[QUOTE="AtlasBizarre"]

It's just a few days without online.

Big deal.

manhello

Or Sony could choose to say " Screw these whiny brats and suspend the free service indefinitely ".

[QUOTE="RoboDuckii"][QUOTE="ShimmerMan"] That's not how it works. Just because you bought a product of someone doesn't give you "rights" to influence their business. Lets bring it down to basics, lets pretend this is a medieval period and you go and buy a wonderfully made sword from a grand master blacksmith. What is the blacksmith selling you? A sword, and nothing else - he's not going to give you the blueprints to how it made the sword and he's not going to show you how to make it. Because that's not in his interests, he can't run a business like that. And Sony can't run a business by allowing people to do whatever they want with a product THEY designed and are trying to make a profit from.

It's their machine, it's their design - they made it and produced it. You bought with the indication that you would use it for personal commercial use via purchasing software for it. They did not make it for you to hack to **** to do whatever you want with it. It's not your intellectual property, it's Sony's.

khai411

Hindering hackers?

Now tell me. this technology being invented by companies through painstaking R&D "just for money". Without them these hackers would be hacking what? wood?

Hacking is a learning process and anyone who can do it should try it. But posting the information to the world when you know the end effect is to hurt the buttom-line of the manufacturers and the experience of other purchasers of the system is just a dangerous behaviour. Actions should be taken to dissuade such nonsense.

Remember these companies have to make some profit so you can have your PS4 in a few years. Geo Hotz will not invent a new hardware for you or will he create an API for developers to work on it.

This last post is the essence of whats going on here. I don't know about other countries but here in America we have laws protecting companies from such attacks on their business. We DO NOT have laws allowing a company to dictate what information you can post on a website you pay for or to collect privite data like IP addresses of people visiting your site and waging a corporate jihad in the name of profit. Knowing the end effect is hurting a company ? That would be speculatiion, something not punishable by law which is why we have laws preventing angry mobs from exacting their own justice as you are referring to. Technically what the guy did to the PS3 is called reverse engineering, something that has been happening for a very long time.

[QUOTE="360hammer"]

[QUOTE="H_M_1"]Good point but what he did in hacking or jailbreaking the ps3 is against Sony's rules, well against any console manufacturers rules. If you don't want to fork out money for games, don't buy it. Simple as that. What Sony therefore did was right.dk00111

So, basically your saying Sony's rules ( Terms of Service Agreement ) are law resaulting in fine or jail time ? Seriously ? If thats what people believe then let me just say I'm starting a company and creating my own terms which you commoners will abide by as law which over rule your countries own laws.

It's a fantastic idea. We'll video tape those to drink the lemonade as proof, let sometime go buy to let the number of "drinkers" to accumulate, then SUE THEM ALL. We'll be rich!!

I'm building the stand and stirring the lemonaid as you read this !!!

[QUOTE="360hammer"]

[QUOTE="H_M_1"]Good point but what he did in hacking or jailbreaking the ps3 is against Sony's rules, well against any console manufacturers rules. If you don't want to fork out money for games, don't buy it. Simple as that. What Sony therefore did was right.00Killaz00

So, basically your saying Sony's rules ( Terms of Service Agreement ) are law resaulting in fine or jail time ? Seriously ? If thats what people believe then let me just say I'm starting a company and creating my own terms which you commoners will abide by as law which over rule your countries own laws.

This generation is so self-righteous it's not even funny...

LMAO Doesn't care about corporations enforcing it's will just that someone is going to point it out.

Not once have I ever put Anonymous name into googled or into Youtube....

But now with all this happening of course I have. For this reasonI dislike Anoynymous for the simple reason that they're drawing innocent gamers into their information warfare. All this crap is just advertising for them and they're just hoping all this publicity will be a boost to their infrastructure

In a way they're even targetting kids and children, as they know there are plenty of innocent minds on the PSN with which they can subject their propaganda to. A video game console is not the place for this type of crap. A vidoe game console is for family and friends both young and old to play video games in peace! it's not a place to advertise glorified anarchist movements.

In terms of Sony Vs Anonymous

Sony are not the ones parading around broadcasting how "good and mighty they are".. and they're not acting like they are the "saviours of mankind" and they don't pretend to speak for the general populace either. Anonymous however does all of this. So I back SOny in this war, even though I don't really like Sony or any major cooperation for that matter. But I just dislike Anonymous more.

ShimmerMan

Oh my, You hate Anonymous and they are guilty of what exactly ? No one truely knows whats going on just some guessing and assumptions and you hate. Last time I checked my PS3 works just fine and at no point when turning my system on do I see the name Anonymous or anything related to an outage of the PSN service due to Anonymous. I seriously have no idea what the hell reality your in seeing propaganda being thrown through the PS3 at kids. Again all of this is pure speculation on forums throughout the internet.

Good point but what he did in hacking or jailbreaking the ps3 is against Sony's rules, well against any console manufacturers rules. If you don't want to fork out money for games, don't buy it. Simple as that. What Sony therefore did was right.H_M_1

So, basically your saying Sony's rules ( Terms of Service Agreement ) are law resaulting in fine or jail time ? Seriously ? If thats what people believe then let me just say I'm starting a company and creating my own terms which you commoners will abide by as law which over rule your countries own laws.

[QUOTE="mariokart64fan"]

sony once said and i quote: price dont matter

, and now they are proving why , you can pay for a 600 console with unreliable online services unsecure to if you ask me , ill never use my cc on psn or 360 , no thanks

sony a multimillion dollar corp who cant secure its online services its a total load of red tape for us consumer to have to go through to get our 600 dollars back isnt it ,

we pay for somthing we should be able to enjoy it but noo sony had to go and leave servers un secure ,and as a result anonomys/geohotz thinks they have the right to do what ever it is whilst affecting milions of gamers this is an outrage ,

if sony dont do somthing , obama among other presidents /kings and queens and such should step up to the plate and do somthing about it them selfs

00Killaz00

^ another self-righteous consumer lol.

No, another consumer who wants to own what he or she pays for and not be told what and how to use his or her property if operating within the laws set forth.

Like the previous analogy of a silencer and how it's against the law, thats 1 possible mod. You can (without breaking laws ) buy a gun and put a red dot sight on it, a laser sight, an extended clip etc... Kinda like how pirating games is 1 way to mod a console, there are many others such as if I'm smart enough to get my PS3 to play .mkv files directly from the hard drive or display soft subs what laws am I breaking ?

[QUOTE="360hammer"]

[QUOTE="Lamb_Jalfrezi"]

To extend your metaphor.... you could of course drive your modded truck on a private road. After all, you own it, you should be able to do what you like to it, even if that prevents you from driving it on a public highway. Personally, it makes me very annoyed when some corporate interest tells me what I can and cannot do with something that I OWN. I should be able to alter, hack and modify my own stuff, but would have no argument with Sony if they refused to let me access their networks with that device afterwards.

Essian

Finally someone who gets it. Not saying you agree with what has happened but you do understand.

@Essian

I'm sorry if my analogies bother you but it seems to be the only way to get people to think about the situation. I will stay to the point with you so please tell me what gives Sony the right to sue someone for sharing info on a website ? Is the guy selling equiptment required to attack Sony's pockets ? The guy was simply displaying information and if he can be sued for that then what sort of things do you think will follow ? What gives Sony the right to aquire information on the people who visited the site ? What gives Sony the right to collect that personal information on people simply visiting a web site ? Why not just legally have the site shut down ? I'll tell you why, because Sony thought they could single handidly police the internet as they saw fit and the corruptions in the courts allowed this.

@ Mondrath

Your post is kinda like saying I was robbed by a purple person and all purple people are robbers, get it ?

As for those CC companies, you ever wonder why there arent simple measures in place to prevent such fraud ? How about a photo ID on the CC and for all internet transactions a waiting period for approval ? You know when someone went shopping on my CC info there were pending transactions and even though they were fraudulent and the products still had not been shipped there was no way to cancel those pending transactions. Why ? Because those banks and CC companies have no preventitive measures in place to stop them. I simply had to wait for them to clear then file papers.

I think you are the one who doesn't get it.

1. You failed to answer any of my direct questions when I abided by your rant against analogies.

2. Breaking laws is breaking laws. There are no laws that state I cannot modify my PS3 to run homebrew software nor distribute information on how to do so. Does it violate Sony's Terms of Service ? It sure does but that just means they can terminate my access to their services it DOES NOT mean I am breaking laws.

3. If you mod a console and pirate software or games you ARE breaking laws and should be punished accordingly by law enforcement not a corporation.

4. You fail to realize just because 1 guy wants to pirate games doesn't mean everyone does. If that were the case you would have nonsense like a brunette committed murder so no one is allowed to be brunette because they will commit murder. Being able to do something and doing it are 2 completely different things. Some hackers attacked PSN and now all hackers are basement dwelling slobs who need to be punished right ? Such small minded nonsense.

No one commits a crime for purely altruistic reasons. And anyone who understands the REAL concepts of anarchy knows that what's being done here (by whomever it is doing it) is not doing it to make anyone free. The same as all the people in California, etc. are fighting for medical marijuana, not for sick people, but to end laws they find oppressive to their desires for intoxication... But it sure makes for a nice clean platform to speak from.

Fighting for consumers who by-and-large don't feel or perceive any oppression is ridiculous, un-asked-for, and there-for misguided. No one is being forced to buy Sony products, we make a choice. This isn't "The Matrix", we don't need to be "awakened". We don't want our console to "do everything", we just want to enjoy what little time we have unchained from the wheel called Life, and we have found a little of that in playing PS3 games.

These hackers (whether they are involved in the Sony problems or not) could be using their considerable skills to affect REAL change for people around the planet who don't have an option to exchange thoughts and ideas freely, as we are all doing, right now. There are some REAL Big-Bads out there who DO need to be challenged, Sony just isn't one of them... No matter what they (Sony) do, we as a community enter into an agreement, we accept & understand these conditions, and they in no way hamper our true freedom... There are plenty of people around the globe who have no choice about the very real oppressions they live under, and they're fighting for their lives (as well as their family's).

They need help, not us.

Guy Fawkes fought for freedom from governmental tyranny, not a corporation that offers a service... He also failed and was hanged publicly. You can read about him HERE (LINKY). We're not oppressed as Sony users, we can cut & run anytime we like. Artists and writers in China and North Korea (just to name a few) need this sort of revolutionary assistance, not us gamers.

MonkeySpot

While I do find your post interesting, I however do not see anything about how a corporation has the right to sue someone for providing information on a web site ( thus telling an individual what he or she can display on their website ) nor the ability to aquire private information like IP addresses on all those who visited the site. This should be the main concern with everyone unless you think it's ok for a corporation to decide those types of things for individuals outside your countries own laws. I for one do not accept this. It in no way means I condone the shutdown of PSN due to attacks on the service. The whole medical marijuana thing is absurd. I knew a guy in college who had to have bone marrow transplant and was advised by his doctor to use marijuana to help his appetite. Like it or not there are medical benifits to marijuana and like anything else in life there will always be people with their own agenda and those who will abuse a good thing.

[QUOTE="Essian"] for all we know, members of anon have posted here already. It's not one person, not by a long shot.corigan

Sure does.