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I don't get tied to a company as much as you guys believe. I've never had a problem ditching before or swapping sides(heck I did it pretty much every single generation except the last 2) and loyalty to a manufacturer never had to do with the manufacturer, but the product they put out that met my wants or needs. I backed the product, didn't care who made it. I drive a Cadillac, my first car was a red Honda prelude, but my favorite damn car was a Kia Sorento. That was the best bang for my buck I ever got!
I bought Sony, I bought Sega, I bought EA, I bought Microsoft. No big deal to me. And I could give up missing on a few games in order to get the better deal.
And that's something Microsoft doesn't understand. In fact, them more than any other, have fewer loyal customers than the other 2. We are used to giving up things. They didn't win the hearts of gamers.
It was never about you Microsoft with most of the customers. Some people still had a bitter taste in their mouth supporting you guys, but your product was undeniably good. You guys got the gamers who mainly swapped consoles and looked for the best value. That's what you didn't understand! The least loyal customer base! We didn't have a **** "relationship"! We had a business deal Microsoft! And now that deal went bad! Your deal freaking stinks! You understand business, don't you? Sorry, it's just business! Nothing personal!
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Some of the reaction here sort of reminds me of the days, 11 years ago in these very forums, when folks would bash MS because the Xbox was to much like a PC or Xbox Live was a gimmick. People are always adverse to change, especially when it seems to come rather quickly.
I can certainly appreciate many gamers being upset about DRM for console games. It does not seem fair and as a comsumer not having the option to trade a game in as a downpayment of sorts towards a new game, kind of sucks for some. In reality you are either impacted by this or you are not. Some gamers trade their games in and others do not.
The writting has been on the wall for sometime, that the industry was heading and is heading in this direction, in regards to DRM. PC gamers were up in arms when this happened and now console gamers are up in arms. At some point, whether it was Microsoft or EA, this was going to happen.
Gamestop is an industry juggernaut, generating over a billion in revenue a year. Most of that comes from the sells of used/trade-in games. And guess what? The developers do not see a penny of that. So with rising developmental cost and loosing millions in additional revenue from used game sells, it almost seems natural that at some point this would happen.
Microsoft is not the only one ok with DRM. Sony has left the door open for third party devs and DRM for the PS4. According to Sony, it is at the discrestion of third party developers to determine whether or not games for the PS4 will have DRM. Sony only gurantee's that their first party titles will not have DRM. So this tells me two things, that even Sony has given 3rd party developers the green light on DRM, as they have left that decision in the hands of the 3rd party and two, that it should come to no surprise if we see DRM from 3rd party developers on both platforms. With rising developmental cost, and piracy it was only a matter time.
Lets fast forward to the very near future here. Cloud gaming and the elmination of discs to play games. At some point, we will be buying games and playing them directly from the cloud. Exactly how do we buy and trade-in used games via the cloud?
I am probably one of the few who see's the days of used games dwindiling. Dont kid yourself, DRM is coming to both consoles this generation.
Yeah and you know what? I wasn't one of those people. Been one of the biggest supporter. I fully support their integration. I'm 100% behind the tech. Think it's amazing. I see their vision and I think it's great.
NOT their policies. Now my eyes are fully open to the fact this is a bait and switch. All stick, no carrot. Get this now, give up your freedom. Screw that. I'll wait, I'll still eventually get all that stuff and keep my freedom!
Just because Microsoft isn't the only one with DRM doesn't make it ok. I hate it on the PC too. And even if publishers do it on Sony's console at least for the time being you can choose to buy that individual game or not. If it has high replay value, maybe I would. If it doesn't I can skip it.
You will get cloud gaming in the future. But if you get it from Microsoft you will help set a shitty precedent for it, for things that would have come at no cost. Just like what we did with Xbox Live. We set a shitty precedent for online gaming. Requiring a payment method that we all hoped would one day go away. Instead it just encouraged Sony to adopt the same.
Guess what? Online gaming is still free, as it should be, everywhere else.
It's simple. I only buy 7-8 games a generation. The rest I rent or buy used. I can't afford to buy them all, and even if I could some games I don't believe are worth $60. So even though I love their tech and I love their line-up of games, what is the point if they will limit me to just a handful of games a generation?
Would I buy games like Kinect Rivals? Nope. Would I buy games like Crimson Dragon? Maybe, maybe not. Need for Speed? Nope. Do I want to play them? Would I rent them? HELL YES! Guess what? I can't. Cause they have no plans for that. Can't afford to with the console model. I just can't. So now those games might as well not even exist as far as I'm concerned.
Microsoft effectively destroyed that and created a cumbersome system for us, a system created by them, publishers and retailers in their little meeting where they will effectively take out all the freedom we had of selling games between each other and give that ALL to retailers like GameStop.
You can have digital distribution where they can check keys for authentication but STILL give ownership to the buyer and let them re-sell it used as they see fit! They just don't WANT to do it.
I believe this is MS official policy on used games for the XBX 1.
Trade-in and resell your disc-based games: Today, some gamers choose to sell their old disc-based games back for cash and credit. We designed Xbox One so game publishers can enable you to trade in your games at participating retailers. Microsoft does not charge a platform fee to retailers, publishers, or consumers for enabling transfer of these games.
Whatever the case, I am not one to say that we set a bad precedent by paying for Xbox Live. I had the privlege of being an original beta tester for Xbox Live in 2002 and MS has practically delievered on all of their promises for Xbox Live. Beta testers, and early adapters of the Live service help build Live, through are feedback and the $50 a year subscription we paid. MS used the money we invested, to build a robust and next gen online console platform. What Microsoft did, 11 years ago was a big win win for console gaming. It allowed us to enjoy and interact in new ways never done before on a console. Was it free? No! But Microsoft was charging gamers for a SERVICE.
Sure Xbox Live could have been free, but it would have never been able to deleiver the content and features it has today. I had the experience of free with Sony and it was literally night and day. It is good to see Sony finally come around full circle with online gaming after mocking it for so many years. See, the subscription money used, helps to maintain servers and build infrastructure. Sony is going to be doing the same too. They realized that if you wanted to offer a trully compelling online community and experience, it had to be done this way.
I am 100% positive that you pay for cable TV. Have we set a bad precendent by allowing cable companies to charge us to watch Television? Television at one point in time was FREE, as it was transmitted through airwaves. However, Cable TV is a service and we pay for the variety of entertainment options it provides us. Should TV be free too than? To an extent it is still free to the consumer if we purchase an HD attena, but your experience would be limited.
No one is taking away your freedom. You have the freedom to not buy the Xbox One. Hect you have plenty of options, you can purchase a Wii U or the PS4.
Personally, I do not think that their is a right or worng answer to any of this. Either what Sony or Microsoft has to offer works for you or it does not. At the end of the day it ultimately comes down to games and which system provides you with the gaming experience you desire.
For example, the issue of not being able to trade in Xbox One games, not a big deal for me. I do not and have not traded games in the past. The "always on" online connectivity, my Xbx 360 is always hardwired into my router all the time. Not an issue for me. The Kinect, do I need it, probably not, but it is more or less an extension of the Xbox controller. Perhaps developers take full advantage of it and create even new ways to play games.
Probably the most interesting thing with all of the bickering, is that a lot of the attention has been taken away, on focusing in on the great games both platforms will be offering soon.
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