes I also agree with the exclusive agreement situation,and also your valid argument of the DMCA cover.

Now Geohotz cockiness and knowing what could and would happen here,is irrelevant in this case.Yes,he deserves part of the blame for doing it so publicly,in a manner to try and go head to head with Sony.I just don't believe that it should just be all be on him,the way it stands.He is taking a pretty big hit for the actions of others.Think of it like this.I release a guns modification schematics,you use those schematics to modify your gun,then go kill someone.Sure there's a chance I know that someone may kill someone using these modifications,but am I to blame for that?Not the greatest example but you get where i'm coming from.

Even if he started the chain reaction,he still didn't go out and say ok people....here's what you should do.Your 4th point is a major rarity.Your are in the minor percentage of people that do not pirate in any form or fashion.

Tbh,i think him and the Sony execs and lawyers should have a sit down after all of this and maybe talk about offering the guy a job.If anyones going to be able to keep security nice and tight,it will be people like him.That's just imo.

and is there proof that this money is going to lawyers at all?hiryu3

Well i sure don't think he is going to use it to throw a party or go on a vacation.He has a big publicly known case.The man is a genius and very smart,no matter if you like him or not.That was kind of a silly question.

One would think no matter who you are,you would be thinking about this case if it was your ball court.Well,individuals with common sense would any way.

So many misinformed and uneducated posts i'm reading through here.Quick question.How many of you have downloaded music,movies,an applicaton,etc?

So yes your all pirates.I see a lot of people saying "Geohotz messed up online gaming for us legitimate players"...wrong.You dont need cfw to mod a game,i.e. mw2 etc.

Also there is a lot of misleading statements going on.Geohotz is a hacker.There is a difference between a hacker,cracker,modder,etc.

People say "well Geohotz released the keys,so it's his fault Sony is taking a loss".Well for one,Sony isn't taking any loss whatsoever.The arguments i've seen about the Ps2 being modded etc.....Sony has taken zero loss from that as the Ps2 is still leading the console sales.

It's like saying well limewire was harming the listening experience for us legitimate music listeners.It doesn't work that way.

People are ready to burn GH at the stake.Though none of the cheating and modding or pirated games etc have anything to do with the man.The reality of it is,they have everything to do with the modding scene people.Not GH.

Just stating facts that need to be stated,reading a lot of these posts.You can hate on GH all you want to,but get some concrete facts behind your words and not just what the main media says...cause that says you'll be believe anything you see or hear right off the bat.What he did is not illegal,and I hope he takes Sony through the ringer on this one,for big corporation powertrip purposes.My Ps3 is not modded,cracked,hacked,etc,so I can argue this from facts and not a cfw user point of view.

The witch hunt Sony is trying to pull is foul in every sense.Sure...don't take it lying down,but then don't start some almighty most powerful corporation in the world dictatorship gestapo bs.

Now what others have done using the keys is on THEM,not Geohotz.Such a big deal,but wasn't when he did the same with the iphone,ipad,etc

Funny how hypocritical a lot of people are....as they sit there and trash talk the man while using a cracked iphone or another piece of hardware he unlocked that you may use.Just my two cents.

Gonna have to say Psyconauts and Armed and Dangerous on the orig xbox.Two very underrated games.

The Last Guardian

hyksiu

^This

Well.With Infinity Wards key players not with the company any longer.One must wonder if it will be as good as the past MW's.

As for a MW being released in2011.I'm sure there will be.Activision isn't done milking the yearly releases of this franchise.

You get 1 free bearclaw.