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#1 BassMan
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@Antwan3K: I was arguing before that it is good to play a lot of different games and it is OK to enjoy lesser games. This also gives you a better understanding on how to rate them regardless of genre as you have a good understanding of the quality that it is up against. A good reviewer can look past certain preferences and judge a game for its own merits and overall quality. Take Baldurs Gate 3.... I hate turn based combat and I don't really want to play the game because of that. However, I don't question that the game is exceptional and is deserving of the praise it gets. I have seen enough of the game to see why it is getting those high scores. Hellblade 2... not so much. LOL

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#2  Edited By BassMan
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@Antwan3K said:
@BassMan said:
@Antwan3K said:
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All games are competing against each other for your time and money and have an overall quality to them. You evaluate the individual elements of each game and how they come together as a package. You compare the overall quality of a game to the overall quality of other games, regardless of genre. That is why there is an overall game of the year and not just awards for each genre.

Anybody who gives Hellblade 2 a very high score, I seriously have to question their ability to evaluate games and how easily they are impressed. Not all reviewers are equal, just like not all games are created equal. I don't trust your opinion when it comes to reviewing games. Others may feel the same way about me. It is what it is.

your overall view of how games should be judged is fundamentally flawed in my opinion if you think a racing game should be rated against a platforming game in consideration for a 9/10 score.. we aren't talking about Game of the Year, this is concerning a review of a game within it's genre..

and also your ability to respect the subjective opinions of others seems to be nonexistent.. you gave the game a 6/10 and that's fine as far as i'm concerned.. it's your subjective opinion.. i give the game a 9/10 and it seems to bother you so much that you felt the need to say you can't "trust my ability to evaluate games".. sure buddy, cool story bro.

the game has a 81 metacritic so clearly you're in the minority if you think it's a 6/10.. math dictates my 9/10 is statistically closer to the metacritic than your 6/10 so objectively, you may need to reevaluate your ability to evaluate games.. so in terms of the bolded line above, i agree.. after this exchange i certainly don't truest your opinion when it comes to reviewing games..

it is what it is..

LOL, the average 'professional' reviewer is a joke. They over rate shit all the time and follow the popular narrative based on hype, financial influence, business relationships, advertiser pressures, audience pressures, etc.. The majority of them can not be trusted and are under qualified as they don't have a vast enough knowledge and experience with a lot of games. That is why you have to pick and choose your reviewers and who you can trust.

Like I said, all games compete against each other regardless of genre and they are reviewed as such. How they measure up within a genre is only part of what factors into the overall score. Look at it this way... If a genre sucks, but a certain game is the best in that genre, does that game deserve a 10 even though it still sucks? Does that game deserve to be praised the same way as a much better game in another genre? Now do you see how flawed your way of thinking is? The score has to reflect the overall quality of the game.

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#3  Edited By BassMan
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@Antwan3K said:
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Are you under the impression that God of War and Hellblade have the same goals in terms of gameplay and scope?..

Honest question...

Because they clearly don't yet you're trying to make an apples-to-apples comparison like this is Halo vs Killzone..

Beyond that, who are you to claim someone else's enjoyment of a game isn't valid?. HB2 is likely a 6/10 if you wanted a 20 hr combat focused action game with light RPG elements.. As a 7hr cinematic walking sim with light combat and light puzzles to break up the narrative, God of War would likely be a 6/10 as well.. And all of that is completely subjective so who cares?..

I guess we should compare Hellblade to Horizon or The Last of Us as well.. Those ganes have stories too.. 🙄

Yes, you should be comparing it to those games as well. If you are going to give a game high score, not only does it have to be great in its genre, but great compared to all other games.

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I gave it a 6/10 and the GS review was bang on.

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a game only needs to be rated in it's own genre.. you don't rate Madden against Minecraft and you don't rate Flight Simulator against Bayonetta.. Gran Tursimo should be reviewed as to whether or not it's a good racing game..

beyond that, ill refer you to my statement in my post above:

"if you enjoyed the original, you're likely going to enjoy the sequel.. if you were meh on the original, you're likely going to be meh on the sequel.. and if you hated the original, you're likely going to hate the sequel.. that's all perfectly fine.."

^ this seems to be the case with you and there's nothing wrong with that.. what is wrong is to imply your personal opinion/enjoyment of subjective entertainment is more valid that someone else's..

All games are competing against each other for your time and money and have an overall quality to them. You evaluate the individual elements of each game and how they come together as a package. You compare the overall quality of a game to the overall quality of other games, regardless of genre. That is why there is an overall game of the year and not just awards for each genre.

Anybody who gives Hellblade 2 a very high score, I seriously have to question their ability to evaluate games and how easily they are impressed. Not all reviewers are equal, just like not all games are created equal. I don't trust your opinion when it comes to reviewing games. Others may feel the same way about me. It is what it is.

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#4  Edited By BassMan
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@Antwan3K said:
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@BassMan: Which one? If you’re talking about the reboot I think I consider it an 8.

Yeah, the reboot as it has a similar setting and is also a cinematic experience. Wow though, you would actually rate this game better than God of War when that game is significantly better in every way except for graphics. Everybody enjoys games in different ways, but damn, I can't trust your opinion if you give HB2 a 9/10.

Are you under the impression that God of War and Hellblade have the same goals in terms of gameplay and scope?..

Honest question...

Because they clearly don't yet you're trying to make an apples-to-apples comparison like this is Halo vs Killzone..

Beyond that, who are you to claim someone else's enjoyment of a game isn't valid?. HB2 is likely a 6/10 if you wanted a 20 hr combat focused action game with light RPG elements.. As a 7hr cinematic walking sim with light combat and light puzzles to break up the narrative, God of War would likely be a 6/10 as well.. And all of that is completely subjective so who cares?..

I guess we should compare Hellblade to Horizon or The Last of Us as well.. Those ganes have stories too.. 🙄

Yes, you should be comparing it to those games as well. If you are going to give a game high score, not only does it have to be great in its genre, but great compared to all other games. Hellblade 2 is neither. A 9/10 indicates an amazing game that delivers a package with very few flaws and very little room for improvement. Hellblade 2 does not have any strengths other than the presentation (visuals, audio, animations, performances). The story was not very good, the plot was lacking, the combat is lame, many of the environments were not that interesting, very limited interactivity and exploration, puzzles were alright at best. It is just OK as a walking sim and doesn't stack up to the best games out there.

I gave it a 6/10 and the GS review was bang on. Again, I am someone who enjoys walking simulators, played the original and knew what to expect. The game just isn't very good. That doesn't mean the game sucks. I enjoyed it, but I am going to rate it properly on a 1-10 scale. The same scale I use for the thousands of games I have played, regardless of genre.

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@Archangel3371 said:

@BassMan: Which one? If you’re talking about the reboot I think I consider it an 8.

Yeah, the reboot as it has a similar setting and is also a cinematic experience. Wow though, you would actually rate this game better than God of War when that game is significantly better in every way except for graphics. Everybody enjoys games in different ways, but damn, I can't trust your opinion if you give HB2 a 9/10.

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@BassMan: Loved the presentation and graphics which were top notch. Combat was simple but quite enjoyable. Story and characters had me quite invested in them. Puzzles were simple as well but still enjoyable enough for me. Music and sound were top notch. Took me about 10 hours for the initial playthrough and getting a few things that I missed will probably get to about 12 hours total. Overall had a really good time with the game. Definitely worth the 9/10 for me.

So, if this game gets a 9/10, what does God of War get?

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@Archangel3371 said:
@Antwan3K said:

completed the game and overall, thoroughly enjoyed it..

considering i would give the original Hellblade: Senua's Sacrifice an 8/10, the sequel improved upon everything i liked about the first one:

  • the graphics: Senua's Saga has set a new benchmark for visuals.. the graphics are simply jawdropping..
  • the narrative: Hellblade 2 takes the mostly imaginary and personal journey of the original and expands it to the real world of the Northmen we've only heard about until now.. it explores how the "power/weakness" of her mental condition affects those around her in a world that very much seems to be full of actual magic/mythology..
  • the combat: the rather simple (and sometimes tedious/annoying) combat of the original has been streamlined into set-peices that are more challenging, impactful, and cinematic.. rather than feeling disjointed, the combat feels like it perfectly fits into the theatrical nature of the game and genre..
  • the puzzles: they haven't changed much overall and are on par with what was present in the original..

all that said, the original was an 8/10 for me and the sequel improved upon nearly everything that made the original a great game.. 9/10 for me..

as an aside, if you enjoyed the original, you're likely going to enjoy the sequel.. if you were meh on the original, you're likely going to be meh on the sequel.. and f you hated the original, you're likely going to hate the sequel.. that's all perfectly fine..

but anyone who loved the original (y'know, when it was a PlayStation exclusive), but somehow manages to hate the sequel (coincidentally, now that it's an Xbox exclusive) is just fanboying and is not to be taken seriously imo..

Just recently finished the game and have the same sentiments. Got a few of the hidden faces and totems to find so will playing more to get those. Thoroughly enjoyed it, excellent game. 9/10 for me as well.

Really guys? 9/10? The only real strength is the presentation. Everything else is alright at best. Not even close to a 9.

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#9  Edited By BassMan
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I am all for it as Astro's Playroom was a solid little platformer oozing with personality and charm. It was also a fantastic tribute to the history of PlayStation. An ideal pack-in game.

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#10 BassMan
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@girlusocrazy said:

Part 2 of the DF Hellblade 2 analysis is here:

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