I'm not saying I'm right or wrong, I'm attempting to open people's minds a bit.

As for Evolution, I'm very skeptical. I don't think religion plays much into what I think of Evolution. This is the problem I've posed:

As things Evolve they leave their previous form behind. For instance, at one point Dolphins had legs and could walk AND swim. As they evolved, they lost their legs and are now primarily Swimmers. If we evolved from Chimps, then I can't see how there's still Chimps in existence. Very skeptical.

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[QUOTE="helium_flash"]Because the big bang theory involves SCIENCE. Religion provides NO answers to any of the questions on how the universe was created, except how 'everything got there.'sSubZerOo

Ask a question to a Scientist and he'll give you "estimated" (if you will) answers. Ask a Priest and he'll tell you the story of Man. Either way, they're both telling stories that haven't been proven or disproven. Stop taking theories as fact and open your damn eyes for a change.

Shut up you conceited jerk. Now you're just BS'ing and it's so obvious. "Ask a question to a Scientist and he'll give you "estimated" (if you will) answers." WELL NO CRAP! Science involves HUGE numbers, nothing that you can just do in your head. If you ask a priest these questions, he'll just say "God made it that way." Yea, great explanation.

Scientists are able to answer many questions with more than 'estimates' (what an obscure answer). The universe IS expanding, which means that if we just turn back the clock, everything came from ONE POINT, which is where the big bang comes in. There have been many theories to how the universe was created, and the Big Bang theory has been the most accurate to what scientists have found. There are still holes in it, but as time progresses i'm sure scientists will be able to figure out those problems.

So, do you also consider every other theory to how the universe was created? Or do you just pick and choose?

Religion doesn't use ANY evidence, and doesn't provide any logic in it, just blind faith. I think YOU should open your eyes to that.

First off, how am I conceited in any way? Sorry for trying to diversify the mood a bit, I guess you're all just so damn close minded that you can't even be accepting of people who see it any other way than your own.

The universe is expanding, no doubt. Let's take a moment and combine creationism with Science. I know it's extremely contradictory but just bear with me. Let's assume God comes about and creates the Universe. He throws in a way for things to start expanding. We come into play as inhabitants of Planet Earth later on and stuff starts expanding. We make theories that the Big Bang happened and that everything's been expanding since the beginning (sigularity).

If someone sees a basketball bouncing, did somebody make it bounce, or did it fall off the balcony from some wind? You wouldn't know unless you were there when it happened.

.... Thats the funny part science doesn't say on what caused the ball to fall.. Just that it fell.. Religion some how magically knows who dropped the ball yet they were not there..

Science for the most part has found evidence that there was s explosion that brought the birth of the universe, not what neccesarly caused it (there are theories but not anything thats accepted or even thought about) or why it happened.

Creationism knows eactly how, why and who did it, by your argument alone Creationism is far more contridictory then any ideas of Science..

If Science just says "The Ball fell" then that's just as simple as "God made the Universe". Congratulations, you've just contradicted yourself.

There wasn't an EXPLOSION for Christ's sake (lol, Christ...) it was an Expansion, slow and steady.  If there was an Explosion, we could go on and on about what exploded and how it went about exploding.

Creationism doesn't know "How, why, and who did it", otherwise everything would be clear.

By the way, the argument "WHO CREATED GOD" is stupid. If you already don't believe in God then why shake a stick at people that do? 

The big bang is provable. God isn't. Read "A Brief History of Time" by Stephen Hawking.CptJSparrow

The Big Bang is only provable by a few ways. God is provable by many. Although ways of proving God may seem Childish and illogical, that's the Church's way of proving God. The Big Bang is provable among much higher standards. That doesn't make one better than the other. 

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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof

Having Creationism infringed on Public Schools, violates this very idea because your infact putting one above the other.. EVEN IF YOU DO MULTIPLE RELIGIONS they are still going to leave out some so it will still be bias and still violate this idea no matter what. As I said earlier I am not stating Big Bang to be absolute truth.. But it does belong in SCIENCE, Creationism does not.. There has been no scientific proof on it, and it contridicts the entire idea of science it self.

So as it stands his idea is still pawned by the Constitution on how all COURTS interpret it. Thus why every chance creationism and intelligent design has been infringed on schools has been struck down every turn.

sSubZerOo

Thanks for the history lesson, Einstein, already knew everything there.

Thus making this arguement irrelevent, because the Constitution is far more important then any beliefs or ideas when it comes to how our country has been formed..

Teaching Creationism in schools violates this, end of story thus why it should not be taught in school. The Big Bang Theory should be taught because its from the science community, a study that is accepted in education not to mention uses research that is unbias with the use of multple facts. Science never tries to say so and so is fact, just that how far their understanding is going. The Big Bang probably is wrong in most areas, but thats the great part about science ITS THE EVER IMPROVING UNDERSTANDING of our enviroment, Creationism for the most part is unbending and has/will never improve.. Infact places such the vatican only recently (30 years ago) finally accepted that the earth went around the sun....

Things like a Heliocentric Solar System were accepted a while before then but just not recognized as a whole. Churches will believe it but maybe the Vatican won't. The argument isn't "irrelevent" just because you bring the Constitution into play. We're being hypothetical. We're not stupid, we know that Creationism will never reach Public Schools. What we're saying is that if either one isn't fully proven then why teach one or the other? 

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[QUOTE="helium_flash"]Because the big bang theory involves SCIENCE. Religion provides NO answers to any of the questions on how the universe was created, except how 'everything got there.'helium_flash

Ask a question to a Scientist and he'll give you "estimated" (if you will) answers. Ask a Priest and he'll tell you the story of Man. Either way, they're both telling stories that haven't been proven or disproven. Stop taking theories as fact and open your damn eyes for a change.

Shut up you conceited jerk. Now you're just BS'ing and it's so obvious. "Ask a question to a Scientist and he'll give you "estimated" (if you will) answers." WELL NO CRAP! Science involves HUGE numbers, nothing that you can just do in your head. If you ask a priest these questions, he'll just say "God made it that way." Yea, great explanation.

Scientists are able to answer many questions with more than 'estimates' (what an obscure answer). The universe IS expanding, which means that if we just turn back the clock, everything came from ONE POINT, which is where the big bang comes in. There have been many theories to how the universe was created, and the Big Bang theory has been the most accurate to what scientists have found. There are still holes in it, but as time progresses i'm sure scientists will be able to figure out those problems.

So, do you also consider every other theory to how the universe was created? Or do you just pick and choose?

Religion doesn't use ANY evidence, and doesn't provide any logic in it, just blind faith. I think YOU should open your eyes to that.

First off, how am I conceited in any way? Sorry for trying to diversify the mood a bit, I guess you're all just so damn close minded that you can't even be accepting of people who see it any other way than your own.

The universe is expanding, no doubt. Let's take a moment and combine creationism with Science. I know it's extremely contradictory but just bear with me. Let's assume God comes about and creates the Universe. He throws in a way for things to start expanding. We come into play as inhabitants of Planet Earth later on and stuff starts expanding. We make theories that the Big Bang happened and that everything's been expanding since the beginning (sigularity).

  If someone sees a basketball bouncing, did somebody make it bounce, or did it fall off the balcony from some wind? You wouldn't know unless you were there when it happened.

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The Bible has also been revised many times. I've talked with multiple Christians and Catholics who believe otherwise about the Earth's age. At the same time, they used many different methods of Time Measurement back then, so it remains uncertain.

quiglythegreat

Definitely. There is proof to an extent when it comes to the Big Bang theory, but one side can't really be stuck to. 

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof

Having Creationism infringed on Public Schools, violates this very idea because your infact putting one above the other.. EVEN IF YOU DO MULTIPLE RELIGIONS they are still going to leave out some so it will still be bias and still violate this idea no matter what. As I said earlier I am not stating Big Bang to be absolute truth.. But it does belong in SCIENCE, Creationism does not.. There has been no scientific proof on it, and it contridicts the entire idea of science it self.

So as it stands his idea is still pawned by the Constitution on how all COURTS interpret it. Thus why every chance creationism and intelligent design has been infringed on schools has been struck down every turn.

sSubZerOo

Thanks for the history lesson, Einstein, already knew everything there. 

The Big Bang Theory doesn't have to be true in order for their to not be a "creator".trix5817

...And God doesn't have to not exist for there to not be a Big Bang. 

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[QUOTE="helium_flash"]Because the big bang theory involves SCIENCE. Religion provides NO answers to any of the questions on how the universe was created, except how 'everything got there.'quiglythegreat

Ask a question to a Scientist and he'll give you "estimated" (if you will) answers. Ask a Priest and he'll tell you the story of Man. Either way, they're both telling stories that haven't been proven or disproven. Stop taking theories as fact and open your damn eyes for a change.

The Bible has also been revised many times. I've talked with multiple Christians and Catholics who believe otherwise about the Earth's age. At the same time, they used many different methods of Time Measurement back then, so it remains uncertain.