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#1 Australianpope
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[QUOTE="Australianpope"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

That doesn't mean that I made the edit afterwards. It just means that you got the original quote, but you very well could have posted it after I made the edit. The time I edited it is clearly before you answered the question.

How can you call me an idiot when you drew the conclusion that I think all other RPGs have crap gameplay from a simple question? That kind of leap would seem to imply that there's something seriously wrong with your thinking process.

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The person with problems is you. Why would you take a statement, that was appropiate, than add on something for no real reason that takes the statement and makes it closer to an insult? For no reason? yeah, exactly. Only explanation: Trying to attack my preference. Now the post is already there, yet your still trying to justify yourself, that's THREE things proving I am correct now.

Oh, stop being silly. Nobody's trying to attack your preference. I was simply curious what kind of RPGS you think have good gameplay from that era.

What started this little sh!tstorm was this exchange:

I said:

"So what RPG of Chrono Trigger's era do you think has "good" gameplay?"

You replied:

"You hear it here first folks, all Rpgs outside of Chrono Trigger have crap gameplay in comparison. How dare I think other games have better gameplay."

That is a borderline insane way to answer that question. I never even came close to saying that other RPGs outside of Chrono Trigger have crap gameplay.

I am not trying to justify my "Why is that so difficult?" statement because I feel fully justified in saying it. Like I said, I was expressing my amazement that you could not just list some RPGs instead of crazily putting words into my mouth.

Nice job trying to cover-up the fact you edited a part of your post in as an insult. Also dodging the fact I presented at you, in which I had your original quote before you edited. You're putting your own words in your own mouth.
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After the series ended I went back to play all the great Contra games, and even some of the more 3D games, they were pretty decent unlike most gamers saying they were garbage at the time. I would say nothing said action and co-op play like Contra, i did like how later games were designed for SP in mind more, and some of the remakes were nice. My favorite is Contra Hardcorpse, masterpieces.
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Megaman, great times, many great games, many spin-offs taking the series in new directions, one of the longest running platforming series since its introdcution on the MSX. But there have been no signs of Megaman, not being Capcoms mascto for near a decade, removing him from games and using side-characters in his place, lack of games, no news, lack of any support. I think it may be over for the blue guy. Who seemed to have finally faded away in 2010 like many other great franchises, 2010 was the year of death. Will we ever see another entry in the series? Probably not, but hopefully we shall.
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Since the destruction and absorbtion of Hudson Soft, will we ever see another Bomberman game? or a relevant one anyway? not to mention other note worthy Hudson franchises. The series was starting to get back at its feet before the fall of Hudson and there has been no details sine, and 3 cancelled adventure projects, although rumor, they did announce one project. Bomberman has had many great games, and seeing him truly evolve in 8th gen systems would be great. Something Bomberman Tournament like but 3D. Without the monsters.
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[QUOTE="Australianpope"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

So what RPG of Chrono Trigger's era do you think has "good" gameplay?

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You hear it here first folks, all Rpgs outside of Chrono Trigger have crap gameplay in comparison. How dare I think other games have better gameplay.

I didn't say that. Learn to read please.

I simply asked you what RPGs of Chrono Trigger's era have good gameplay to get a frame of reference. At no point did I say RPGs outside of Chrono Trigger have crap gameplay and I would never said that because I don't believe that.

All you had to do is name some RPGs of that era that have good gameplay.

Ultima 7. Wizardry 7, Wizardry V, Lufia 2.
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All Sonic games have a linear gameplay style but there is no doubt that Unleashed, Colors, and Generations are even more linear, which keeps the controls and camera more in check. Yes, Unleashed's daytime levels did have their problems, but they are a definite improvement over the levels in the Adventure games and they laid a blueprint for the better recieved Sonic Colors and Sonic Generations.

No Sonic game is particularly complex and I doubt anybody has accused any Sonic game of being too complex. What the games are accused of doing is trying to do much poorly instead of focusing on one thing and doing it well.

I don't really see a need for a "hub" at all. What would it really contribute? If Sonic Team can't make a hub as interesting as the one in Mario 64 (and they've all ready proven they can't), they should stay away from hubs.

I don't think Sonic fans have been the problem. I think it's all on the developers. That being said, they got their heads out of their asses with Colors and Generations. If they continue to refine that formula, the franchise's future will be bright.

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The Hub they did with the Adventure games and )6 and the hub in M64 are two completely different things. they aren't trying to do that. Also, I am pretty sure its the fans. they gave the fans what they wanted several times and brought none of them or they were poorly reviewed. Also with things like saying generations and Colors are the right direction makes no sense. Colors has the same exact problems of Unleashed at day with the gimmicks of the Wisps actually not really contributing to the game like they should, they are just there and at times have very clunky controls. other than that, it has almost all the problems Sonic Unleashed Day had. Sonic Generations took games fan hated or not, and shove them in one game, with Sonic Colors controls for 3D Sonic and Sonic The hedgehog 4 Controls with slight Physic tweaks for 2D Sonic, both contained problems form those games that carried over. not to mention that there is a large amount of LACK OF CONTENT, and the fact generations might as well not even had been on a retail disc. Heck, to quote several game reviewers "All it did was show us what Sonic was and what he became" and "Reminding us of the fans causing ST to continue to brush aside new ideas to keep Sonic relevant." It's all opinion anyway, but no, i am pretty sure it;s the fans.

It makes perfect sense because those games got a decent critical reception. Returning to the Adventure style of gameplay unneccesarily complicates what seems to be a winning formula.

Also, you're not quoting several game reviewers. You're quoting two.

Using a brain, one would know that those two quotes MANY reviewers said. not just two. Also it;s not a winning formula, they used it before, and it failed, this is basically them saying we give up, the fact the games got good scores does not mean its the right direction, this happened before. Next thing you know they will release 5 games with similar gameplay and all ill get low scores for various reason because Sonic Fans. Also, ST disagrees with the bolded and continue to disagree with the bolded and will continue to ignore it. If what you said here was true they would not have done it 6 times if they thought the same. Also MC is messing with Segas heads like a lot of other companies, MC should not be used as a status bar for progress. It's why they are not continuing some of their other star franchises. Oh, and the reason for the Wii sequel to NiGHTS.